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Post by No9 on Sat 13 Apr 2019, 1:03 pm

First topic message reminder :

Well we are nearing the end of the normal season and going into the knock out stages, and thanks to Premier Sports I can know say with confidence that my earlier prediction has materialised and the day has killed the Pro14.

They promised 1 game on FreeSports every week. Well unless you follow Zebre or the Kings you’ve not had that game. The Ospreys have not had one game shown on FreeSports. As for free to air coverage on S4C that has also been hit or miss, with them banning the red button English cometary, and again covering games with little interest.

So , since the conception of the league, this is the first season I’ve not been able to follow with interest. No (little) live coverage of games, no magazine show I’ve been able to watch to keep up with the league. I’ve managed to get to minimum Ospreys home games this season, due to family commitments. Basically, only rugby I’ve been able to follow has been the 6 Nations.

Thanks, Pro14, you played a stormer selling out. Enjoy the cash injection it brought, as it won’t last...

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:13 pm

miaow wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
miaow wrote:Ok, good to know. And no, I don't want to answer. Cheers!

Because it will highlight how much cr@p you talk and how little you grasp about what the league were trying to do

Figured as much


Not at all. Bending to the manipulative questions of people like you and 7.5 isn't in my nature. 7.5 is disingenous and the questions you're asking aren't really leading anywhere. Obviously I don't want the Pro14 to fail - you can clearly read I've written I like it and, at times, it's worked well. But it needs serious improvement.

I come in for so much stick on this site but, honestly, a lot of you just need to grow up and stop living for a reaction.

Erm

How is it manipulative to ask why you are attacking a press release hyping the benefits PS have seen from acquiring the rights?

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:14 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
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Relative to the Irish sides they cannot win .

Laugh Laugh  It gets better.

Of course they don't compare to Irish sides. The budgets of the Irish sides are far bigger.

Why do you think the Irish sides are better? Let me guess, it's because they are "arsed?

Laugh  Laugh  Laugh

If the budgets are bigger in the same competition with the exact same opportunities for revenue then that is down to the inadequacies of Welsh rugby. Similar fan base and player populations same opportunities very different outcomes.

Welsh club rugby needs self reflection rather than conspiracy theories and whinging.


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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:18 pm

Manipulating the conversation in to dead ends. Like this one. I'm done replying to you marty.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:20 pm

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If the budgets are bigger in the same competition with the exact same opportunities for revenue then that is down to the inadequacies of Welsh rugby. Similar fan base and player populations same opportunities very different outcomes.
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Yes, you're dead right. There are number of factors why the budgets are bigger. And there are certainly inadequate decisions and people involved in Welsh rugby.

The opportunities aren't the same though, you're wrong on that. Newport won't ever get the same crowds as Dublin for instance.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:22 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:

If the budgets are bigger in the same competition with the exact same opportunities for revenue then that is down to the inadequacies of Welsh rugby. Similar fan base and player populations same opportunities very different outcomes.
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Yes, you're dead right. There are number of factors why the budgets are bigger. And there are certainly inadequate decisions and people involved in Welsh rugby.

The opportunities aren't the same though, you're wrong on that. Newport won't ever get the same crowds as Dublin for instance.

Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:25 pm

I often wonder why some people actually think that a few posters post about the faults of the pro14.

What is the reasoning behind posting that the pro14 is killing the welsh clubs, has awful officials, crappy kick off times etc etc

Why are these posters not bigging up the league their teams are in? Do people think we are just really bored or something, and have nothing better to do? If we are fed up of other teams doing better than the collective Welsh 4 teams...then why don't we complain similarly about the Heineken Cup? Which we've never even won?

Ask yourself that.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:26 pm

miaow wrote:Manipulating the conversation in to dead ends. Like this one. I'm done replying to you marty.

Yahoo

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:27 pm

I'm sorry but this is a forum for debate. If people don't agree or need clarification people can ask questions. People will generally answer politely.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:28 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:

Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

Yes. Irish rugby is managed in a way that suits all 4. Irish rugby owns all 4 pro teams, and does what it likes with them. It's entirely corrupt. Irish rugby could give Connacht Leinster's wage budget next season. Think on how utterly maniupualtive and wrong that is.

Ulster got no quality backs? No problem, have a few of Leinster's (how many Ulsterman start for Ulster these days and how many Leisntermen?)

Connacht got a few boys too good for them? No problem - ship 'em off to Leisnter, they're short of one or two.

Utterly corrupt. No sport in the world should have teams manipulating playing squads like that.

