Pacquiao vs Marquez to be held at catchweight 143-145lbs

First topic message reminder :

People were calling for this fight to be held at catchweight and they have been calling for this fight.

But now that it looks like it will happen at the catchweight people were calling for, will the boxing public be happy?

http://www.boxingscene.com/sources-pacquiao-marquez-held-catch-weight--38989

Sources in Mexico are reporting that a third meeting between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez will likely have a catch-weight in place. Three weeks ago Marquez received an offer to face Pacquiao in a fall trilogy meeting. Marquez had a problem with some of the itemized terms that were listed in the offer. Pacquiao's promoter, Top Rank, is going to issue a new offer to Marquez on Monday. The revised offer will include several changes in areas that bothered Marquez. The catch-weight, reportedly, is going to fall between 143-145-pounds. Pacquiao has weighed between 144-145 for his last four welterweight ring appearances. Marquez has weighed between 133.5-134 for his last two lightweight title defenses. The fight could take place on November 5 or 12 in Las Vegas

What do you make of this news.

Should be a great fight.

coxy0001 wrote:

Because he put this weight on quickly it was moslty liquids, and fat, now he has a fews year to get used to it, it is more muscle.

Stop talking nonsense

He has only ever weighed 135lbs bang on once, he weighed 133.5lbs for the 2nd Diaz fight RIGHT AFTER FMJ.

Got proof that him putting on weight was fluids? Because you haven't. You're MAKING STUFF UP in order to pathetically back your point up.

AND YOURE STILL DUCKING THE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did Marquez come in "bulked up" for the FMJ fight @ 142 and rehydrated to his usual weight of 145 (or so)??????? YOU CLAIM he's the same size as he is when weighing 145 after weighing 135 on the scales...... SO WHY DID HE TRY AND BULK UP ON PURPOSE DURING TRAINING IF HE WASNT ANY BIGGER WEIGHING 142 AS OPPOSED TO 135?!?!?!!?!??!


ANSWER THE SODDING QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His flabby mid section.

Fellas, just a reminder.

The swear filter is there to prevent obscenities, not for you lot to have fun trying to beat it so that I have to go round editing posts.

Do me a favour, will you, please ?

Any proof then D4? I'm waiting, still actually waiting for a respone on the Martinez which you ran away from pretty quickly

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:
Because he put this weight on quickly it was moslty liquids, and fat, now he has a fews year to get used to it, it is more muscle.

Well, we don't really know that, do we ?

Marquez said so himself after the fight, that he was rushed to put the weight on and he need a couple for fights to get used to the weight.

It was clear from the sight of him that he was carrying too much fat and liquid.

The Mighty Atom wrote:Any proof then D4? I'm waiting, still actually waiting for a respone on the Martinez which you ran away from pretty quickly

Look at the video clip.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:
Because he put this weight on quickly it was moslty liquids, and fat, now he has a fews year to get used to it, it is more muscle.

Well, we don't really know that, do we ?

Marquez said so himself after the fight, that he was rushed to put the weight on and he need a couple for fights to get used to the weight.

It was clear from the sight of him that he was carrying too much fat and liquid.

I mean that we don't know if it's different now.

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Any proof then D4? I'm waiting, still actually waiting for a respone on the Martinez which you ran away from pretty quickly

Look at the video clip.

Any actual proof though?

The Mighty Atom wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Any proof then D4? I'm waiting, still actually waiting for a respone on the Martinez which you ran away from pretty quickly

Look at the video clip.

Any actual proof though?

Use your eyes what do you see?

Who do you think is bigger and by how much?

Stop ducking the question!!!!

You claim they're the same size, they're not. Because otherwise Marquez wouldn't have bulked up to 142 if his "size" was exactly the same at 135 rehydrated now wouldn't it!!!

And apologies Windy. As usual we're having to deal with a poster who gets torn to shreds and refuses to answer questions because it proves him wrong. I still maintain that the poster in question be removed due to his refusal to debate and acknowledge other points in an objective manner.

So guesswork is proof nowadays then?

It's clear through logic and common sense if he bulked up for the Mayweather fight he would have been bigger than usual on fight night. Otherwise he hasn't bulked up.

But this discussion has already been had.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:
Because he put this weight on quickly it was moslty liquids, and fat, now he has a fews year to get used to it, it is more muscle.

