Frampton/Quigg same as Haye/Enzo and pre fight thoughts.

Does anybody else see a similarity between the two fights? We have a mostly regarded world class fighter in Frampton who has his owe agenda and is not with a mainstream promoter against a well promoted but paper type champion with minimal fanfare and attraction. Haye showed vulnerability in fights prior to Enzo which apparently convinced Warren to take the plunge. Could the Mcguigans have pulled off a similar masterstroke? Will Frampton prove to be miles too good like Haye did? Will Quigg drift in to mediocrity like Enzo? Is he just a hype job?

Also I have read Frampton was not sweating at the open workout. Which could mean weight issues. Would he be dehydrating already? The workout was on Monday.... My main concern as a Frampton fan is Quiggs size. In the promotional work Quigg looks so much bigger... but the piece I read on weight said Quigg was sweating and looked happy and healthy at the open workout... as a naturally bigger lad how would he be making weight so much easier? I don't get it.... Hoping Frampton does it but getting more worried by the day.

No similarity at all.....Maccarinelli was as ordinary as the day is long..

Picked Haye to stop him in three..

These two are both talented..

In terms of making weight, some people can drop it and put it back on naturally much easier. Sometimes it's just genetics. Framptons frame is very squat, Quiggs more lean.

In terms of certain things, yes they are similar to Haye/Enzo, Framptons camp saying last time out they struggled with weight, he looked poorer than normal last time out. Difference being, Quiggs camp genuinely wanted the fight before, Enzos team only wanted it once they felt they had the upper hand. Plus, Enzo was crap, Quigg isn't. Pure and simple, Enzo was average in an average division, Haye was quality in an average division. Frampton and Quigg have both shown over recent performances they both have quality in a quality division.

No real similarities, Warren made the Haye fight for Enzo because he was conned into thinking that he had real issues making weight when he didn't. As Truss has alluded to Haye was/is a quality operator with a devastating punch, he held every single advantage in that fight, this one however is more evenly spread.

Quigg as a bit of a fitness freak is in shape all year round so cutting the weight probably isn't a problem, Frampton on the other hand has looked chubby in between fights so whilst being smaller has more weight to actually cut.

Definitely not Haye v Enzo.

Still going to be quite one sided Imo.

I don't think there is miles between the respective records of Quigg now and Enzo then. Both have title reigns but doubts about both.... Quigg hasn't done anything great so far... put down at British title level... Drew with Salinas who went on to be knocked out by a journeyman... where was his power then? His best win was against someone Frampton knocked out two years before. The manner of it was impressive but we don't know what Kiko has left. I am hoping he is being overestimated as I really want a Frampton win.

Also I'm fairly sure at the time Haye was favourite but Enzo a very live underdog and fancied by quite a few. We were fooled in to thinking he had a chance so we could have been fooled in to thinking this is closet than it actually is. Amazing how time changes things.

leedizzle1986 wrote:I don't think there is miles between the respective records of Quigg now and Enzo then. Both have title reigns but doubts about both.... Quigg hasn't done anything great so far... put down at British title level... Drew with Salinas who went on to be knocked out by a journeyman... where was his power then? His best win was against someone Frampton knocked out two years before. The manner of it was impressive but we don't know what Kiko has left. I am hoping he is being overestimated as I really want a Frampton win.

I think the last words of that paragraph sums it up really. The only difference between their records is that Frampton fought Martinez earlier but Quigg then has Munroe which is a better win than any of Frampton's others.

leedizzle1986 wrote:I don't think there is miles between the respective records of Quigg now and Enzo then. Both have title reigns but doubts about both.... Quigg hasn't done anything great so far... put down at British title level... Drew with Salinas who went on to be knocked out by a journeyman... where was his power then? His best win was against someone Frampton knocked out two years before. The manner of it was impressive but we don't know what Kiko has left. I am hoping he is being overestimated as I really want a Frampton win.

Seeing as you've just given him a biased one sided trashing in your post I'm surprised you see Frampo struggling...

If you can't see Quigg has more talent than Maccarinelli....Then what can I say..

What has Quigg done now that Enzo hadn't then?

What has Framtpon done that Enzo hadn't?

Funny really because Haye fans still list Macrinelli as a great win for Haye. Can see similarities in the lack of depth of both divisions in question. Also I expect the winner will go onto big things without ever really taking on their other main rivals in the division.

Domestic fights for titles can sell big so they are constantly exaggerated into something they are not. I don't think either guy would have generated quite as much excitement had it not been for the other being on the horizon. Quigg doesn't even headline arenas normally and if he loses he could soon become overlooked and be the next Cleverly or Enzo. Could win though. This is a more competitive fight than Haye Enzo. I thought that had an obvious conclusion.

