Does Hearn believe in Kell Brook?

I read yesterday that Hearn is saying that they want 50/50 with Khan were Brook and Khan get it on. He claims Brook is the draw as he has sold out the pubs in Sheffield. Sorry but Khan has done decent numbers in Vegas. Is this demand a first shot across the negotiation table or are they justified. He has promised many times that the next fight would be for a world title only to have another eliminator.

Anyway, is a 50/50 demand a way of saying that they don't want the fight as they know Team Khan will want at least 70% seeing as he is the draw. Next to Hatton, Khan is the biggest box office in UK boxing.

Couldn't Alexander take a volountary before having to face his mandatory/Brook?

If he choses to face Khan first and loses, he could have lost his mandatory spot too. It could be lose/lose.

Khan has stated time and time again that he's staying at 140 to win a title before moving up and would only fight Brook for a 147 title.

I think Brook should forget Khan, do his own thing and when he's champion it's an easy fight to make. Khan doesn't seem too bothered about Brook. People say that's ducking, but he was winning and defending titles in Vegas while Brook was fighting bums.

Khan was loosing to bums where as Brook is un defeated Oasis.

Too much is made of Khan. Brook is right to want this fight as it would be huge for his profile. Khan is ducking Brook it is clear as day.

So Khan wanting to win back his belts at a division below Brook's division is a clear sign that Khan is ducking Brook? Why doesn't Brook come down to 140? Is he ducking Khan because he wont do that? Are pigs flying where you're at?

Khan stated before Peterson schooled him that he wanted to move up, now he wants to stay and win his titles back.

What pigs mofo?

We dont know what Khan is like up at welter,didn't take a punch that well against 140 pounders we need to see what happens when a full welter catches him.

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Two corrections, ONETWO:

(1) There is no way that any sensible person could claim that Khan is ducking Brook. Khan has, in the past been selective of his opponents, but that's hardly been the case lately and he is in now way a ducker. As Az has pointed out, he has a stated goal at 140 before stepping up to 147. If and when he moves up, Brook becomes a viable option.

(2) Peterson hardly "schooled" Khan.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Khan stated before Peterson schooled him that he wanted to move up, now he wants to stay and win his titles back.

What pigs mofo?

Peterson did not school him. In fact the drugged up Peterson was gifted a decision he didn't deserve. But let's not let minor details get in the way of some good ole hating.

Khan rightly wants to sort out the 140 division. What problem do you have with that? Also what has Kell done to deserve a bumper payday? beating Hatton? Don't get me wrong, he is a great fighter and may well beat Khan, but without a belt on the line, he brings next to nothing.

I think we're moving away somewhat here.

Would team Khan accept 50/50? Also why has Brook had so many final eliminators?

Don't really see the problem, khan is a bigger name granted but not by a large amount, I doubt many Americans will travel as I'm pretty sure khan hasn't fought on an American PPV. Brook isn't a name in America but is developing a very big following here and this is after all a domestic clash that'll be held in England

Added to the fact that khan is coming off 2 losses he is in a pretty precarious position and a win over the lightweight he is scheduled to fight won't put him back into contention or in a position of bargaining

50/50 seems fair to me, and khan can't have too may quarrels if the reported purse is £2mil as that is his highest to date

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Khan was loosing to bums where as Brook is un defeated Oasis.

Too much is made of Khan. Brook is right to want this fight as it would be huge for his profile. Khan is ducking Brook it is clear as day.

That's true of the prescot fight but i'll rate Khan higher than Brook because of what he's achieved.
Khan won a world title 3 fights after his loss, in around his 21st fight.

Brook is 29 fights in and doesnt yet have a title fight lined up. Plus Khan is younger and has the olympic medal to boot. Their records don't match very wel in Brook's favour.

I rate brook though, and won't have a favourite if or when they meet.

azania wrote:I think we're moving away somewhat here.

Would team Khan accept 50/50? Also why has Brook had so many final eliminators?

they shouldnt accept it unless Brook has a title. Khan is by far the bigger name. Didnt hatton have a few eliminators for the IBF?

