What can we do about ISIS ???

seanmichaels wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Ruskies have been pushing their luck for a long while though, and this was always the risk of unco-ordinated airstrikes being launched.

Hopefully it's sensibly resolved - I think Russia has already offered an 'out' to Turkey by suggesting it was a sufface-to-air missle (i.e. terrorist fire) that brought the plane down.

Turkey has been part of the effort to support ISIS, Russia along with Iran supports Assad who Turkey along with Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US, UK, and France want out.

but Hell is big enough for all.

I'm rolling thunder pouring rain
I'm coming on like a hurricane
My lightning's flashing across the sky
You're only young but you're gonna die
I won't take no prisoners won't spare no lives
Nobody's putting up a fight
I got my bell I'm gonna take you to hell
I'm gonna get ya satan get ya

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You learn something new everyday...............

Apparently even though we were struggling to get out of the great depression we deliberately let Japan have a chance at destroying most of our pacific fleet so we could get into the war....

Yep the President who was so agonized over the poverty of us his fellow men and brought in the the 3 R's (new deal)..... was happy to see good honest family men destroyed at Pearl harbor....

Just like Bush was behind the twin towers.....

Yep us American boys are savages.....Everything is our fault..

Like I said we had intel confirmed by the British that the Japs were eyeing up Hawaii...We just didn't think they would have the audacity or balls to carry it out..

TopHat24/7 wrote:Ruskies have been pushing their luck for a long while though, and this was always the risk of unco-ordinated airstrikes being launched.

Hopefully it's sensibly resolved - I think Russia has already offered an 'out' to Turkey by suggesting it was a sufface-to-air missle (i.e. terrorist fire) that brought the plane down.

Derbymanc wrote:We have all played apart in this whole mess to be honest 1/2, for the nations involved to constantly go on about understanding other cultures etc, we haven't done a great job understanding how things work differently.

Still no idea what to do, although am starting to think we should just let them get on with it as anything we do is gonna be twisted into a recruiting tool

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

Derbymanc wrote:We have all played apart in this whole mess to be honest 1/2, for the nations involved to constantly go on about understanding other cultures etc, we haven't done a great job understanding how things work differently.

Still no idea what to do, although am starting to think we should just let them get on with it as anything we do is gonna be twisted into a recruiting tool

I say we all keep our humanity. Black, White, Asian, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddist, rich, poor, and not let those who have an interest in this whole game of war try to appeal to the worst part of ourselves because war means money for them.

Lets not be fooled. Our media is scum.

This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey.

Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists.

Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe.

We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.

Pr4wn wrote:As is your opinion, particularly as you haven't actually bloody read it.

seanmichaels wrote:Bit overly leftie for me.

seanmichaels wrote:I make Putin spot on with these comments:

This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey.

Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists.

Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe.

We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.

seanmichaels wrote:Just seen a video of the 'friendly' rebels gathered round the dead pilot. Savages.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Ever noticed how the ring leaders never seem willing to give their lives up for Allah ??

navyblueshorts wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:Just seen a video of the 'friendly' rebels gathered round the dead pilot. Savages.

Hardly an issue is it? They didn't even shoot them down. Not that dissimilar to the 'savages' in the U.K., for example, wanting to rubberneck at some mass pileup on the other carriageway of a motorway. Or even those taking photos/video of the aftermath of the recent Paris attacks.

Attacks on parachutists, in term of the law of war, is when pilots, aircrews, and/or passengers are attacked while descending by parachutes from disabled aircraft during times of war. This practice is considered by most militaries around the world to be inhumane, barbaric, and unchivalrous, that it is unnecessary killing (i.e., they would eventually become prisoners of war if parachuted over enemy territory), that it is contrary to fair play, and that military pilots have to be held to a higher standard. Attacking persons parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions. However, it is not prohibited under this Protocol to open fire on airborne troops who are descending by parachutes, even if their aircraft is in distress.

Pr4wn wrote:From what I understand, after a Turkish jet was shot down over Syria a couple of years ago, Turkey agreed - along with NATO - that its sovereign airspace would stretch five KM or miles, can't remember which, into Syria. This is obviously bull turd of the highest order.

It appears that this Russian jet, which crashed 4km into Syria was in this "zone" and was shot down.

In my opinion, Turkey is just taking advantage of its position as a NATO member to further its own interests, fighting the PKK.

seanmichaels wrote:

Attacks on parachutists, in term of the law of war, is when pilots, aircrews, and/or passengers are attacked while descending by parachutes from disabled aircraft during times of war. This practice is considered by most militaries around the world to be inhumane, barbaric, and unchivalrous, that it is unnecessary killing (i.e., they would eventually become prisoners of war if parachuted over enemy territory), that it is contrary to fair play, and that military pilots have to be held to a higher standard. Attacking persons parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions. However, it is not prohibited under this Protocol to open fire on airborne troops who are descending by parachutes, even if their aircraft is in distress.

seanmichaels wrote:Just seen a video of the 'friendly' rebels gathered round the dead pilot. Savages.

kingraf wrote:Yep Putin is gonna smoke these Turks

Pr4wn wrote:So you think that shooting down a Russian jet is a justified response, even if there was an encroachment?

Putin is obviously no saint but Erdogan is a despot.

I'm not saying the exact location of the jet was BS, apologies for being unclear, I'm saying that Turkey extending its airspace via NATO into another sovereign nation is BS. It's ridiculous.

Pr4wn wrote:Sorry, who says it was the Turks that executed the pilots? I thought that was unverified at this time. The plane crashed in Syria.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Shooting the plane down is one thing but executing the airmen after they ejected is something completely different; Turkey seem to think they can do what they want because they have American backing.

Duty281 wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:Just seen a video of the 'friendly' rebels gathered round the dead pilot. Savages.

Bunch of fanatics following a very depraved religion.

kingraf wrote:Yep Putin is gonna smoke these Turks

navyblueshorts wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Shooting the plane down is one thing but executing the airmen after they ejected is something completely different; Turkey seem to think they can do what they want because they have American backing.

Huh????? What responsibility does Turkey have for the actions of the Syrian Turkmen??? They aren't beholden to the Turkish government at all.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Shooting the plane down is one thing but executing the airmen after they ejected is something completely different; Turkey seem to think they can do what they want because they have American backing.