Pacquiao vs Marquez to be held at catchweight 143-145lbs

People were calling for this fight to be held at catchweight and they have been calling for this fight.

But now that it looks like it will happen at the catchweight people were calling for, will the boxing public be happy?

http://www.boxingscene.com/sources-pacquiao-marquez-held-catch-weight--38989

Sources in Mexico are reporting that a third meeting between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez will likely have a catch-weight in place. Three weeks ago Marquez received an offer to face Pacquiao in a fall trilogy meeting. Marquez had a problem with some of the itemized terms that were listed in the offer. Pacquiao's promoter, Top Rank, is going to issue a new offer to Marquez on Monday. The revised offer will include several changes in areas that bothered Marquez. The catch-weight, reportedly, is going to fall between 143-145-pounds. Pacquiao has weighed between 144-145 for his last four welterweight ring appearances. Marquez has weighed between 133.5-134 for his last two lightweight title defenses. The fight could take place on November 5 or 12 in Las Vegas

What do you make of this news.

Should be a great fight.

Will the diamond belt be on the line if its 145?

Don't think it makes any difference, but would have prefered it to be at 140 so people would have less ammo.

Scottrf wrote:Don't think it makes any difference, but would have prefered it to be at 140 so people would have less ammo.

I think if Arum could get a vacant title to be on the line it could be there, but I agree with you it makes little difference.

Scottrf wrote:Don't think it makes any difference, but would have prefered it to be at 140 so people would have less ammo.

Pretty much agree with that, bang on. Light-Welterweight would have been my ideal choice for this fight if it happens, especially as I would have thought that Pacquiao can still make 140 lb. That said, he'll still be attracting some staunch criticism from some quarters for taking on an opponent who's much closer to forty than thirty.

Same here, would love to see the fight go ahead to put some closure on it, great fight. Won't expect Marquez to be as negative as Shane was on Saturday.

If he was cramping up in the Mosley fight then maybe he can't make 140...

1. It's one last payday for Juan

2. I'll wait for a better source than this guy....before believing this fight will happen.

marquez weighed in at 142 against mayweather and looked horrible.

140 would be ideal - even for manny who could make it no bother.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If he was cramping up in the Mosley fight then maybe he can't make 140...

1. It's one last payday for Juan

2. I'll wait for a better source than this guy....before believing this fight will happen.

Remember who told you first about Maidana vs Khan, but you doubted that as well.

We also remember who told us that there was no way that Mayweather would take on Mosley as he was a ducker, then low and behold the fight got made!

JMM should weigh in at a weight he is comfortable with. If that is 137 then so be it. Skill wins out when its all said and done. Pac should win this fight as JMM has slipped backwards. His fight with Kats proved that.

It will attract criticism purely based on the weight limit and the fact that people are aware that JMM did not carry 142 well. But another fight for the Top Rank World Welterweight title.

Gents, this thread has just started. try and keep it on topic and not personal or goading.

azania wrote:JMM should weigh in at a weight he is comfortable with. If that is 137 then so be it. Skill wins out when its all said and done. Pac should win this fight as JMM has slipped backwards. His fight with Kats proved that.

It will attract criticism purely based on the weight limit and the fact that people are aware that JMM did not carry 142 well. But another fight for the Top Rank World Welterweight title.

Great win against Kats, Marquez is one of the great fighters of our time, a pure boxer.

Fightnews.com are saying Marquez has turned the fight down...

Mr Bounce wrote:Fightnews.com are saying Marquez has turned the fight down...

For what reason.

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:JMM should weigh in at a weight he is comfortable with. If that is 137 then so be it. Skill wins out when its all said and done. Pac should win this fight as JMM has slipped backwards. His fight with Kats proved that.

It will attract criticism purely based on the weight limit and the fact that people are aware that JMM did not carry 142 well. But another fight for the Top Rank World Welterweight title.

Great win against Kats, Marquez is one of the great fighters of our time, a pure boxer.

JMM looked as though he lacked snap in that fight. Kats (love the bloke) is a face first plodder made for JMM. That he made hard work of it tells me he is slipping. Plus the weight of 143-145 is ridiculous. JMM cannot carry that and be effective.

If this fight goes ahead (at that weight) it will be another asterix against Manny. It should have happened at least 5 years ago.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Mr Bounce wrote:Fightnews.com are saying Marquez has turned the fight down...

For what reason.

Just the rumour mill at the moment: I quote

"Word is Juan Manuel Marquez has rejected Top Rank’s initial offer to face Manny Pacquiao in November."

Mr Bounce wrote:Fightnews.com are saying Marquez has turned the fight down...

Ah well

Not good.

Who now for Pac then?

Mr Bounce wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Mr Bounce wrote:Fightnews.com are saying Marquez has turned the fight down...

For what reason.

Just the rumour mill at the moment: I quote

"Word is Juan Manuel Marquez has rejected Top Rank’s initial offer to face Manny Pacquiao in November."

It may be financial. I think Marquez should get 5 million, if he is asking more than that he might not want the fight anymore.

