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Post by ShankyCricket Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 22:07

At the moment, I'd go with

Craig Kieswetter(wk)
Luke Wright
Ben Stokes
Eoin Morgan
Jonny Bairstow
Jos Buttler
Samit Patel
Stuart Broad(c)
Graeme Swann
Danny Briggs/Steven Finn
Jade Dernbach


Steven Finn/Danny Briggs
Stuart Meaker
Ravi Bopara
Chris Nash


I will write a blog about England's limited overs sides and will explain more in detail there.

Thoughts?

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Post by hodge Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 22:12

No need for Patel imo, Briggs should be in the squad too so he's a good enough 2nd spinner if required. and there are better batting options than Patel too.

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Post by ShankyCricket Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 22:18

Maybe.
Your squad?

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Post by gboycottnut Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 22:26

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:At the moment, I'd go with

Craig Kieswetter(wk)
Luke Wright
Ben Stokes
Eoin Morgan
Jonny Bairstow
Jos Buttler
Samit Patel
Stuart Broad(c)
Graeme Swann
Danny Briggs/Steven Finn
Jade Dernbach
Steven Finn/Danny Briggs
Stuart Meaker
Ravi Bopara
Chris Nash


I will write a blog about England's limited overs sides and will explain more in detail there.

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Not enough South Africans in there. Stephen Moore, Nick Compton, Michael Lumb and Dawid Malan should also be considered.

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Post by Shelsey93 Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 22:44

In no particular order:

Stuart Broad (c)
Craig Kieswetter (wk)
Ian Bell
Ravi Bopara
Eoin Morgan
Jos Buttler
Jonny Bairstow
Alex Hales/ Ben Stokes/ Chris Nash
James Anderson
Steven Finn
Jade Dernbach
Tim Bresnan
Graeme Swann
Samit Patel
James Tredwell

From the last World T20 we are almost certainly missing Lumb (poor form), Shahzad (poor form), KP (retired), Collingwood (poor form) and Sidebottom (retired). Yardy and Tredwell haven't featured that often but are both, in my opinion, worthy of consideration.

We need an opening pair and with KP in the side I'd have gone with KP/Bell. I think Bell is a classy enough player to succeed in all forms of the game, and given the opportunity could do a great job. Now Bell isn't their I think we need Kieswetter, with his experience from 2010. I'm undecided on Hales yet - he will probably get a few goes this summer, but I'm not sure I can envisage him winning us a major tournament. Otherwise Shanky's call for Chris Nash isn't a bad one, particularly as his spin could come in handy in Sri Lanka - he could be a good, pragmatic but well thought out selection like Yardy for the Caribbean.

Bopara, Morgan, Bairstow and Buttler is a reasonable enough middle order. Bopara can offer some overs, and we have three genuine hitters there. Stokes could easily make a case for inclusion by September, but injuries are dogging him at the moment

Bresnan and Patel can compete for number seven depending on conditions, and then we have Finn, Broad, Swann and Dernbach. I think we need Tredwell in the squad again in case anything happens to Swann - Briggs has a good T20 record, but I'm not convinced by him personally. For me Borthwick certainly isn't ready. Jimmy has been left out of some T20s in the past, and might not make the first choice XI here, but his experience means he's a great person to have around just in case any of the others don't go well.

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Post by ShankyCricket Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 22:50

For me, Bopara's S/R rules him out of a place in the XI. But his experience makes him a useful squad player.I think both Chris Nash and Ben Stokes, would be better picks than Bell.

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Post by hodge Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 22:58

15 man squad?

1) Kieswetter
2) Bell
3) Taylor
4) Bairstow
5) Morgan
6) Buttler
7) Stokes
8) Swann
9) Broad
10) Finn
11) Dernbach

12) Bopara
13) Vince
14) Bresnan/Woakes maybe
15) Briggs

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Post by hodge Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 22:59

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:For me, Bopara's S/R rules him out of a place in the XI. But his experience makes him a useful squad player.I think both Chris Nash and Ben Stokes, would be better picks than Bell.

Bopara would be #3 for me, players to play around his run rate, then useful bowler as well if required.

