Ulster v Edinburgh

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:Morning Ulster fans - anyone fancy setting up a match thread for your game with us? Your home game so only fair!

Plus I can't be bothered...

That's what you call dialing in a post. Good effort

Enjoy!

Good job I was typing this out when the said post appeared!



Ulster vs Edinburgh

Date : 22 November 2013

Kick Off : 19:05

Venue : Ravenhill Stadium, Belfast

Ulster

TBC

Edinburgh

TBC

Cut a long story short Edinburgh will be short of some guys on Scotland duty and Ulster I'm sure will be short too.

We'll still have a pretty formidable pack, and thats including Ford, Denton, Dickinson and Dozer on international. Who knows maybe McInally will step into the hooker berth for the first time? Watch out for du Preez, he looks to be a really handy player.

Any comment on what the Ulster guys will be putting out?

No real sense of who will play although Payne, Afoa and Williams should all be available. we are woefully short at 10 with our first 4 choices unavailable

Well we are woefully short of Wingers, without Visser (crocked) or Tonks (who might still play a part in the Oz game) we'll have to resort to Walker, Jones and Cuthbert.

Worse when we look at the centre where Scott is injured. Fair to say we'll be a bit depleted in the backs.

Well this isn't going to win thread of the year for sure, but the sentiment is appreciated!

I suspect the Edinburgh team will be something like:

Blaauw, Lutui, Nel, VDV, Cox, Leonardi, Rennie   , Du Preez, Kennedy, Leonard, Cuthbert, Atiga, Dominguez, Fife, Tonks

Basically all the foreign signings we’ve made over the past couple of seasons!

We're depleted in the backs too.

Probable/possible team

Black-Herring-Afoa
Henderson-Stevenson
Diack-Williams-Doyle
Marshall-McKinney*
Farrell-Payne
Allen-McIlwaine-Gilroy

*Pretty worried about this halfback combo.

Also not sure about Gilroy and Henderson REALLY hope we get them back on the park.

 

RDW_Scotland wrote:Well this isn't going to win thread of the year for sure, but the sentiment is appreciated!

Maybe, maybe not but at least I didn't come out with this :

RDW_Scotland wrote: I can't be bothered...

I was referring to Jen's thread (i.e. this one), not the one you would have written!

Standulstermen wrote:No real sense of who will play although Payne, Afoa and Williams should all be available. we are woefully short at 10 with our first 4 choices unavailable

4? Jackson, Olding, Pienaer and ???

geoff998rugby wrote:

Standulstermen wrote:No real sense of who will play although Payne, Afoa and Williams should all be available. we are woefully short at 10 with our first 4 choices unavailable

4? Jackson, Olding, Pienaer and ???

David Humphreys..... 

I'd still say Paddy Wallace might be a better 10 than McKinney. I hope he proves me wrong, so wrong.

Wallace was exactly who I was thinking of notch. I have no doubt given how poor McKinney has been Paddy would have played 10 before him

Standulstermen wrote:Wallace was exactly who I was thinking of notch. I have no doubt given how poor McKinney has been Paddy would have played 10 before him

Is that even questionable? We know theres a dramatic difference between Wallace at 12 than at 10, but he would still be considered a pretty solid Rabo Level 10. Mckinney still has to convince me he shouldn't be in the AIL.

Luke Marshall is a better 10 than Paddy Wallace.

When were all these games that McKinney has been so poor in? When Pienaar first joined, he had a few dodgy games, so everyone deserves a fair run before they're thrown on the scrapheap.

Being reported that Payne is out but we may have Henderson, cave, Trimble and Gilroy available

The Great Aukster wrote:Luke Marshall is a better 10 than Paddy Wallace.

When were all these games that McKinney has been so poor in? When Pienaar first joined, he had a few dodgy games, so everyone deserves a fair run before they're thrown on the scrapheap.

He does but he did himself no favours when he was told to play a AIB game and he threw his toys out the pram because he was too big for such a game.
Needed and hopefully got a big kick up the arse

Paddy Wallace good call - unless McKinney wises up he will indeed be 5th choice

So the backs now look like

Marshall, McKinney, Allen, Farrell, Cave, Trimble, Gilroy

Bench: Shananhan, McIlwaine + ????

Not too shabby 11 to 15
McKinney is the key - fingers crossed

By default I think our backup 10 will be S McCloskey

He is a centre in the Academy but was cover 10 against the Pirates - I also understand he is in the squad for the Edinburgh game

Payne is out?! FFS.

Burgh team announced at lunch time methinks.