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:JMM should weigh in at a weight he is comfortable with. If that is 137 then so be it. Skill wins out when its all said and done. Pac should win this fight as JMM has slipped backwards. His fight with Kats proved that.

It will attract criticism purely based on the weight limit and the fact that people are aware that JMM did not carry 142 well. But another fight for the Top Rank World Welterweight title.

Great win against Kats, Marquez is one of the great fighters of our time, a pure boxer.

JMM looked as though he lacked snap in that fight. Kats (love the bloke) is a face first plodder made for JMM. That he made hard work of it tells me he is slipping. Plus the weight of 143-145 is ridiculous. JMM cannot carry that and be effective.

If this fight goes ahead (at that weight) it will be another asterix against Manny. It should have happened at least 5 years ago.

He was 145lbs in the ring against Kats, so he can carry it fine, it just means he won't have to dehydrate himself and cut for the fight.

If Manny is on 20....I should doubt Juan will take 5..

Doubt he would turn down $5m, would be almost double his biggest payday.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If Manny is on 20....I should doubt Juan will take 5..

It is double his biggest ever pay day, he should take it.

prettyboykev wrote:Who now for Pac then?

C'mon guys...WBo title? At WW? Easy defence?

Manny vs Kell Brook!

Quoted one 606v2 poster, "Kell is likely to be the most dangeous fighter Manny has ever faced, Hard hitting and unbeaten, Kell is looking to cement his legacy with a win over the p4p king."

Said Brook, "A cart way, a reelly cart way fu vis fart. Arl knock im art in farv rarnds!"

A pointless catchweight as they all are, Manny can make 140ibs easily and 140ibs means both have to either drop or go up just a division making it more even.

I'm not too fussed though as you expect some kind of stipulation with a Manny fight.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If Manny is on 20....I should doubt Juan will take 5..

Don't see why not $5m would be double his biggest payday. Manny is the big star and sells 1m PPVs guaranteed Marquez can't do that.

Juan's last fight....He'll want a bigger share of the pot...

After all he's beaten the guy twice..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Juan's last fight....He'll want a bigger share of the pot...

After all he's beaten the guy twice..

Well he can have 20% or $25 million or 100% of $0. I know which one I would choose.

Manny is running out of genuine Name opposition.....If not Marquez then who????

Good position for Marquez to be in......

Certainly a 4-1 split will be viewed as unfair on a bonafide great...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Manny is running out of genuine Name opposition.....If not Marquez then who????

Good position for Marquez to be in......

Certainly a 4-1 split will be viewed as unfair on a bonafide great...

What was the split with Mayweather vs Marquez again?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Manny is running out of genuine Name opposition.....If not Marquez then who????

Good position for Marquez to be in......

Certainly a 4-1 split will be viewed as unfair on a bonafide great...

Mosley took a 4-1 split in guarantee.

Mosley was coming off a heavy loss.....He was grateful for a last payday..

Marquez has OPTIONS........

D4thincarnation wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Manny is running out of genuine Name opposition.....If not Marquez then who????

Good position for Marquez to be in......

Certainly a 4-1 split will be viewed as unfair on a bonafide great...

What was the split with Mayweather vs Marquez again?

But Floyd IS the face of Boxing, he can do whatever he wants.

He was coming off a draw and is a bigger name than Marquez, but fair enough.

Guess seeing as how competitive he has been with Manny and his form he's entitled to try his luck.

What's Floyd got to do with Manny-Marquez 3........Every negotiation is different..

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Manny is running out of genuine Name opposition.....If not Marquez then who????

Good position for Marquez to be in......

Certainly a 4-1 split will be viewed as unfair on a bonafide great...

What was the split with Mayweather vs Marquez again?

But Floyd IS the face of Boxing, he can do whatever he wants.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvwpfh5TXV1qzcshlo1_500.jpg

I though he was the face of KFC

Personally I would have preferred 140lb, but a catchweight of any kind is better than Marquez being asked to commit to full 147. I think 144 would be reasonable, and I imagine Marquez will have learned hus lesson from the pbf fight and won't try to bulk up. If he can come in around 139 he won't be grossly outweighed in the ring as pacquiao is only likely to have an in ring weight of about 148.

This is a good fight and a much tastier prospect than the mosley farce. Of course in a perfect world it wouldve happened at 135 in '08 but things have moved on since then. I wonder if JMM will have a tune up first? If it happens in the autumn it'll be a year since his bout with katsidas.

Anyway this will be one to look toward to, a catchweight is as fair as can be expected, Marquez is smaller but has the style to cause manny problems - his only problem is staying on his feet as he's vulnerable to flash kd's which cost him the win in their first fight. He's proven he can win rounds against pacquiao and should be a good stylistic challenge for manny who has only faced physical challenges in his last 3 fights and didn't look to hot against mosley.

JMM would be comfortable around 140 - as d4 says it just means he won't have to cut weight and rehydrate to make the LW limit - that's fair enough and I don't think that will diminish his fighting capacity. Manny should come down to 140 (which would not be difficult for him) and make it a real LWW fight. The thing is, he probably won't do that. He'll make it at 145 pounds, which essentially means that he can come in at his perfect fighting weight while JMM comes in 5 pounds lighter at 140 (knowing that there's no point in JMM trying to bulk up like he did for the FMJ fight).

