Does Colour still matter ??

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I grew up in the early 80's where we had the limited but explosive Gerry Cooney making millions out of being a White Heavyweight. Obviously his Irish heritage helped him too.....Harry Arroyo used to get lot's of ink even though he had the poor-at-the-time IBF light strap....His successor the black Jimmy Paul was INVISIBLE!!

How far have we moved on since then???............Does Colour still matter?? Does a good white fighter have more marketing potential than a good black one??? If it does ... Is it the case that there are more quality BLACK fighters... so that is what makes a WHITE fighter have more appeal. Or is it more basic???

Does colour still matter??? I think unfortunately it does!!............

Or does it border with Pakistan? But anyway, they look the same so the question still stands.

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Atila wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:I find that colour is only really an issue for nonwhites who have a chip on their shoulder and like to blame their colour for failings they have had in their life.

That and white people who like to take offence on behalf of others.

So yes it is still an issue in my view, but by over sensitive types who like to try and play the blame game.

I can imagine you back in the days of slavery in the USA Jack, telling some poor black guy that he only has an issue with slavery because he has a chip on his shoulder.

I would never go to America.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Perhaps someone can explain this for me, not strictly on topic but I'm interested anyway...

China borders with India right? How do they look so different?

borders didn't exist in the old days. it is only the segregation that has highlighted the diference. you'd probably have a few half and halfs in the lands between the 2 areas. In accent terms it would be a bit like geordies. They're certainly not speaking English but they're not quite speaking scottish if you get what i mean?

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Perhaps someone can explain this for me, not strictly on topic but I'm interested anyway...

China borders with India right? How do they look so different?

haha! brilliant!

Continental Drift.

India was part of Africa. It broke off, floated about, and the Indians evolved separately before the land mass then attached itself to modern China.

Well, such a simple explanation.

? What was wrong with that?

IBF heavily favours blacks, the way WBC favours mexicans.

hatton's fanbase wouldnt be the same if were not white - sad but true, he would still be popular, but wouldnt attract some of his fans.

White people will never understand racism, they wont they can do 'research' on it, but wouldnt change the fact of them not full understanding racism, its every where around us, even in sports, you will hear most say that it's not a big issue, exaggerated...

The amount of times you hear comments about Khan being a filthy 'Pak1' it's disgusting, Its one thing hating they guy for his personality but its another when it has nothing to do with it, just purely on race. When he talked up about it, people criticised him for it.

TheMackemMawler wrote:http://www.gokunming.com/en/blog/item/1168/inside_kunmings_dwarf_empire

http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/none/dwarf-empire-dwarf-town-china-693389

http://www.cracked.com/article_19590_the-6-weirdest-cities-people-actually-live-in.html

Amazing stuff, MM

seanmichaels wrote:? What was wrong with that?

Nothing Sean, I thought it was very well put. I'm obviously the exception to that rule, as I speak flawless English.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Racism - "A belief that race is the determinant of human traits..and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a certain race"

Why can't I support the white man and still respect and not think I'm superior to a guy of a different race..

and not be a racist??

Hate based on ethnic and cultural differences is also defined as racism by the United Nations.


I'm not sure on supporting a guy just because he has the same colour skin as me. Nationality yes as they represent my country but when it comes to supporting skin colour I don't think that's right. With Denzil's Oscar win they were using positive discrimination.

I never watch a fight hoping the white man would beat the black man based only on skin colour. At the same time I'm not naive enough to believe skin colour isn't used to spice up fights by promotors.

Pretty much as a rule I support fighters from my own country and then British fighters unless I really don't like a particular guys personality. If it's two American's I normally support the underdog.

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Racism - "A belief that race is the determinant of human traits..and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a certain race"

Why can't I support the white man and still respect and not think I'm superior to a guy of a different race..

and not be a racist??

. If it's two American's I normally support the underdog.

The white man?

I never watch a fight hoping the white man would beat the black man based only on skin colour.

Didn't think I would say it on this thread, but I agree with Strongy.

This is hilarious. In answering the OP, boxing has moved on greatly from the Cooney days. More than society I reckon. But it is still there as many have stated. Audley isn't disliked due to his skin. Rather his constant bombastic claims and his utter inability to deliver.

On the general subject. MM and strong back have nailed it. My other concern is why the thread starter has this rather unhealthy intetest on race issues having started numerous tjreafs about it and then quick to throw accusations of racism at others especially he sees nothing wrong with overt racism.

Mods if u look for offensive posts don't look at mine.

Salaam, shalom peace.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Racism - "A belief that race is the determinant of human traits..and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a certain race"

Why can't I support the white man and still respect and not think I'm superior to a guy of a different race..

and not be a racist??

. If it's two American's I normally support the underdog.

The white man?

Not if it's Trussy.

azania wrote:

Salaam, shalom peace.

What does that mean. Not many of us have a foreign language.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

Salaam, shalom peace.

What does that mean. Not many of us have a foreign language.

Go look it up.

KO-KING wrote:IBF heavily favours blacks, the way WBC favours mexicans.

hatton's fanbase wouldnt be the same if were not white - sad but true, he would still be popular, but wouldnt attract some of his fans.