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Post by ShankyCricket Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 23:00

hodge wrote:
shankythebiggestengfan wrote:For me, Bopara's S/R rules him out of a place in the XI. But his experience makes him a useful squad player.I think both Chris Nash and Ben Stokes, would be better picks than Bell.

Bopara would be #3 for me, players to play around his run rate, then useful bowler as well if required.
Yeah quite possibly.

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Post by ShankyCricket Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 23:01

hodge wrote:15 man squad?

1) Kieswetter
2) Bell
3) Taylor
4) Bairstow
5) Morgan
6) Buttler
7) Stokes
8) Swann
9) Broad
10) Finn
11) Dernbach

12) Bopara
13) Vince
14) Bresnan/Woakes maybe
15) Briggs
Good squad. Not sure Vince is ready yet though he is a special talent. Atm, I would have Nash personally.

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Post by ShankyCricket Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 23:07

Hodge, you only have 1 spinner in the starting XI. Maybe try and squeeze Briggs in given that this is in SL?

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Post by hodge Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 23:21

why did i think it was in australia Doh

I would consider sacraficing Stokes tbh, would hopefully have enough batting, with the bowlers then able to chip in a bit where needed.

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Post by GG Sat 2 Jun 2012 - 23:39

Kieswetter
Wright
Shah
Buttler
Bairstow
Morgan
Stokes
Samit
Mascarenhas
Swann
Broad
Briggs
Dernbach
Finn
Borthwick

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Post by LondonTiger Sun 3 Jun 2012 - 9:19

Assuming Bopara is fit enough to bowl a couple of overs:

Kieswetter
Hales
Bopara
Morgan
Bairstow
Patel
Buttler
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Finn

Briggs
Stokes
Dernbach
Taylor


Standby:
Luke Wright

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Post by Shelsey93 Sun 3 Jun 2012 - 11:19

I'm not at all sure about James Vince. At the start of his career he was talked up a lot as 'the next Michael Vaughan' etc. But I can only remember him playing one innings of real note and a statistical comparison with Stokes, Bairstow, Taylor and Buttler really highlights that he hasn't kicked on:

Taylor - Age 22; 71 FC matches - ave 48.97, 12 100s; 61 List A - ave 46.43, 6 100s; 49 T20 - ave 35.12, SR 115.40

Bairstow - Age 22; 54 FC matches - ave 45.72, 5 100s; 47 List A - ave 26.81, 1 100; 38 T20s - ave 20.72, SR 117.99

Stokes - Age 20; 34 FC matches - ave 42.65, 6 100s; 31 List A - ave 27.88, 1 100; 18 T20 - ave 18.38, SR 112.73

Buttler - Age 21; 33 FC matches - ave 33.07, 2 100s; 42 List A - ave 65.50, 2 100s; 53 T20 - ave 21.50, SR 135.96

Vince - Age 21; 49 FC matches - ave 31.98, 4 100s; 37 List A - ave 34.78, 1 100; 38 T20 - ave 28.28, SR 126.39

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Post by hodge Sun 3 Jun 2012 - 11:46

however from those stats it shows he's a good one day player in comparison

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Post by Shelsey93 Sun 3 Jun 2012 - 11:50

hodge wrote:however from those stats it shows he's a good one day player in comparison

My view is that you have to be banging down the door to get into this particular England side. And Vince hasn't done that. However, opportunites may be available for anyone who has an excellent FL t20 campaign, given the number of Test and/or ODI players highly unlikely to feature - Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell (maybe he has more of a chance than the others), Prior.

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Post by m@tt Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 11:46

01 Kieswetter
02 Wright
03 Stokes
04 Morgan
05 Bairstow
06 Patel
07 Buttler
08 Bresnan
09 Swann
10 Broad
11 Dernbach

12 Hales
13 Bopara
14 Finn
15 Briggs

Young side but if they are good enough then they will step up.
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Post by ShankyCricket Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 12:24

Bresnan has a poor T20I record. Finn would be a much better option. And Hales is too big a risk at this stage given how out of depth he has looked.

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Post by m@tt Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 12:44

Need to see more of Finn in T20s. At the moment I fear he could be too hittable - with his pace and natural line and length, too many balls may reach the boundary. Would do well to learn from Brett Lee if he plays this summer.