Edinburgh team:

Tonks
Fife
Dominguez
Atiga
Cuthbert
Leonard
Hidalgo-Clyne

Blaauw
Lutui
Nel
Atkins
VDV
Leonardi
Grant
Du Preez

Subs - Hilterbrand, Hislop, Cross, Toolis, Rennie, Hart, Beard, Brown

Luke Marshall released back to the squad which is a slap in the face for him I think especially if D'Arcy starts on Sunday

(15-9): C Gilroy, A Trimble, D Cave, L Marshall, M Allen, J McKinney, P Marshall; (1-8): C Black, R Herring, J Afoa, L Stevenson, I Henderson, R Diack (Captain), S Doyle, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, R Lutton, D Tuohy, R Wilson, I Porter, P Nelson, R Andrew.

marty2086 wrote:Luke Marshall released back to the squad which is a slap in the face for him I think especially if D'Arcy starts on Sunday

Who else would start at 12?

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Luke Marshall released back to the squad which is a slap in the face for him I think especially if D'Arcy starts on Sunday

Who else would start at 12?

McFadden?

Good to see Big Ian (Iain?) back.

The packs look pretty even but Ulster definitely have it in the backs. That is a big, physical Edinburgh pack though.

From an Edinburgh POV it is good to see Rennie involved (he's not got injured again in the last 2 weeks) and Grayson Hart finally making an appearance having been injured since he signed.

Not a bad Edinburgh team, but lots of new faces in there - need to see if they can gel.

marty2086 wrote:

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Luke Marshall released back to the squad which is a slap in the face for him I think especially if D'Arcy starts on Sunday

Who else would start at 12?

McFadden?

Out til January with a broken finger

Anyway. He is a winger now, barring emergency/cover.

He has also never played 12 internationally and not for a good while in Leinster.

Well, having Luke back certainly helps us in fairness. Marshall and Cave pair up in center. Back three of trimble allen and Gilroy.

Serious forwards bench for ulster. Joe has had a shocker dropping Marshall but I'm delighted we will see him at ravenhill. Henderson and Gilroy back too. Excellent

Cave, Trimble, Marshall, Wilson and Tuohy all released to Ulster.

Remember to thank uncle Joe. Looks like we will get f all of our 19 players back on that basis.

RDW_Scotland wrote:The packs look pretty even but Ulster definitely have it in the backs.  That is a big, physical Edinburgh pack though.

I'm delighted with the Ulster backline- although I'm gutted for Luke Marshall- but bear in mind that Marshall, Cave and Trimble will maybe only have one short session if that with the rest of the team before the game due to Ireland duty.

The good news- two centres released to Ulster probably means BOD is going to be fit for Sunday!
The bad news- Luke Marshall and Dan Tuohy deserve to be playing in a different game this weekend.
The very good news- that centre partnership is better than we could have possibly hoped for.

We also have good impact players on the bench.

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:Cave, Trimble, Marshall, Wilson and Tuohy all released to Ulster.

Remember to thank uncle Joe. Looks like we will get f all of our 19 players back on that basis.

Thank you Uncle Joe. Tom Court too  

Leinster resources stretched thin with games against New Zealand AND Treviso. What Ulster players are left in the Ireland camp? Just four- Jackson, Bowe, Best, Fitzpatrick

Edinburgh Rugby team to play Ulster in the RaboDirect PRO12 at Ravenhill tomorrow night (kick-off 7.05pm)

15 Greig Tonks
14 Dougie Fife
13 Joaquin Dominguez
12 Ben Atiga
11 Jack Cuthber
10 Harry Leonard
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne

1 Wicus Blaauw
2 Aleki Lutui
3 WP Nel
4 Ollie Atkins
5 Izak van der Westhuizen
6 Tomas Leonardi
7 Roddy Grant CAPTAIN
8 Cornell Du Preez

Substitutes

16 James Hilterbrand
17 Robin Hislop
18 Geoff Cross
19 Ben Toolis
20 Ross Rennie
21 Grayson Hart
22 Sam Beard
23 Tom Brown

Notch wrote:

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:Cave, Trimble, Marshall, Wilson and Tuohy all released to Ulster.

Remember to thank uncle Joe. Looks like we will get f all of our 19 players back on that basis.

Thank you Uncle Joe. Tom Court too  

Leinster resources stretched thin with games against New Zealand AND Treviso. What Ulster players are left in the Ireland camp? Just four- Jackson, Bowe, Best, Fitzpatrick

+ Tommy Court.

I'd say the 4 you have named will be in the 23 though. Not 100% on Jackson.

Notch wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:The packs look pretty even but Ulster definitely have it in the backs.  That is a big, physical Edinburgh pack though.

I'm delighted with the Ulster backline- although I'm gutted for Luke Marshall- but bear in mind that Marshall, Cave and Trimble will maybe only have one short session if that with the rest of the team before the game due to Ireland duty.