White people will never understand racism, they wont they can do 'research' on it, but wouldnt change the fact of them not full understanding racism, its every where around us, even in sports, you will hear most say that it's not a big issue, exaggerated...

The amount of times you hear comments about Khan being a filthy 'Pak1' it's disgusting, Its one thing hating they guy for his personality but its another when it has nothing to do with it, just purely on race. When he talked up about it, people criticised him for it.

i could argue that your very post is racist as you are branding all white people as having a certain view purely because of the colour of their skin. But anyway there are plenty of examples of racism against white people it is just not documented as much as it doesn't sell newspapers as well as racism against blacks etc.

Keep it up vic.

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

Salaam, shalom peace.

What does that mean. Not many of us have a foreign language.

Go look it up.

Na. If I wanted to read something in foreign, I'd go on a foreign website.

victorgarco wrote:

KO-KING wrote:IBF heavily favours blacks, the way WBC favours mexicans.

hatton's fanbase wouldnt be the same if were not white - sad but true, he would still be popular, but wouldnt attract some of his fans.

White people will never understand racism, they wont they can do 'research' on it, but wouldnt change the fact of them not full understanding racism, its every where around us, even in sports, you will hear most say that it's not a big issue, exaggerated...

The amount of times you hear comments about Khan being a filthy 'Pak1' it's disgusting, Its one thing hating they guy for his personality but its another when it has nothing to do with it, just purely on race. When he talked up about it, people criticised him for it.

i could argue that your very post is racist as you are branding all white people as having a certain view purely because of the colour of their skin. But anyway there are plenty of examples of racism against white people it is just not documented as much as it doesn't sell newspapers as well as racism against blacks etc.

Not denying there isnt racism against Whites, but what examples? Personal experience? In the press?

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

Salaam, shalom peace.

What does that mean. Not many of us have a foreign language.

Go look it up.

Na. If I wanted to read something in foreign, I'd go on a foreign website.

peace in arabic and judaism. irony I think.

Incredible. 4 pages of debate and now you guys go scurrying around in a blind panic. Chill out for goodness sake.

Az has entered the building...

Juss here to tork baxin'

azania wrote:Incredible. 4 pages of debate and now you guys go scurrying around in a blind panic. Chill out for goodness sake.

No, I won't. I have learned from experience that these things curtail quickly. Especially where you are involved. Just a friendly warning.

Come of it. I'm hardly to blame for how others respond. When some racist fool claims its not being racist to dislike someone because of their skin colour, that person needs to be educated. It was done.

Hope that friendly warning is extended to all.

Have a great day.

azania wrote:Come of it. I'm hardly to blame for how others respond. When some racist fool claims its not being racist to dislike someone because of their skin colour, that person needs to be educated. It was done.

Hope that friendly warning is extended to all.

Have a great day.

It is.

Interceptor wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

KO-KING wrote:IBF heavily favours blacks, the way WBC favours mexicans.

hatton's fanbase wouldnt be the same if were not white - sad but true, he would still be popular, but wouldnt attract some of his fans.

White people will never understand racism, they wont they can do 'research' on it, but wouldnt change the fact of them not full understanding racism, its every where around us, even in sports, you will hear most say that it's not a big issue, exaggerated...

The amount of times you hear comments about Khan being a filthy 'Pak1' it's disgusting, Its one thing hating they guy for his personality but its another when it has nothing to do with it, just purely on race. When he talked up about it, people criticised him for it.

i could argue that your very post is racist as you are branding all white people as having a certain view purely because of the colour of their skin. But anyway there are plenty of examples of racism against white people it is just not documented as much as it doesn't sell newspapers as well as racism against blacks etc.

Not denying there isnt racism against Whites, but what examples? Personal experience? In the press?

Plenty of examples. Look at Africa and how the white people in South Africa and Zimbarbwe are being killed. If you are white and you go to the middle east (certain countries) you will be killed. If you are white and you go to Africa you will be more likely to be the victim of muggings. You will be targeted because of the colour of your skin.

there was an American report think it was called the 'color of crime' which highlighted that there is an overwhelming majority of attacks/crimes committed by blacks against whites than the other way round. The report suggests white people are more likley to be the victim of a crime. Those crimes range from muggings to rapes.

Then you have positive discrimination which is a legal form of racism that legally allows employers to employ non-whites over whites purely because of the colour of their skin.

You have the Rooney rule in America which is similar to the above but makes it a legal requirement that a black person MUST be interviewed for a job if there is an advertised vacancy.

There is also a social acceptance of racism against whites. just look at films where white people are made fun of purely because they are white. No one bats an eyelid because it has become socially the norm to make fun of white people.

Those are just a few examples from the top of my head, if i wanted to i could probably Google the issue and find a far more in depth analysis of the situation.

Yeah us whites have it soooo bad.

Rowley wrote:Yeah us whites have it soooo bad.