Struggled to name batsmen, hence Wright opening and Hales and Bopara on the bench. There's enough inexperience in the squad as it is. Perhaps Bell instead of Hales? He didn't do too badly against Australia last year.
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Post by ShankyCricket Sat 9 Jun 2012 - 13:02

m@tt wrote:Need to see more of Finn in T20s. At the moment I fear he could be too hittable - with his pace and natural line and length, too many balls may reach the boundary. Would do well to learn from Brett Lee if he plays this summer.

Struggled to name batsmen, hence Wright opening and Hales and Bopara on the bench. There's enough inexperience in the squad as it is. Perhaps Bell instead of Hales? He didn't do too badly against Australia last year.
Need someone better than Bresnan though. His limited overs record is ordinary. Quality Test bowler.

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Post by Shelsey93 Sun 10 Jun 2012 - 23:26

Bresnan is pretty good I would say. Not really a good idea to look too closely at stats in T20.

Finn's form against India and Pakistan this winter suggests he is becoming a top quality opening bowler.

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Post by Shelsey93 Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 10:23

It occurs to me that England will need to name a 30 man pool, which will then be cut to 15, pretty soon. So who would make the 30? Largely academic but worth discussion.

My suggestions:

Main squad (largely as per my previous post): Stuart Broad (c), Eoin Morgan (vice-captain), Alex Hales, Craig Kieswetter (wk), Ravi Bopara, Jonny Bairstow, Jos Buttler, Samit Patel, Tim Bresnan, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, Jade Dernbach, James Anderson, Chris Nash, James Tredwell

The other 15: Ian Bell, Alastair Cook, Michael Lumb, Ben Stokes, James Taylor, Steve Davies, Matt Prior, Luke Wright, Danny Briggs, Scott Borthwick, Michael Yardy, Azeem Rafiq, Stuart Meaker, Chris Woakes, Graham Onions

I can't think of anyone obvious I've missed. It is an indicator of England's strength that I can name 28 players that are capped in at least one format - Nash, who I think could be a useful reserve in SL, though one from left-field, and Rafiq, who has been very impressive for Yorkshire are the exceptions.

I suspect some would argue the case for Bell/Cook to be picked as spare batter, but I personally believe it is currently best to leave them out of T20, as they've hardly played any. Similarly, I guess a lot of people would suggest that Borthwick/Briggs/Rafiq are a better bet than Tredwell. My view is that Tredwell is an important back-up because of Swann's injury issues, and that the others aren't quite ready to play a leading role in winning a global tournament.

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Post by ShankyCricket Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 10:50

Briggs has done well on 2 Finals Days now. He can perform on the big occasion. I doubt Tredwell has ever done that.

I'd pick Briggs. I'd also pick Bell over Nash. Luke Wright is also a must in the main squad given his recent form.

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Post by Shelsey93 Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 10:54

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Briggs has done well on 2 Finals Days now. He can perform on the big occasion. I doubt Tredwell has ever done that.

I'd pick Briggs. I'd also pick Bell over Nash. Luke Wright is also a must in the main squad given his recent form.

What do you see Wright's role as being? Reserve opener? First choice opener? Back-up batsman? Number five or six?

He's an improving T20 player, but I just can't see where he fits into England's current plans.

Oh, and Tredwell, played an important part in Kent's T20 win too. Difficult choice between him Briggs and Borthwick though I must admit.

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Post by ShankyCricket Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 11:03

Wright offers flexibility.

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Post by GSC Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 11:31

I will cry if Luke Wright plays for England.

Not enough Alex Hales tbqh
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Post by JDizzle Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 11:39

It's a pretty accurate assessment of what England's 15 will be. Briggs may get the call up over Tredwell, as neither will be expected to play with Swann as the main spinner and it will be good experience for Briggs and he has done a decent enough job when it has been asked upon him. I would also not be surprised to see Jimmy miss out, as I am not convinced by him as a T20 bowler especially in the sub continent and as I think we will only go in with three seamers, probably Bresnan, Broad and Finn with Dernbach, so I'm not sure it makes sure to have sense to have him in the squad and not playing.