4 or 5 pounds is not a huge deal and JMM is a decent fight to take, but this is just another small asterisk that you can place next to Manny's record.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Personally I would have preferred 140lb, but a catchweight of any kind is better than Marquez being asked to commit to full 147. I think 144 would be reasonable, and I imagine Marquez will have learned hus lesson from the pbf fight and won't try to bulk up. If he can come in around 139 he won't be grossly outweighed in the ring as pacquiao is only likely to have an in ring weight of about 148.

This is a good fight and a much tastier prospect than the mosley farce. Of course in a perfect world it wouldve happened at 135 in '08 but things have moved on since then. I wonder if JMM will have a tune up first? If it happens in the autumn it'll be a year since his bout with katsidas.

Anyway this will be one to look toward to, a catchweight is as fair as can be expected, Marquez is smaller but has the style to cause manny problems - his only problem is staying on his feet as he's vulnerable to flash kd's which cost him the win in their first fight. He's proven he can win rounds against pacquiao and should be a good stylistic challenge for manny who has only faced physical challenges in his last 3 fights and didn't look to hot against mosley.

There is still talk of Judah vs Marquez in July

marquez can't win anyway...I mean if he loses one round and gets stiffed what chance does he have this time....

Juan wants to hold out for a big payday...it'll be his last...

Manny by decision.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:marquez can't win anyway...I mean if he loses one round and gets stiffed what chance does he have this time....

Juan wants to hold out for a big payday...it'll be his last...

Manny by decision.

Pacquiao by KO maybe around the 7th round.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:I wonder if JMM will have a tune up first? If it happens in the autumn it'll be a year since his bout with katsidas

He was on boxingscene.com the other day talking about a tuneup fight with David Diaz! Fair enough, get yourself sharp, but I never realised Diaz was still boxing! Probably just another boxingscene rumour mind.

Question to D4:

JMM weighed 142lbs for the FMJ fight and looked terrible, utterly terrible. Slow, no snap to the punches and thoroughly out of shape.

In his previous and subsequent fight he's come into the ring hydrated to 142-145 or so, yet looked in great shape, had decent speed and more than decent pop in his punches.

Why do you think that is?

I'll get my answer in - because hydrating is to a certain weight is one thing (and if you weighed him post fight what do you think he'd then weigh?), carrying 8lbs of extra muscle is a completely different thing and severely hampered him.

It is NOT rocket science.

Can't wait for your answer, no ducking now.

Boxtthis wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:I wonder if JMM will have a tune up first? If it happens in the autumn it'll be a year since his bout with katsidas

He was on boxingscene.com the other day talking about a tuneup fight with David Diaz! Fair enough, get yourself sharp, but I never realised Diaz was still boxing! Probably just another boxingscene rumour mind.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=12222&cat=boxer

Needs an opponent for July 2nd

Then will fight Pacquiao in November.

Would be good to see him take on someone at 140lbs in the summer.

I like Coxy...there is something endearing about the ETERNAL OPTIMIST!

What Mayweather did to Marquez is irrelevant.

Mayweather gave Marquez a rubbish cut in terms of pay and Manny will be just as ruthless with him.

Difference is Mayweather will admit and couldn't care less whereas Manny will be just as much of an a-hole about whilst still preaching all his goodness of heart and if criticism gets too much he'll pass the blame on his advisors.

Marquez should be earning at least what Mosley got and more because it is a bigger fight, has added history and whilst Marquez is getting on now i.e. why Manny will finally fight him again, he is no where near as reduced in ability as Mosley so more competitive.

coxy0001 wrote:Question to D4:

JMM weighed 142lbs for the FMJ fight and looked terrible, utterly terrible. Slow, no snap to the punches and thoroughly out of shape.

In his previous and subsequent fight he's come into the ring hydrated to 142-145 or so, yet looked in great shape, had decent speed and more than decent pop in his punches.

Why do you think that is?

I'll get my answer in - because hydrating is to a certain weight is one thing (and if you weighed him post fight what do you think he'd then weigh?), carrying 8lbs of extra muscle is a completely different thing and severely hampered him.

It is NOT rocket science.

Can't wait for your answer, no ducking now.

Pacquiao weighed in at 148lbs on fight night at LM, Marquez 145 vs Katsidis at LW. Not a massive difference.

Pacquiao weighed in at 148lbs on fight night at LM, Marquez 145 vs Katsidis at LW. Not a massive difference.

Did you read what i wrote Scott?

Christ

It's one thing to rehydrate 10lbs. It's another to carry 8lbs of extra muscle mass.

My evidence is Marquez @ 142 looked s**t. Manny looks great @ 145. Marquez looks great at 135.

Yes he rehydrates up. But the difference between that and carrying 8lbs more muscle mass is like chalk and cheese. Lack of speed, almost podggy look = the fmj fight.

Please read in future, ta very mooch