An estimated 68 798 white South Africans have been murdered since 1994 mostly in racially motivated hate killings. Whilst white people may not suffer from extreme cases of racism in the UK be sympathetc to white people who live in countries where they are the minority and where black people hold a lot of hatrid due to historical reasons.

victorgarco wrote:

Rowley wrote:Yeah us whites have it soooo bad.

An estimated 68 798 white South Africans have been murdered since 1994 mostly in racially motivated hate killings. Whilst white people may not suffer from extreme cases of racism in the UK be sympathetc to white people who live in countries where they are the minority and where black people hold a lot of hatrid due to historical reasons.

mates Dad was shot and killed in Durban. I think it was his wallet they were after not a political statement.

That said, I do think there is a lot of positive discrimination out there (against whites). The simple fact that companies have to interview a certain number of non-caucasions when recruiting stinks in my opinion.

I have sympathy for anyone who is murdered as it must really put a crimp in your plans and whilst I would never deny there is not racism against whites do think the whole “whites are victims of racism too” card is on the whole knee jerky guff. Truth is in most parts of the world it is awesome being white and has been for pretty much every part of human history.

Would also be wary of those figures you quoted, spent about two minutes on google and found one source quoting them. Have to say it did not look too objective, the figures certainly differ somewhat from what other sources are quoting.

Its a valid point from victor actually, although this whole discussion should have been nipped in the bud when it deviated from racism in the sport to general society.

Aww. My heart bleeds. But this is a joke right vic? Vic?

ShahenshahG wrote:Its a valid point from victor actually, although this whole discussion should have been nipped in the bud when it deviated from racism in the sport to general society.

Its a nonsense. Crimes against whites in ZA is economic. The rich are targets.

Rowley wrote:I have sympathy for anyone who is murdered as it must really put a crimp in your plans and whilst I would never deny there is not racism against whites do think the whole “whites are victims of racism too” card is on the whole knee jerky guff. Truth is in most parts of the world it is awesome being white and has been for pretty much every part of human history.

Would also be wary of those figures you quoted, spent about two minutes on google and found one source quoting them. Have to say it did not look too objective, the figures certainly differ somewhat from what other sources are quoting.

The figures sound right consdering between 3000-6000 white farmers alone have been murdered in racially motivated murders in that period alone so it is not unfeasable to believe that 60,000 whites in total have been murdered in that period.

'Truth is in most parts of the world it is awesome being white and has been for pretty much every part of human history'. racism is and has to be a subjective test. Just because it might be easier finding a job in China if you are white does not mean youa re going to live a better life if you are white living in the north of Nigeria.

azania wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:Its a valid point from victor actually, although this whole discussion should have been nipped in the bud when it deviated from racism in the sport to general society.

Its a nonsense. Crimes against whites in ZA is economic. The rich are targets.

Actually in SA the white farmers who are murdered are murdered due to their skin colour. In the majority of the murders no property is stolen from the farms.

Reality is though most whites have no reason to live in the north of Nigeria because they are born or have economic opportunites in places that are not Nigeria.

Positive discrimination is one the particularly annoys me. It is only used because white men are generally the best candidate, it's a punishment brought on by past success.

Rowley wrote:Reality is though most whites have no reason to live in the north of Nigeria because they are born or have economic opportunites in places that are not Nigeria.

So what you are saying is that whites should stick to their country of birth if they want to remain safe?

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:Its a valid point from victor actually, although this whole discussion should have been nipped in the bud when it deviated from racism in the sport to general society.

Its a nonsense. Crimes against whites in ZA is economic. The rich are targets.

Actually in SA the white farmers who are murdered are murdered due to their skin colour. In the majority of the murders no property is stolen from the farms.

Is that what Stormfront says. Or rense.com

azania wrote:

victorgarco wrote:

azania wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:Its a valid point from victor actually, although this whole discussion should have been nipped in the bud when it deviated from racism in the sport to general society.

Its a nonsense. Crimes against whites in ZA is economic. The rich are targets.

Actually in SA the white farmers who are murdered are murdered due to their skin colour. In the majority of the murders no property is stolen from the farms.

Is that what Stormfront says. Or rense.com

This is why the debate on racism against whites is seldom because people such as yourself accuse others of being racist merely for highlighting that a certain race has been the victim of recent brutal racism.

victorgarco wrote:

Rowley wrote:Reality is though most whites have no reason to live in the north of Nigeria because they are born or have economic opportunites in places that are not Nigeria.

So what you are saying is that whites should stick to their country of birth if they want to remain safe?

Not at all.

Even in the London riots, blacks were specifically targeting white people... People come up with nonsense stories like they are making a stand against the system, in reality they are racist but for some reason society has issues with calling black people racist.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:. It is only used because white men are generally the best candidate,

Wow.

Rowley wrote:Reality is though most whites have no reason to live in the north of Nigeria because they are born or have economic opportunites in places that are not Nigeria.

Plenty of whites in north nigeria especially after oil was discovered last year. But the violence is along ethnic lines. Yoruba v Hausa. Kind of like the former jugoslavia. Religion is the excuse. The only time they got on was when they were fighting the Ibos during the Biafr war.

LJ you sound lkke someone looking for attention.