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:30 pm

miaow wrote:Manipulating the conversation in to dead ends. Like this one. I'm done replying to you marty.

You were the one attacked what I had posted, when it was pointed out the benefits of the Pro14s approach you suddenly didn't want to talk about it? Erm

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:31 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:

Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

Yes. Irish rugby is managed in a way that suits all 4. Irish rugby owns all 4 pro teams, and does what it likes with them. It's entirely corrupt. Irish rugby could give Connacht Leinster's wage budget next season. Think on how utterly maniupualtive and wrong that is.

Ulster got no quality backs? No problem, have a few of Leinster's (how many Ulsterman start for Ulster these days and how many Leisntermen?)

Connacht got a few boys too good for them? No problem - ship 'em off to Leisnter, they're short of one or two.

Utterly corrupt. No sport in the world should have teams manipulating playing squads like that.

Yet more lies from this guy, really should have a fake news button on here

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 2:35 pm

Why is the Pro 14 dead?

Q/Fs of the champs cup had 5 Pro 14 teams in it. 2 in the semi. 1 in the final.

Last year's winner of the champs cup are from the Pro 14

The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:11 pm

tigertattie wrote:

The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

How are their 4 teams doing in the league and europe?

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:12 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:

Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

Yes. Irish rugby is managed in a way that suits all 4. Irish rugby owns all 4 pro teams, and does what it likes with them. It's entirely corrupt. Irish rugby could give Connacht Leinster's wage budget next season. Think on how utterly maniupualtive and wrong that is.

Ulster got no quality backs? No problem, have a few of Leinster's (how many Ulsterman start for Ulster these days and how many Leisntermen?)

Connacht got a few boys too good for them? No problem - ship 'em off to Leisnter, they're short of one or two.

Utterly corrupt. No sport in the world should have teams manipulating playing squads like that.

Lol, there is nothing corrupt about it. Its called being sensible.

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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:14 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

1. Make country a tax haven.

What's next?

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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:15 pm

tigertattie wrote:The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

Nice to think that, but not true. Faletau, Francis, Adams, Biggar. Sure there's a few more.

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:17 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
tigertattie wrote:

The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

How are their 4 teams doing in the league and europe?

Well one are the reigning Challenge Cup champions so better than most

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:20 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:

Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

Yes. Irish rugby is managed in a way that suits all 4. Irish rugby owns all 4 pro teams, and does what it likes with them. It's entirely corrupt. Irish rugby could give Connacht Leinster's wage budget next season. Think on how utterly maniupualtive and wrong that is.

Ulster got no quality backs? No problem, have a few of Leinster's (how many Ulsterman start for Ulster these days and how many Leisntermen?)

Connacht got a few boys too good for them? No problem - ship 'em off to Leisnter, they're short of one or two.

Utterly corrupt. No sport in the world should have teams manipulating playing squads like that.

Lol, there is nothing corrupt about it. Its called being sensible.

It would be fine. If all the teams were allowed to have this luxury. But it's not.

Imagine if Manchester Utd, Man City, Liverpool and Everton were suddenly owned by Richard Branson, and he started sharing out their players, allocating resources and finances between them as he saw fit.

You think the rest of the league would be happy with that?

Utterly corrupt.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:21 pm

miaow wrote:
tigertattie wrote:The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

Nice to think that, but not true. Faletau, Francis, Adams, Biggar. Sure there's a few more.

Products of the pro14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9muK2M36c&feature=youtu.be

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:21 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
miaow wrote:
tigertattie wrote:The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

Nice to think that, but not true. Faletau, Francis, Adams, Biggar. Sure there's a few more.

Products of the pro14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9muK2M36c&feature=youtu.be

Is Tomas Francis a product of the Pro 14?

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:21 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
tigertattie wrote:

The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

How are their 4 teams doing in the league and europe?

It's not the league's fault if the Welsh clubs struggle. What that shows is that the league is competitive and has some really strong teams in it. It's up to the Welsh clubs to get up to the higher level of the other clubs.

PS, I know that there is an exemption to some Welsh players being allowed to play "abroad" if they have over 50 caps.

My point is that if a country can win the 6 nations with players where 75% of them are plying thier trade in the Pro 14, then surely that shwos the league is good for the highest level of players?
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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:23 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:

Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

Yes. Irish rugby is managed in a way that suits all 4. Irish rugby owns all 4 pro teams, and does what it likes with them. It's entirely corrupt. Irish rugby could give Connacht Leinster's wage budget next season. Think on how utterly maniupualtive and wrong that is.

