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Who is going to win
Ireland v England - Match Thread
by GunsGerms Mon 16 Feb 2015, 2:23 pm
First topic message reminder :
I know I am two weeks early but Ireland v England on Sunday 1st March will possibly be the 6 nations decider as both teams are the only two teams still undefeated in the 6 nations so far this year.
There are many different angles, plots and sub plots to this game. Here are some of the many things at stake:
Reaburn Shield:
Ireland have held it for 4 consecutive games having defeated previous holders SA in November.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raeburn_Shield
3rd place in rankings:
Triple Crown:
Only Ireland and England can still win this trophy and with due respect to Scotland and Wales who Ireland have yet to play to win it would be some achievement this year.
Grand Slam:
Only Ireland and England and win the slam.
6 nations title:
Obviously France and Wales are still in the running with only one loss but the bookies have Ireland and England as favorites at this point.
Millennium Trophy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Trophy
Eye on the WC:
The earliest Ireland and England could possibly meet at the WC is the Semi finals if they both win their pools and their quarter finals or both come runner up and win their quarters. Either way I think other fixtures such England v Wales and Ireland v France were more important for each nations WC preparations.
Ireland need one more win to tie their record of 10 sucessive wins.
Head to head record:
Overall: England 74 wins Ireland 46 wins
6Nations: England 7 wins Ireland 8 wins
Who is going to win and why?
http://www.espn.co.uk/six-nations-2015/rugby/story/256583.html
Phil Vickery predicts an England win.
Teams:
I know I am two weeks early but Ireland v England on Sunday 1st March will possibly be the 6 nations decider as both teams are the only two teams still undefeated in the 6 nations so far this year.
There are many different angles, plots and sub plots to this game. Here are some of the many things at stake:
Reaburn Shield:
Ireland have held it for 4 consecutive games having defeated previous holders SA in November.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raeburn_Shield
3rd place in rankings:
Triple Crown:
Only Ireland and England can still win this trophy and with due respect to Scotland and Wales who Ireland have yet to play to win it would be some achievement this year.
Grand Slam:
Only Ireland and England and win the slam.
6 nations title:
Obviously France and Wales are still in the running with only one loss but the bookies have Ireland and England as favorites at this point.
Millennium Trophy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Trophy
Eye on the WC:
The earliest Ireland and England could possibly meet at the WC is the Semi finals if they both win their pools and their quarter finals or both come runner up and win their quarters. Either way I think other fixtures such England v Wales and Ireland v France were more important for each nations WC preparations.
Ireland need one more win to tie their record of 10 sucessive wins.
Head to head record:
Overall: England 74 wins Ireland 46 wins
6Nations: England 7 wins Ireland 8 wins
Who is going to win and why?
http://www.espn.co.uk/six-nations-2015/rugby/story/256583.html
Phil Vickery predicts an England win.
Teams:
- England:
England side to face Ireland
15. Alex Goode (Saracens, 16 caps)
14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 6 caps)
13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 8 caps)
12. Luther Burrell (Northampton Saints, 9 caps)
11. Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 5 caps)
10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 8 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 44 caps)
1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 28 caps)
2. Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 63 caps)
3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 47 caps)
4. David Attwood (Bath Rugby, 18 caps)
5. George Kruis (Saracens, 6 caps)
6. James Haskell (Wasps, 55 caps)
7. Chris Robshaw (captain, Harlequins, 34 caps)
8. Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 14 caps)
- Ireland:
15. Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 59
14. Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 58
13. Jared Payne (Ulster) 3
12. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht) 7
11. Simon Zebo (Cork Con/Munster) 13
10. Johnny Sexton (Racing Metro) 48
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 32
1. Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 14
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) 80
3. Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster) 46
4. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 22
5. Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster) 98 captain
6. Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 27
7. Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 31
8. Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster) 6
Replacements
16. Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 40
17. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 48
18. Martin Moore (Lansdowne/Leinster) 7
19. Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 14
20. Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 7
21. Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster) 58
22. Ian Madigan (Blackrock/Leinster) 15
23. Felix Jones (Shannon/Munster) 10
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Sgt_Pooly Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:24 pm
We're trying to outplay Ireland by playing the Irish way, why?
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Geordie Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:24 pm
Well at least this might dispel the myth that we are one of the favourites for the WC.... The only WC after this performance is the toilet.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Hood83 Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:24 pm
Mako, hmm, fingers crossed for no scrums!
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by nathan Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:25 pm
He actually penalised someone for not being on there feet!
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Nachos Jones Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:25 pm
Jaysus, Cole just led with his head on Healey 
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by JDizzle Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:26 pm
That's one of the least obvious not supporting his own weights, yet that is the one Joubert penalises...
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by John Cregan Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:26 pm
The head butt has replaced the old fashioned handoff.................