If Frampton wins easy, will you guys admit you're wrong?

I certainly will if Quigg wins. I think this will be no more difficult than Martinez for Frampton.

Frampton has won a genuine world title against a defending champion. Something Enzo and Quigg failed to do.

leedizzle1986 wrote:Frampton has won a genuine world title against a defending champion. Something Enzo and Quigg failed to do.

He's not really a genuine world champion is he, that would be Rigondeaux, when there is an unequivocal number one the alphabets don't mean a thing.

AdamT wrote:If Frampton wins easy, will you guys admit you're wrong?

I certainly will if Quigg wins. I think this will be no more difficult than Martinez for Frampton.

Wrong about what ??

If Frampton wins I'll still think Quigg is much better than Enzo...Just that Frampo is better..

I'm already picking Frampo to win anyway...

Got respect for both Quigg and Frampton..

leedizzle1986 wrote:What has Quigg done now that Enzo hadn't then?

He has never had his arse handed to him by a fighter of the level of Lee Swaby.

I think that this fight is a tough call as both have talent. I think that Frampton is the better boxer but Quigg is pretty handy too. I have a sneaky suspicion thought that Quigg will catch Frampton despite everything my head tells me. Just a hunch. Quigg by KO very early on or later when behind. If it goes the distance it's Frampton's fight.

The weigh in for Haye Maccarinelli was brilliant. Watch Frank Warren's face as Haye looks happy and superbly fit at 198 lbs. He knew it was all over then.

Really harsh on Enzo who just devastatingly knocked out Roy Jones Jr, something Eubank and Benn never managed to do.......

God I hope Quigg knocks him out just to shut up some of the ridiculous fan boys, both good fighters but so much drivel about how much better Carl is. I'm not buying it and I hope Scott proves me right on Saturday,

Not happening Kareem.

Can't see the similarity myself - think Frampton takes this , just seems more fluid and better rounded fighter than Quigg. I look at the Salinas fight and Quigg was quite poor, one paced, looked easy to outbox and never got going until late on - think he will give a right old go and cause Frampton some problems but see him busted up and pulled out around 10 rounds.

Cheers, Rodders

Rodney wrote:Can't see the similarity myself - think Frampton takes this , just seems more fluid and better rounded fighter than Quigg. I look at the Salinas fight and Quigg was quite poor, one paced, looked easy to outbox and never got going until late on - think he will give a right old go and cause Frampton some problems but see him busted up and pulled out around 10 rounds.

Cheers, Rodders

My thoughts exactly. Frampton has an extra level. He will be on his A game. If he makes it past the first couple without a scare, he will walk it.

AdamT wrote:

Rodney wrote:Can't see the similarity myself - think Frampton takes this , just seems more fluid and better rounded fighter than Quigg. I look at the Salinas fight and Quigg was quite poor, one paced, looked easy to outbox and never got going until late on - think he will give a right old go and cause Frampton some problems but see him busted up and pulled out around 10 rounds.

Cheers, Rodders

My thoughts exactly. Frampton has an extra level. He will be on his A game. If he makes it past the first couple without a scare, he will walk it.

And Quigg will just be going through the motions will he, Rodders? I think they'll both be bang up for this one and I think Quigg will give a damned good account of himself. I lean slightly towards Frampton but with Quigg having nothing to lose it really wouldn't surprise me if he pulled off what would be considered a shock. Just hope it lives up to expectations and we get an entertaining fight with no controversy

The closer it gets the more I think that Frampton might just pull out a worldy of a performance and win comfortable. Not sure why other than me usually getting my predictions completely wrong.

DAVE667 wrote:

AdamT wrote:

Rodney wrote:Can't see the similarity myself - think Frampton takes this , just seems more fluid and better rounded fighter than Quigg. I look at the Salinas fight and Quigg was quite poor, one paced, looked easy to outbox and never got going until late on - think he will give a right old go and cause Frampton some problems but see him busted up and pulled out around 10 rounds.

Cheers, Rodders

My thoughts exactly. Frampton has an extra level. He will be on his A game. If he makes it past the first couple without a scare, he will walk it.

And Quigg will just be going through the motions will he, Rodders?  I think they'll both be bang up for this one and I think Quigg will give a damned good account of himself. I lean slightly towards Frampton but with Quigg having nothing to lose it really wouldn't surprise me if he pulled off what would be considered a shock. Just hope it lives up to expectations and we get an entertaining fight with no controversy

Dont think he'll be going through the motions, Dave. I imagine he'll be bang up for it and giving it his all - my example was he was right up for it against Salinas but couldn't seem to fathom him out, if he labours like that against Frampton and doesn't fire it will be a one sided beatdown.

