Rhys Webb AWJ Scott Williams, Dan Biggar and gareth Anscombe signed a dual contract.

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Just saw on Twitter that Webb is signed up too..

Why has Faletau not been signed up to an NDC?

LondonTiger wrote:Why has Faletau not been signed up to an NDC?

I've heard he really dislikes missing any games for the Dragons and is therefore unhappy with the limitations a NDC could put on his game time for his region.

Yeah that is one of the main reasons as if he had his way he would play every game. The Dragons are trying to persuade him to sign one though as they realise its the only way they could keep hold of him when his current deal is up.

Wales online have said the NDCs are allowed 16 games (6 euro, 6 derby, 4 other), so don't expect to see these stars playing at home too often.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Wales online have said the NDCs are allowed 16 games (6 euro, 6 derby, 4 other), so don't expect to see these stars playing at home too often.

And that is where the marketing will still struggle, a young fan will want to go to his Region to watch the stars/his idols play but if not getting many home games he will be disappointed.

With regards the 16 games I am guessing it will start from next season otherwise some of the players who have just signed will have reached that limit already or near to it.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Wales online have said the NDCs are allowed 16 games (6 euro, 6 derby, 4 other), so don't expect to see these stars playing at home too often.

Flexible too. Not set in stone. No difference from before as far as I can tell. Get rid of the extra AI would be good though.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-3011715/Taulupe-Faletau-set-join-Welsh-exodus-Bath-line-Lions-No-8-season.html

Any chance it's true?

BamBam,

He is currently in 'on-going' negotiations with the Dragons but the stumbling block is the proposed 16 game limit as Taulupe would play every game if he had his way.

I very much doubt if we (Dragons) could afford to keep him on a stand alone contract so a DC would be the way ahead for the Dragons.

Lets hope they can come up to an agreement with him.

I thought it was 16 Pro 12 games (out of 22)? These 16 including the 6 Welsh derbies.

BamBam wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-3011715/Taulupe-Faletau-set-join-Welsh-exodus-Bath-line-Lions-No-8-season.html

Any chance it's true?

Similar to Jamie Roberts if he signs for Harlequins he will fall foul of Gatland's Law which is to be enforced. Will he give up International rugby to play for Bath?

There is no Gatland's Law

He needs all the best players he can have and if people want to go to England or France for some decent money and competitive rugby then they can

And technically Gatland is breaking EU laws by stopping people playing for Wales if they are good enough

Steffan wrote:There is no Gatland's Law

He needs all the best players he can have and if people want to go to England or France for some decent money and competitive rugby then they can

And technically Gatland is breaking EU laws by stopping people playing for Wales if they are good enough

Moot point that one Steffan though would deb happy to see it tested.

Steffan wrote:There is no Gatland's Law

He needs all the best players he can have and if people want to go to England or France for some decent money and competitive rugby then they can

And technically Gatland is breaking EU laws by stopping people playing for Wales if they are good enough

Part of the new deal with the regions and all this Dual contract stuff was that 'Gatlands Law' which was previously just paid lip service would be enforced and players only selected in exceptional circumstances. It wouldn't apply to players already outside Wales though.

As for breaking EU law, well are they going to tell the coach who he can and can't pick?

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Wales online have said the NDCs are allowed 16 games (6 euro, 6 derby, 4 other), so don't expect to see these stars playing at home too often.

Showing some great optimism that the regions will be reaching playoffs and European quarter-finals there!

I assume those games are not included?

doctornickolas wrote:As for breaking EU law, well are they going to tell the coach who he can and can't pick?

No but if some player is on brilliant form and Gatland has to admit that the reason he isn't being picked is due to him playing in another country then technically that is discrimination and there could be an inquiry if that player decides to take it to the European court

Steffan wrote:

doctornickolas wrote:As for breaking EU law, well are they going to tell the coach who he can and can't pick?

No but if some player is on brilliant form and Gatland has to admit that the reason he isn't being picked is due to him playing in another country then technically that is discrimination and there could be an inquiry if that player decides to take it to the European court

I guess so. What you describe is exactly the case with Armitage in France. Not selected as England will only select from home based players.

I guess signing a dual contract garantee's that you well play for country (Wales) in this case. But what after signing these contracts you are deemed not good enough to play for your country. Or are they only given to certain players that are good enough.?

And slightly off topic is Mike Phillips still in the Welsh squad? Or has he been dropped in place of Rys Webb.

Steffan wrote:

doctornickolas wrote:As for breaking EU law, well are they going to tell the coach who he can and can't pick?

No but if some player is on brilliant form and Gatland has to admit that the reason he isn't being picked is due to him playing in another country then technically that is discrimination and there could be an inquiry if that player decides to take it to the European court

I doubt there could ever be a court case where a court ruled that an international sports coach had to pick a certain player, and in not doing so was a breach of some employment law. This is where sports and employment law do not always mix well. You cannot impose some employment laws on sport. It just isn't enforceable, in some cases.

Notch wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Wales online have said the NDCs are allowed 16 games (6 euro, 6 derby, 4 other), so don't expect to see these stars playing at home too often.

Showing some great optimism that the regions will be reaching playoffs and European quarter-finals there!

I assume those games are not included?

They are available for all knockout stages. I wonder if we make an LV= knockout stage if we can play them if their not in the six nations match day squad?

majesticimperialman wrote:I guess signing a dual contract garantee's that you well play for country (Wales) in this case. But what after signing these contracts you are deemed not good enough to play for your country. Or are they only given to certain players that are good enough.?

And slightly off topic is Mike Phillips still in the Welsh squad? Or has he been dropped in place of Rys Webb.

I'm guessing if your not up to it your not going to play. Hallam Amos and Tylor Morgan are on them but didn't feature in the six nations at all. Also with the likes of Samson and Rhodri both being on Dual Contracts at tightness, and Biggar and Annscome at fly half, there will be a Dual Contract lad missing out.

Steff, Gats doesn't have to admit he isn't selecting them because they play elsewhere. The Scottish ignore Barclay regardless of his quality still.

A players quality is only really down to how people see it. Just look at the discussions on here about who should be playing in the centre. You could argue dropping Foxy for Scott as Foxy isn't as good defensively as Roberts. Or drop Roberts as Foxy works better with Scott. Same with the constant North, Cuthbert, Halfpenny, Williams, Amos back three debate.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Steff, Gats doesn't have to admit he isn't selecting them because they play elsewhere.  The Scottish ignore Barclay regardless of his quality still.

A players quality is only really down to how people see it.  Just look at the discussions on here about who should be playing in the centre.  You could argue dropping Foxy for Scott as Foxy isn't as good defensively as Roberts.  Or drop Roberts as Foxy works better with Scott.  Same with the constant North, Cuthbert, Halfpenny, Williams, Amos back three debate.

Exactly. Employment law is is not able to be applied to something as subjective as sports team selection.

Steffan wrote:There is no Gatland's Law

He needs all the best players he can have and if people want to go to England or France for some decent money and competitive rugby then they can

And technically Gatland is breaking EU laws by stopping people playing for Wales if they are good enough

I agree there is no Gatlands Law, the 'exceptional circumstances' stated in the recent announcement means he can pick who he wants when he wants and for me that's how it should be. I don't think we can afford to ignore players because of where they play.

As for breaking EU law well if that was true then surely someone like Armitage boys would have tested the ruling by now. There is no way it can be proved that a coach is not picking a player because of where he plays.

Griff, I have done a few courses about diversity in the workplace etc, and there are quite a few tricks that can be done to avoid technically breaking any rules, and that is in a regular workplace, so definitely there are plenty of loopholes in sport.