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by nathan Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:26 pm
Nachos Jones wrote:Jaysus, Cole just led with his head on Healey
Don't be stupid
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by formerly known as Sam Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:27 pm
Cole didn't lead with his head. He dropped the shoulder and Healey tried to wrap him up. If your stupid enough to attempt a tackle that high you might expect a blow to the face. It's why you teach kids to go low and with the shoulder.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by quinsforever Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:27 pm
ball was on the ground and ruck formed.JDizzle wrote:That's one of the least obvious not supporting his own weights, yet that is the one Joubert penalises...
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Hood83 Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:28 pm
Both of our scrum halves are ditherers.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by nathan Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:28 pm
Forwards actually doing better now
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Notch Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:29 pm
One more score Ireland. Come on.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by JDizzle Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:29 pm
quinsforever wrote:ball was on the ground and ruck formed.JDizzle wrote:That's one of the least obvious not supporting his own weights, yet that is the one Joubert penalises...
What? He penalised playing the ball off his feet...
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Golden Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:29 pm
This where Earls or Fitz would have been more handy on the bench. Bowe to centre and jones on the wing
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Nachos Jones Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:29 pm
nathan wrote:Nachos Jones wrote:Jaysus, Cole just led with his head on Healey
Don't be stupid
Huh? He did, it was damn impressive and only one winner, Cole.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Hood83 Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:29 pm
That is pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Dithering from Wigglesworth followed by an aimless kick.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Cowshot Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:30 pm
Good to see us fighting back. Sometimes you just have to accept you've been outplayed and fight back by inches. It's probably not going to be enough to win this game, but I'm glad to see the fight.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by nathan Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:30 pm
We're still in this, but I doubt we'll win
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Golden Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:32 pm
Why does every Irish game have to end with tight finish
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Hood83 Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:32 pm
Oh that is a terrible decision.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by LeinsterFan4life Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:32 pm
Ireland always stop playing when they have the lead...
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by nathan Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:32 pm
GeordieFalcon wrote:What's that for?
Obstruction, he ran in to 36
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by quinsforever Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:33 pm
i know. his weight was on the ballJDizzle wrote:quinsforever wrote:ball was on the ground and ruck formed.JDizzle wrote:That's one of the least obvious not supporting his own weights, yet that is the one Joubert penalises...
What? He penalised playing the ball off his feet...
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Gwlad Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:33 pm
this is fast becoming a contest of who is less stupid, ireland stop playing while england go shot then they have width for a score….what i thought would be a superb spectacle has turned into a dreary dirge
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Nachos Jones Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:33 pm
Golden wrote:Why does every Irish game have to end with tight finish
Because its Schmidts plan...
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by MarcusHalberstram Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:33 pm
Ireland look in trouble after the raft of subs... Come on boys, hold on!
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by quinsforever Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:34 pm
my bbc feed is a bit dodgy. wasnt that a try? what did i miss?
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Sgt_Pooly Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:35 pm
Cole having a strong 2nd half
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by nathan Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:35 pm
What? That didn't go forward did it?
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Nachos Jones Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:35 pm
Garsh on England there, that looked backwards to me.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Hood83 Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:36 pm
Gwlad wrote:this is fast becoming a contest of who is less stupid, ireland stop playing while england go shot then they have width for a score….what i thought would be a superb spectacle has turned into a dreary dirge
Haha. We have been braindead haven't we. We've been completely second best, but I do think some of the ref decisions could have gone our way and got us a lot closer on the scoreboard.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Gwlad Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:37 pm
quinsforever wrote:my bbc feed is a bit dodgy. wasnt that a try? what did i miss?
only another england foul up, easter this time
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Geordie Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:37 pm
Twelvetrees is crap. Drop him out the squad!!!
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by jbeadlesbigrighthand Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:37 pm
How many penalties have England given away now? Terrible.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by quinsforever Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:37 pm
aviva's 50,00 refs getting the better of joubert too.
lets hope HQ has a similar impact on refs at RWC
lets hope HQ has a similar impact on refs at RWC
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by kingelderfield Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:39 pm
Probably a little early for Cipriani
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by Nachos Jones Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:41 pm
Oh dear, that is harsh. That didn't look forward at all.
Not the best of games but kept England tryless.
Not the best of games but kept England tryless.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by formerly known as Sam Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:41 pm
Joubert is not an international standard ref.
England seem to have several players that are not international quality players.
Ireland have a very good strategy and a well versed team. Don't look the same team without Sexton. Also thought Murray should have been man of the match not Henshaw.
England seem to have several players that are not international quality players.
Ireland have a very good strategy and a well versed team. Don't look the same team without Sexton. Also thought Murray should have been man of the match not Henshaw.
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Re: Ireland v England - Match Thread
by nathan Sun 01 Mar 2015, 4:41 pm
Congrats Ireland, trying to work out which was worse. The reffing team or England
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