Well, we don't really know that, do we ?

Marquez said so himself after the fight, that he was rushed to put the weight on and he need a couple for fights to get used to the weight.

It was clear from the sight of him that he was carrying too much fat and liquid.

I mean that we don't know if it's different now.

Before the Mayweather fight his ring weight was around 141lbs.

Now it is 145lbs, so he has put only 4lbs in natural size.

You can see from the Katsidis fight he is more cut, not love handles like he had when facing Mayweather.

May be missing something in this one but if Marquez does not feel he can operate efficiently at a catch weight of 144 does he not have the option of turning the fight down?

coxy0001 wrote:Stop ducking the question!!!!

You claim they're the same size, they're not. Because otherwise Marquez wouldn't have bulked up to 142 if his "size" was exactly the same at 135 rehydrated now wouldn't it!!!

And apologies Windy. As usual we're having to deal with a poster who gets torn to shreds and refuses to answer questions because it proves him wrong. I still maintain that the poster in question be removed due to his refusal to debate and acknowledge other points in an objective manner.

What is the question, I really not sure what your point is.

Maquez was in great shape for Katsidis and he was 145lbs, thats what matters.

What is the question, I really not sure what your point is.

I've already made this clear before.

Marquez weighs 135 and rehydrates/carb loads to 145.

You then claim based on ring weight he's the same size as Manny.

(And i'm going on what Hatton's ring weight was at 140 and 147 - because he still only went to 152-154lb on fight night))

Question: Why did Marquez bulk up 7lbs prior to FMJ and rehydrated to 145lbs, if he was no different in size from originally weighing 135lbs and then stuffing himself full of food and fluids? Surely his ring weight is all that matters in terms of size (according to you) - so why bulk up?!?!?!?!!?!?

They're not the same size. Evidence is above. I'm not going through this again

After years of crying for a rematch and the fans saying Pacquiao needs to fight him im now preparing for the afterthoughts when Pacquiao wins, of why did he fight him at a weight suited him, but when Marquez fought Mayweather at WW in a freakshow which was what i knew it was nobody whinged. Pacquiao will destroy him on a landslide with a few knockdowns, different league, Marquez isnt great, Pacquiao is.

Marquez isnt great, Pacquiao is

Bit harsh there bud, never said Marquez wasn't great. Just old and showing big signs of being past it - would he have been put down by Kats say 2 years ago? Doubtful.

Still an easy shoe-in for the HoF in my eyes and one of the greats from the last 10 years.

coxy0001 wrote:Question: Why did Marquez bulk up 7lbs prior to FMJ and rehydrated to 145lbs

We don't have his rehydration weight, if you had proof he only went back to 145 for the Mayweather fight I would concede.

We don't have his rehydration weight, if you had proof he only went back to 145 for the Mayweather fight I would concede.

Based on what he weighs come fight night in all his LW fights. Yes it's a figure put there based on a bit of approximation, which i don't deny.

Interesting point from Hatton when he weighed 147 rather than 140, doesn't mention hydration even though his ring weights would be the same (he always aimed to hit 10st12 in the ring - 152lb btw in boxing speak):

"The key is to increase the protein and make the muscles more tone and to look fuller; that is the key really. I will work on getting my weight to 10 stone 7 but I've got to try and look as lean at that weight as I do at 10 stone, only his time I will have much more muscle."

So Hatton weighs the same in the ring, but only adds X even though he's naturally much bigger @ 147. Same applies here - he is bigger @ 147 than he is at 140 even though he weighs the same in the ring at the respective weights. I can't spell it out any more than that. MP vs JMM = size mismatch, not so bad but when you consider JMM got dropped by Katsidis you do have to wonder what MAnny does to him.

Thank you and goodnight folks, i'm here all week. It's been emotional

I provided a counter argument based on Berto-Ortiz but no desire to go back into this.

Steven_89 wrote:After years of crying for a rematch and the fans saying Pacquiao needs to fight him im now preparing for the afterthoughts when Pacquiao wins, of why did he fight him at a weight suited him, but when Marquez fought Mayweather at WW in a freakshow which was what i knew it was nobody whinged. Pacquiao will destroy him on a landslide with a few knockdowns, different league, Marquez isnt great, Pacquiao is.

Trust me, plenty of people whinged. Mostly the same ones who are whinging about Pacquiao doing the same, only with one notable exception...