Ulster got no quality backs? No problem, have a few of Leinster's (how many Ulsterman start for Ulster these days and how many Leisntermen?)

Connacht got a few boys too good for them? No problem - ship 'em off to Leisnter, they're short of one or two.

Utterly corrupt. No sport in the world should have teams manipulating playing squads like that.

Lol, there is nothing corrupt about it. Its called being sensible.

It would be fine. If all the teams were allowed to have this luxury. But it's not.

Imagine if Manchester Utd, Man City, Liverpool and Everton were suddenly owned by Richard Branson, and he started sharing out their players, allocating resources and finances between them as he saw fit.

You think the rest of the league would be happy with that?

Utterly corrupt.

Of course all teams can. Welsh rugby is entitled to set themselves however they wish. Incompetence and pining over the English leagues tends to get in the way.


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Post by marty2086 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:23 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:

Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

Yes. Irish rugby is managed in a way that suits all 4. Irish rugby owns all 4 pro teams, and does what it likes with them. It's entirely corrupt. Irish rugby could give Connacht Leinster's wage budget next season. Think on how utterly maniupualtive and wrong that is.

Ulster got no quality backs? No problem, have a few of Leinster's (how many Ulsterman start for Ulster these days and how many Leisntermen?)

Connacht got a few boys too good for them? No problem - ship 'em off to Leisnter, they're short of one or two.

Utterly corrupt. No sport in the world should have teams manipulating playing squads like that.

Lol, there is nothing corrupt about it. Its called being sensible.

It would be fine. If all the teams were allowed to have this luxury. But it's not.

Imagine if Manchester Utd, Man City, Liverpool and Everton were suddenly owned by Richard Branson, and he started sharing out their players, allocating resources and finances between them as he saw fit.

You think the rest of the league would be happy with that?

Utterly corrupt.

Again with the lies and bullsh!t conspiracy theories

The IRFU have moved NO ONE!

The only one they hold any blame for is Carbery as they applied pressure to Leinster to lose either Byrne or Carbery, they picked Byrne and Carbery moved to Munster as the IRFU wanted him at Ulster

Anyone with half a brain knows that

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:25 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:

Of course all teams can. Welsh rugby is entitled to set themselves however they wish.


No it's not.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:25 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
miaow wrote:
tigertattie wrote:The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

Nice to think that, but not true. Faletau, Francis, Adams, Biggar. Sure there's a few more.

Products of the pro14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9muK2M36c&feature=youtu.be

Is Tomas Francis a product of the Pro 14?

I didn't say they all were. Plus I think Adams has signed for Cardiff.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:26 pm

tigertattie wrote:

My point is that if a country can win the 6 nations with players where 75% of them are plying thier trade in the Pro 14, then surely that shwos the league is good for the highest level of players?

Why do you place such a huge correlation on it? When the teams are doing so poorly in that league?


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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:27 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:I often wonder why some people actually think that a few posters post about the faults of the pro14.

What is the reasoning behind posting that the pro14 is killing the welsh clubs, has awful officials, crappy kick off times etc etc

Why are these posters not bigging up the league their teams are in? Do people think we are just really bored or something, and have nothing better to do? If we are fed up of other teams doing better than the collective Welsh 4 teams...then why don't we complain similarly about the Heineken Cup? Which we've never even won?

Ask yourself that.
I've already answered that... You aren't actually a Scarlets fan from what I can see anyway.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:28 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:I often wonder why some people actually think that a few posters post about the faults of the pro14.

What is the reasoning behind posting that the pro14 is killing the welsh clubs, has awful officials, crappy kick off times etc etc

Why are these posters not bigging up the league their teams are in? Do people think we are just really bored or something, and have nothing better to do? If we are fed up of other teams doing better than the collective Welsh 4 teams...then why don't we complain similarly about the Heineken Cup? Which we've never even won?

Ask yourself that.
I've already answered that... You aren't actually a Scarlets fan from what I can see anyway.

You're not a Leinster fan from what I can see.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:32 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:

Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

Yes. Irish rugby is managed in a way that suits all 4. Irish rugby owns all 4 pro teams, and does what it likes with them. It's entirely corrupt. Irish rugby could give Connacht Leinster's wage budget next season. Think on how utterly maniupualtive and wrong that is.

Ulster got no quality backs? No problem, have a few of Leinster's (how many Ulsterman start for Ulster these days and how many Leisntermen?)

Connacht got a few boys too good for them? No problem - ship 'em off to Leisnter, they're short of one or two.

Utterly corrupt. No sport in the world should have teams manipulating playing squads like that.

Lol, there is nothing corrupt about it. Its called being sensible.