My 15: Hales, Kieswetter, Morgan, Bopara, Bairstow, Buttler, Patel, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Finn, Lumb, Nash, Dernbach, Briggs.

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Post by Gregers Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:04

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:I will cry if Luke Wright plays for England.

Not enough Alex Hales tbqh

Is that regardless of the fact he's been on fire for Sussex this season?

I'd be annoyed if Nashdog isn't in consideration.

Nash
Hales
Bell
Wright
Bopara
Morgan
Buttler (wk)
Broad (c)
Woakes
Briggs
Finn

That's what id go for.

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Post by GSC Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:12

I still have nightmares of the days when Luke Wright was first name on the ODI teamsheet despite never contributing
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Post by Gregers Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:26

He's a massively better cricketer now gsc, and England never really gave him a role as he was up and down the order sometimes as an opener, others as a pinch hitter.

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Post by GSC Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:28

Still doesnt allay my fears that if he gets 1 game, he'll get 15 because itd be unfair to drop him.
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Post by ShankyCricket Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:31

Hales
Wright
Bopara
Morgan
Buttler
Kieswetter(wk)
Patel
Broad(c)
Swann
Finn
Dernbach

Squad members

Bell
Briggs
Bresnan
Bairstow

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Post by Gregers Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:32

Given the season he's having I don't see how you could not take him, same with Nash and if he keeps it up Prior must be back in with a shout. I have the same fears about Bairstow as you have about Wright.

Shanks, I doubt Dernbach will go due to Maynard (rip), and why take Craig? Seriously what does he bring?

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Post by GSC Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:37

Don't get me wrong, I don't fancy Bairstow either.

Hales
Bell
Bopara
Morgan
Buttler
Kieswetter (wk)
Patel
Swann
Broad (c)
Bresnan
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Post by ShankyCricket Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:39

Why would Dernbach not go? The World T20 is in September.

As for Craig, I dont think we can afford to have a part time keeper in T20. CK has been keeping well oflate and is a WT20 winner. MoM in the last final. Big match experience and all that.

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Post by GSC Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:40

Depends where his head's at
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Post by Shelsey93 Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:45

Kieswetter's done little wrong this season - we haven't needed the batsmen after Morgan yet. Dernbach will definitely play - England see him as their top death bowler, which can be particularly important in Asia.

Bairstow will also almost certainly be in the squad, off the back of his efforts in one of the T20 matches in the UAE and at Cardiff last year.

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Post by Gregers Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:46

Dernbach might never fully recover shanks let alone this year, he was close to Maynard and believe me it can take years to recover from the death of a friend.

As for Craig he brings nothing to the table imo, if we want a full time keeper then we should go for Davies or Prior. If we want a big hitter then Buttler.

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Post by ShankyCricket Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:47

So Meaker then or was he close to Maynard as well?

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Post by Shelsey93 Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 12:53

Different people react to deaths in different ways. We've already seen Dernbach play a few matches since Maynard died, and it is too early to tell to what extent that effected his performance. Some people will be able to shut the death out, whilst others will struggle to cope.

So far Dernbach, other than his injury, has been available to play and if that is the case for the World T20 I see no reason for England not to pick him.

Rory Hamilton-Brown, who lived with Tom, is taking extended compassionate leave and so, you would assume, will not be considered for the 30. That is disappointing as he was starting to build a pretty strong case with his one-day performances.

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Post by ShankyCricket Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 13:01

Shelsey93 wrote:Different people react to deaths in different ways. We've already seen Dernbach play a few matches since Maynard died, and it is too early to tell to what extent that effected his performance. Some people will be able to shut the death out, whilst others will struggle to cope.

So far Dernbach, other than his injury, has been available to play and if that is the case for the World T20 I see no reason for England not to pick him.

Rory Hamilton-Brown, who lived with Tom, is taking extended compassionate leave and so, you would assume, will not be considered for the 30. That is disappointing as he was starting to build a pretty strong case with his one-day performances.
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Post by JDizzle Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 13:43

Kieswetter's international record in T20's is much better than his at ODI level, and his wicket keeping has improved dramatically. Let's not forget he was MOM in the last World T20 final, he deserves to be there. Buttler hasn't really impressed in his few England chances, not that has had much of a chance, and if Davies wasn't good enough a few years ago, I don't see what he has done that is any better this year.