I think the 50:50 was just posturing. As you say, at the moment, Brook has done nothing to warrant whereas Khan is a (slightly dimmed) star on both sides of the Atlantic.

Brook with a belt at 147 however would be a different matter and, as he'd be putting the most on the line, he'd deserved the more reward for his risk and therefore the 50:50.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Khan was loosing to bums where as Brook is un defeated Oasis.

Those two bums (excl. Presscott) were top10 ranked and better than anything Brook has fought.......#justsayin

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:Don't really see the problem, khan is a bigger name granted but not by a large amount, I doubt many Americans will travel as I'm pretty sure khan hasn't fought on an American PPV. Brook isn't a name in America but is developing a very big following here and this is after all a domestic clash that'll be held in England

Added to the fact that khan is coming off 2 losses he is in a pretty precarious position and a win over the lightweight he is scheduled to fight won't put him back into contention or in a position of bargaining

50/50 seems fair to me, and khan can't have too may quarrels if the reported purse is £2mil as that is his highest to date

Khan is a bigger name by any account and by a huge margin. He's known in USA whereas Brook is only known in Sheffield. Khan hasn't topped the bill on a US PPV, but he has fought on big cards and topped the bill in Vegas. No matter where its held, Khan should get the lion's share. With a belt on the line, then 50/50.

Khan is a bigger name at the moment no doubt, but once Brook has starched young Amir the boot will be firmly on the other foot. Brook could be a far bigger ticket seller in the future if handled correctly by Hearn as he seem far more down to earth and likable bloke and could tap into a huge fanbase all over Yorkshire, as opposed to the deluded Khan who get up peoples noses with his endless list of excuses to why he keeps losing when he fights anyone half decent.

Is 'down to earth' really that sellable in the US though? Pac aside their biggest sellars are controversial figures like PBF and Broner.

No way does Brook deserve 50/50 and totally agree with the thoughts that if they were to truly demand this then it's their way to avoiding the fight without 'ducking.'

Losing to Top 10 fighters i.e. Khan is better than beating fringe top 20 guys like Brook.

If Brook beat Alexander and had a geniune belt and Khan stepped up to WW to challenge then 50/50 is much more justified but if the fight was made now then it should be around 70/30 for Khan.

Only if he takes out a few big names TopHat, the ball is in his own court.

Khan is not great ticket seller people think either, half the people at his last few fights were freebies.

hogey wrote:Khan is a bigger name at the moment no doubt, but once Brook has starched young Amir the boot will be firmly on the other foot. Brook could be a far bigger ticket seller in the future if handled correctly by Hearn as he seem far more down to earth and likable bloke and could tap into a huge fanbase all over Yorkshire, as opposed to the deluded Khan who get up peoples noses with his endless list of excuses to why he keeps losing when he fights anyone half decent.

Huge fanbase all over Yorkshire!

Mate, Yorkshire is not the world. It may be the biggest county geographically in the UK, but outside of that land mass and folks who watch "Last of the Summer Wine", who the hell knows Brook? Maybe the wippet racing brigade and ferret dodgers. But come on.

Khan has a huge fanbase all over the world. Yorkshire is not the world. Khan is known in USA, Europe and Aisa. Brook is known in Yorkshire.

If and when Brook beats him, he still will be a boring guy with a forgetable personality. Down to earth and likeable hardly sells. You need an X Factor and Brook lack any factor.

I well aware it aint the world mate but there's enough ferret worriers in that area to make him a major ticket seller if Eddie Hearn markets him correctly. While i agree Khan is currently the much bigger name now he also has no real fanbase he is not popular here and regarded as chinny and overated by many fans in the US. Fighters with huge worldwide fanbases do not need to give away thousands of tickets to fill the arena.

hogey wrote:I well aware it aint the world mate but there's enough ferret worriers in that area to make him a major ticket seller if Eddie Hearn markets him correctly. While i agree Khan is currently the much bigger name now he also has no real fanbase he is not popular here and regarded as chinny and overated by many fans in the US. Fighters with huge worldwide fanbases do not need to give away thousands of tickets to fill the arena.