It would be fine. If all the teams were allowed to have this luxury. But it's not.

Imagine if Manchester Utd, Man City, Liverpool and Everton were suddenly owned by Richard Branson, and he started sharing out their players, allocating resources and finances between them as he saw fit.

You think the rest of the league would be happy with that?

Utterly corrupt.
This does happen in football but not quite in the same way. The likes of Bayern, Juventus, Celtic and PSG buy up the best talent in their respective leagues and usually for pretty cheap too as the players put pressure on their clubs to sell. We're lucky to have quite a competitive league.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:33 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
This does happen in football but not quite in the same way. The likes of Bayern, Juventus, Celtic and PSG buy up the best talent in their respective leagues and usually for pretty cheap too as the players put pressure on their clubs to sell. We're lucky to have quite a competitive league.

Teams in the league aren't owned by the same people. The closest it's come is the red bull fiasco.

Union ownership of clubs is corrupt. Deep down you know it.

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Post by Irish Londoner on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:34 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:It's all we have left - the hope of one again joining the English. Our natural rivals. The pro14 is killing us. Probably a pipe dream - but I'm just answering the question.

The English are Wales's natural rivals? Do you know anything about Irish history ? Very Happy

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:35 pm

Irish Londoner wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:It's all we have left - the hope of one again joining the English. Our natural rivals. The pro14 is killing us. Probably a pipe dream - but I'm just answering the question.

The English are Wales's natural rivals? Do you know anything about Irish history ? Very Happy

What has Irish history got to do with who Wales's main rivals are? Odd post.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:36 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:I often wonder why some people actually think that a few posters post about the faults of the pro14.

What is the reasoning behind posting that the pro14 is killing the welsh clubs, has awful officials, crappy kick off times etc etc

Why are these posters not bigging up the league their teams are in? Do people think we are just really bored or something, and have nothing better to do? If we are fed up of other teams doing better than the collective Welsh 4 teams...then why don't we complain similarly about the Heineken Cup? Which we've never even won?

Ask yourself that.
I've already answered that... You aren't actually a Scarlets fan from what I can see anyway.

You're not a Leinster fan from what I can see.
Except for the fact I have actually posted on match threads, transfer rumours etc in regards to Leinster on here in the past like a normal fan unlike you.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:39 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
This does happen in football but not quite in the same way. The likes of Bayern, Juventus, Celtic and PSG buy up the best talent in their respective leagues and usually for pretty cheap too as the players put pressure on their clubs to sell. We're lucky to have quite a competitive league.

Teams in the league aren't owned by the same people. The closest it's come is the red bull fiasco.

Union ownership of clubs is corrupt. Deep down you know it.
Corrupt in what way? I don't see a difference in a player moving to a team within the same union or moving abroad. If the player wants to move he'll move end of story. Leinster can't keep everyone here.

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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:40 pm

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miaow wrote:
tigertattie wrote:The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

Nice to think that, but not true. Faletau, Francis, Adams, Biggar. Sure there's a few more.

Products of the pro14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9muK2M36c&feature=youtu.be

Wrong. Products of their clubs, and then their regions. Francis, of course, has never played in Wales.

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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:41 pm

tigertattie wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
tigertattie wrote:

The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

How are their 4 teams doing in the league and europe?

It's not the league's fault if the Welsh clubs struggle. What that shows is that the league is competitive and has some really strong teams in it. It's up to the Welsh clubs to get up to the higher level of the other clubs.

PS, I know that there is an exemption to some Welsh players being allowed to play "abroad" if they have over 50 caps.

My point is that if a country can win the 6 nations with players where 75% of them are plying thier trade in the Pro 14, then surely that shwos the league is good for the highest level of players?


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2. A small group of world class players
3. Warren Gatland
4. A slightly larger group of very, very good players
5. Warren Gatland
6. The regions aren't particularly competitive but allow favourable circumstances around player release to join up with Wales and...
7. Warren Gatland

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:42 pm

miaow wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
miaow wrote:
tigertattie wrote:The current 6 nations champs are a country where their players all play in the pro 14

Nice to think that, but not true. Faletau, Francis, Adams, Biggar. Sure there's a few more.

Products of the pro14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9muK2M36c&feature=youtu.be

Wrong. Products of their clubs, and then their regions. Francis, of course, has never played in Wales.

picard Oh dear.

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:46 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
This does happen in football but not quite in the same way. The likes of Bayern, Juventus, Celtic and PSG buy up the best talent in their respective leagues and usually for pretty cheap too as the players put pressure on their clubs to sell. We're lucky to have quite a competitive league.