The good news- two centres released to Ulster probably means BOD is going to be fit for Sunday!
The bad news- Luke Marshall and Dan Tuohy deserve to be playing in a different game this weekend.
The very good news- that centre partnership is better than we could have possibly hoped for.

We also have good impact players on the bench.

They may wrap D'Arcy up in cotton wool before Sunday if he gets injured Ireland are , well more than they already are

Hopefully we have some guys back in with a massive point to prove about not getting selected for Ireland. How well we do is probably related to how our returning internationals.

If I was Angry Andy Trimble I'd be out to smash everything that moves, for instance. But not having Payne available is a big blow.

Sorry. missed tom Court on the bench. All good.

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:Cave, Trimble, Marshall, Wilson and Tuohy all released to Ulster.

Remember to thank uncle Joe. Looks like we will get f all of our 19 players back on that basis.

Aye but sure our first teamers are only really equal to your second teamers - so its no real advantage really...

Didn' t except Tuohy or Marshall to be honest. Delighted for Ulster, very disappointed in Schmidt.

We have a serious forwards bench and McKinney apart a good set of backs.

Porter recovered from injury is a bonus as well.

Marshall is also a big plus if McKinney gets injured that was perhaps the biggest worry of the lot

I am now confident

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:

Notch wrote:

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:Cave, Trimble, Marshall, Wilson and Tuohy all released to Ulster.

Remember to thank uncle Joe. Looks like we will get f all of our 19 players back on that basis.

Thank you Uncle Joe. Tom Court too  

Leinster resources stretched thin with games against New Zealand AND Treviso. What Ulster players are left in the Ireland camp? Just four- Jackson, Bowe, Best, Fitzpatrick

+ Tommy Court.

I'd say the 4 you have named will be in the 23 though. Not 100% on Jackson.

Tom Court is on the bench for Ulster! Ah I see you caught that- nevermind!

Big congrats to Robbie for being skipper been as good as anybody this year (and the back end of last)

Thinking about McKinney all we have to do it get Marshall to pass to Marshall and ignore McKinney .

Sure Luke can tell the other lads how its done he got plenty of practise in that move last week  

And suddenly we have a team whereby I'd be severely disappointed if we lost.

C Gilroy, A Trimble, D Cave, L Marshall, M Allen, J McKinney, P Marshall; (1-8): C Black, R Herring, J Afoa, L Stevenson, I Henderson, R Diack (Captain), S Doyle, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, R Lutton, D Tuohy, R Wilson, I Porter, P Nelson, R Andrew

Yeah I've gone from having a small amount of confidence in an Edinburgh win to no confidence at all - shame on all the Ulster players to not be involved with Ireland but really fecks up our chances!

As I said though our pack should at least hold its own - as long as they don't give the ball to the backs we'll be fine!

This is much better than we'd hoped. I am indeed a happy man now and not dreading a balck friday. Ireland's loss is our gain.
Well done Robbie Diack on captaincy too.

SUFTCAB!!!!

On the more negative note, has uncle Joe dropped the ball badly on this one? I bet you he's gunning for his native side hence sending out the pensioners to play them. Heck I bet he'll even start Toner again just to make it even easier for the ABs.

McKinney just needs to do the basics well. Pass the ball well, stand in the right places, kick well from hand and at goal. Anything else is a bonus.

I've been disappointed to hear him written off because before he came back he was a player who could and would do exactly that and did in some cameo appearances for the first team- he has the ability.

I think we should all reserve judgment on Ireland team selections until at least the Six Nations.

I'm pretty gutted for Tuohy, Trimble and Luke Marshall but I'm still 100% behind the coaches and the players selected. I still think that the longer Schmidt is in the role the more players from other provinces will get the nod in 50/50 calls as the Leinster lads headstart in terms of systems and tactics becomes less relevant and the others catch up.

Notch as I posted above it was his poor attitude that has brought his status into question not his ability.

The lad has shot himself in the foot - big chance to change peoples perceptions.

Same for Doyle although in his case his attitude is fine but his performances in AIB have not been great. Seems to lift himself when he plays with the big boys though

Notch wrote:I think we should all reserve judgment on Ireland team selections until at least the Six Nations.

I'm pretty gutted for Tuohy, Trimble and Luke Marshall but I'm still 100% behind the coaches and the players selected. I still think that the longer Schmidt is in the role the more players from other provinces will get the nod in 50/50 calls as the Leinster lads headstart in terms of systems and tactics becomes less relevant and the others catch up.

That is my attitude as well but if I see Ross 3, Toner 5, D'Arcy 12, BOD 13 I am afraid that's it I had enough