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Post by Guest Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 16:05

My 30 man squad

THE 15 I THINK WILL MAKE IT:

Alex Hales, Craig Kieswetter, Ravi Bopara,Scott Borthwick,Stuart Broad (C),Eoin Morgan,Samit Patel,Graeme Swann,Jade Dernbach,Steven Finn,Tim Bresnan,Jos Buttler,Jonny Bairstow,Steve Davies,Graham Onions (sneaky feeling)

THE 15 I THINK WILL MISS OUT BUT BE IN THE RECKONING

Owais Shah,Danny Briggs,Chris Nash,Ian Bell,Darren Stevens,James Vince,Matt Coles,Michael Lumb,Ben Stokes,Alistair Cook,Azeem Rafiq,Peter Trego,James Taylor,James Hildreth,Luke Wright

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Post by hodge Mon 9 Jul 2012 - 20:34

Starting 11

1) Hales
2) Kieswetter
3) Bopara
4) Morgan
5) Buttler
6) Wright
7) Broad
8) Swann
9) Dernbach
10) Briggs
11) Finn

12) Bairstow
13) Patel
14) Stokes
15) Bresnan

You only really need to keepers in your squad Kieswetter and Buttler do just fine, Bairstow is there as a batsman, however if CK was out you weigh up who's a better fielder Buttler or Bairstow, either way whichever fields is there on batting merit.

Briggs and Swann to play for me, both good T20 bowlers briggs better than patel and we haven't needed patel's batting. Wright offers the 4th seamer if required or Bopara to take pace off.

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Post by Shelsey93 Wed 18 Jul 2012 - 14:08

The England 30 includes Gareth Batty, Steven Croft and Joe Root. From my selection the 3 to miss out are Chris Nash, Azeem Rafiq and Michael Yardy.

I'm a little surprised at that. Whilst Yardy may be unavailable following his well documented issues with depression, I'd have thought that Nash would be a better bet than Croft (particularly as Nash is the better part-time spinner). The selection of Batty is probably a nod to his excellent T20 form - I can't really complain about him being picked (as he won't be in the final 15), but I must say I'm always impressed by Rafiq as a young spinner, and Stephen Parry is also good.

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Post by JDizzle Wed 18 Jul 2012 - 14:35

Full squad:

Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire) (Capt), James Anderson (Lancashire), Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire), Gareth Batty (Surrey), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Ravi Bopara (Essex), Scott Borthwick (Durham), Tim Bresnan (Yorkshire), Danny Briggs (Hampshire), Jos Buttler (Somerset), Alastair Cook (Essex), Steven Croft (Lancashire), Steven Davies (Surrey), Jade Dernbach (Surrey), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Craig Kieswetter (Somerset), Michael Lumb (Nottinghamshire), Stuart Meaker (Surrey), Eoin Morgan (Middlesex), Graham Onions (Durham), Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire), Matt Prior (Sussex), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire), James Taylor Yahoo(Nottinghamshire), James Tredwell (Kent), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Luke Wright (Sussex).

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Post by Gregers Wed 18 Jul 2012 - 14:45

Lumb? Root? Batty? Croft? Cook?

Odd selections there, and no Nash? Good to see that you can get in on form...

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Post by skyeman Wed 18 Jul 2012 - 14:48

My final 15 : Broad, Anderson, Bresnan, Finn, Dernbach, Swann, Patel, Buttler, Kieswetter, Hales, Morgan, Bairstow, Bell, Sokes and Woakes.

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Post by Fists of Fury Wed 18 Jul 2012 - 14:49

My final 15: Broad, Anderson, Bairstow, Bopara, Bresnan, Buttler, Dernbach, Finn, Hales, Kieswetter, Morgan, Patel, Swann, Stokes, Tredwell

Not sure about that at all, though. There are a few names I wanted to include. Woakes, for example, though I imagine you'd have to replace Bresnan with him. Luke Wright, too, who has had a very good season. Perhaps he'd be competing with Ben Stokes.

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