Teams in the league aren't owned by the same people. The closest it's come is the red bull fiasco.

Union ownership of clubs is corrupt. Deep down you know it.

Really? Maybe you should read up on the likes of Watford/Granada/Udinese or Hearts/Kaunas but why would you when you can keep making stuff up

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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:46 pm

Yeah, it is oh dear. The suggestion that somehow the Pro14 is 'producing' Welsh talent. Ridiculous statement other than the obvious fact it's the highest club level league Welsh clubs play in. ECC is obviously a much higher standard and the Scarlets' recent success there surely aided Wales in their improvement post-Lions.

The notion that Pro14 is responsible for Wales' success at international level - yet apparent underachievement at domestic level - is a weird kind of warped logic I'd like to see you explain Collapse. The REGIONS have made Wales successful, as has the release agreements and everything else that has gone on between the regions and WRU. The Pro14 - certainly since it became the Pro14 - has not.

Oh dear...

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:48 pm

Sorry the Scarlets nor any other Welsh side have hade any success in the ECC. Stop making up stories.

The Pro14 is all you have got.


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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:49 pm

Also feels like this needs repeating as we're dragging over the same issues again. Wales has problems with rugby. The Pro14 is a bit of a mess (not dead). Those are two distinct, but not totally separate, things.

There are Welsh-specific problems for the regions/Welsh rugby in general: history and culture, wealth within the gen. population, desire and engagement from youth levels etc. That impacts on attendance. There's the issues with ownership, the likes of Cuddy and Peter Thomas being priced out of the game and no-one willing to step in (because it's a money-drainer). Obviously Union v Club issues...all sorts of things Wales needs to sort out. Some Welsh people will blame these problems on anything and everything - including the Irish. So be it, think most people are able to take them/that opinion with a fistful of salt.

But then there are genuine issues with the league. Shocking refereeing. Irish-favouring refereeing (different, if conjoined, issues). TMO work is arbitrary/outright biased sometimes, or sometimes non-existent (this was certainly the case last season, hopefully an end to this is one good thing to come from the TV contracts, but I'm not sure?). The 'flabby' nature of the league. The alienating conference system. The lack of stability: the league structure has changed dramatically every few years for the last decade, and we're surely facing another one soon. The travel to Italy/SA - not just for fans. It's an expensive thing for the clubs to do: the smaller clubs get hit harder here (so the Italians suffer the most!). The general lack of jeopardy for Dragons and Zebre to sort themselves out - by extension, the huge discrepancy between one of the top 3 club teams in the world, arguably the best, and the worst teams in the league. Playing during international windows. TV dictating a change in traditional scheduling. I could go on and on but we've covered this territory.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:50 pm

Whinge whinge whinge.

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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:51 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Sorry the Scarlets nor any other Welsh side have hade any success in the ECC. Stop making up stories.

The Pro14 is all you have got.

Relative success. A semi-final run that included knocking out Toulon - all of which helped certain talented Scarlets players translate that experience on to the 6Ns (and no doubt beating SA and Oz as well, which they've done since).

You bitter, bitter individual.

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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:52 pm

As for Rugbyfan not posting about the Scarlets, we'v mostly all left and gone to ScarletFever to talk about the region. Because this site was full of trolls like mikey who loved coming on the threads, bending over, and projectile gushing their filth all over it.

Guess what - it ruins the forum. Certain posters should take the hint...

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Post by BamBam on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:53 pm

miaow wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

1. Make country a tax haven.

What's next?
0. Start with making it a country, rather than a leech on the London taxpayer  thumbsup

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:53 pm

Lol, making 1 final and losing it in 25 years is not success. Welsh teams have been a total flop in the ECC.

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Post by miaow on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:54 pm

Hahaha. Definitely too many Bams to the head.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:54 pm

BamBam wrote:
miaow wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

1. Make country a tax haven.

What's next?
0. Start with making it a country, rather than a leech on the London taxpayer  thumbsup

You seem nice.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 3:55 pm

BamBam wrote:
miaow wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Connacht don't either but Irish rugby is managed in a why that ensures that each side is for the most part competitive and self sufficient. Connacht are now able to compete on occasion with Leinster. That's down to Welsh rugby to figure out and so far they haven't been able to do so.

1. Make country a tax haven.

What's next?
0. Start with making it a country, rather than a leech on the London taxpayer  thumbsup

Haha. Also Ireland is not by any metrics a tax haven. It charges tax and is fully transparent around its tax laws. Wrong again.

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