Khan has a worldwide fanbase. No matter how much you dislike him, you cannot escape that simple fact. He is wildly popular in the UK also.

He is wildly popular with you mate, i dont know many others who get excited about him. He has lost his last 2 fights is not remotely special apart from in his own mind and another loss and he would struggle to fill a phone box. I bet he sells less than one third of the LA sports arena and the rest will be handed out on fight night to make the tv coverage look better, thats what happened in his previous bigger fights.

Nope. His viewing figures are massive. He sells out arenas up and down the country. He can't walk the streets of london without being mobbed. He can go to Sheffield and more people will want to meet him that Brook. In Asia, especially the sub continent, he is massive.

Brook can't sell the broom cupboard in any US venue.

Khan popularity is a myth have a look at his US viewing figures seeing as that what you are judging things on they are poor. For his Garcia fight 3,147 tickets were sold for the fight, Golden Boy Promotions and the casino then also gave away 3,364 tickets, meaning there were more freebies than tickets sold. There were also 737 unsold tickets. His Sky PPV numbers were also poor and thats why took him of PPV.
I agree with you about Brook in the US at the moment but if he does the business his name will grow and he may go on to some very big shows, dont think he will ever be a huge name there though.

I wrote about this a while back Hogey. His fights against Maidana and Judah where fought in half empty arenas.

The reason for going after McCloskey (to get the irish fans to cough up) then claiming he was a "road Warrior" for going to DC for Peterson. This was to get the Peterson fans to pay up.

And Im saying this in the most fence sitting way, because the likes of Donaire etc are in exactly the same boat and The Flash is miles ahead of Khan in the sport.

Its just the nature of the US market. Unfortunately for Khan his home fans aint exactly bursting the walls down either. He is going to have to fight rivals with fan bases unless a miracle happens.

hogey wrote:Khan popularity is a myth have a look at his US viewing figures seeing as that what you are judging things on they are poor. For his Garcia fight 3,147 tickets were sold for the fight, Golden Boy Promotions and the casino then also gave away 3,364 tickets, meaning there were more freebies than tickets sold. There were also 737 unsold tickets. His Sky PPV numbers were also poor and thats why took him of PPV.
I agree with you about Brook in the US at the moment but if he does the business his name will grow and he may go on to some very big shows, dont think he will ever be a huge name there though.

And Brook fought on an undercard infront to two men and some hookers.

I was unaware that McCloskey had fans. Thanks for that little titbit.

To be fair to Hearn I think he has a plan with Brook and he has been building his career quite well. However I dont think he is as confident in his abilities as many others on here as things stands because like most of the rest of us he has yet to see him in with genuine world class fighters. By many accounts Brook hasnt been the most dedicated guy in the gym or in training so this might account to some extent for why he has been moved pretty slowly and has been fighting below himself until now. I still get the feeling they see Brook as work in progress and even in the interview after his last fight he said Brook was up to about 80% from maybe 50% before that.

Hearn and Brook are living in some kind of fantasy world if they truly are convinved that a 50:50 split with Khan is deserved and viable as of now. Freebes-aided or not, Khan is the bigger star over both sides of the Atlantic and has been there and done it at world title level.

If Brook can win the race to a 147 lb title and beat a top, top man in his division, then fair enough. 50:50 would be justified. But if we're talking right now, then Khan deserves the lion's share without question.

I'm with the consensus on this, however as a proud Yorkshireman I'd like to take umbrage with being labelled a ferret dodging whippet racer. In the modern world there is no place for such blatant prejudicial negative reinforcement.

I don't own a whippet or a ferret, and nor do I own a flat cap. I am however a notorious tightwad, who says what he likes and likes what he says

Taking into account ticket prices and the fact that any prospective fight would see Brook as the champion I don't think a 50/50 split is that ridiculous. Khan may have been more popular in America but he wasn't setting the world alight over there and coming off of 2 straight losses it's hard to imagine he's going to be a massive seller while Brook is a proven draw over this side of the pond where he easily sells out 10,000 seat arenas.