Cheers, Rodders

Seems to be some under-estimating going on here..

Quigg isn't easy for anybody including Rigo..

I have Frampo by comfortable decision but only because he pulls away after a torrid first half..

Comfortable stoppage for me. Time will tell.

I'm hoping this is the fight of the year, I pick Frampton, but to dismiss Quigg is madness, quality fighter to me.

I never take much notice of what boxers or so called experts think, their opinion has no more clout than mine or anyone on here.

Enzo/Haye comparison do me a favour.

I'm hoping it's fight of the year too. Because I'm forking out for it and the undercard stinks. Anything but an early blow out will do for me.

I maybe do overestimate Frampton, but I think he is class. Of course Quigg is a good fighter. If Frampton makes a mistake, he will pay severely.

Apparently there is a dressing room row...Frampo wants the home dressing room...

Plus a shoving match at today's conference..

All a bit kindergarten-ish..

I think Quigg by late stoppage, I think Frampton has issues at the weight and they pretty much confirmed it after his last fight. I was actually surprised he took this fight, I expected him to move up a weight.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Apparently there is a dressing room row...Frampo wants the home dressing room...

Plus a shoving match at today's conference..

All a bit kindergarten-ish..

Not even hard Truss, heads or tails, winner picks the dressing room, loser picks his dummy and rattle up.

The 'A' side should have the choice.

Nico the gman wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Apparently there is a dressing room row...Frampo wants the home dressing room...

Plus a shoving match at today's conference..

All a bit kindergarten-ish..

Not even hard Truss, heads or tails, winner picks the dressing room, loser picks his dummy and rattle up.

Quigg is right to stand firm...........Frampo has had every concession already.....Purse.....Poster...Ring entrance...

Home fighter should have home dressing room.....

AdamT wrote:The 'A' side should have the choice.

The A side usually fights at home, don't think either is a household name.

As Frampton said just lock the door to that one and both use the same sized room.

Frampton looked overly rattled to me. The weight issue is big as neither can put more than 10lb on by tomorrow morning as they're being re-weighed.

C'mon Quigglet!

Has Watt picked a winner yet....??

Just want to know where all the close rounds will be going to..

Just watched the press conference, Blain McGuigan should have not bothered sitting down. Was a good presser.

Hearn, Gallagher and Quigg have really wound Team Frampton up - Hearn and Gallagher wind me up and I'm not involved!

Carl doesn't look great to me (physically). I just wonder if he's really struggled to get the weight right this time.

Frampton is the better fighter and should prevail but I much prefer the cut of Quigg's jib this week.

Frampton looks really rattled and he completely walked into a poop storm when he said 'I don't care what dressing room I have' Considering Quiggs thick he didn't half jump in quick with a 'well i'll take it then'. Cue Framps getting flustered as anything.

Still saying Quiggy late KO

Good to see you posting mate, but I hope you're wrong. Ha!

Cheers Ad, i've not been well lately so haven't been arsed posting (It takes energy to argue ) plus I started my coaching level 1 course last week and am recovering from that too

I just hope it's a cracker and really hope Framps doesn't get screwed if it's a close one. I want Quigg to win but if Frampsy does enough (and doesn't get the nod) i'll be on here saying as much

The coaching going well mate? Glad to see you progressing. Well done man and stick at it!!

All we've heard is how Quigg isn't marketable......Frampton is the name.....

"60/40"............."Quigg fights on undercards"..."It's going to be like Belfast on the 27th"..

Frampton hasn't sold all his tickets....and Quigg has...

Beginning to look like jerks the Frampton team..

Quigg will get his dressing room..

Hope Quigg wins...

I was thinking today that that's probably the main reason Framps is stressed. Scott's got rid of his tickets and it's a massive sellout to him which I don't think he thought would happen. Hope it's close enough we get a couple of fights out of these 2

Yeah Ad, it's going good, no sure i'll pass this time as there were massive gaps in my knowledge but if not i'll be down for the next one

The tickets that came back were from the undercard fighters (top end of the price scale) - which is pretty normal.

I'm sure there'll be more of a racket for Frampton than Quigg.

hazharrison wrote:The tickets that came back were from the undercard fighters (top end of the price scale) - which is pretty normal.

I'm sure there'll be more of a racket for Frampton than Quigg.

They didn't sell their allocation.........Hearn was very clear in the press conference when he was taking the p**s....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:The tickets that came back were from the undercard fighters (top end of the price scale) - which is pretty normal.

I'm sure there'll be more of a racket for Frampton than Quigg.

They didn't sell their allocation.........Hearn was very clear in the press conference when he was taking the p**s....

And they were very clear in their response - the tickets that came back were from the undercard fighters.