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KP_fan- Posts : 10499
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Im trying not to get overly carried away off the back of a good 80 something on a flat wicket against shoddy bowling and fielding. Maybe its the sheer number of recent disappointments that have gone through the revolving door. Lyths century bought him a decent spell in the side and criticism for the selectors by sticking by him too long.
Its a good series for him to settle in though, as someones pointed out the summer may be a bit different...as indeed by be the raging burner likely to be up next.
Its certainly looking a lot rosier in the top 4 than it was a couple of weeks ago though. And the lad has credit in the bank, and hopefully confidence to boot.
As for Anderson not playing if fit, can anyone imagine England making that call? If hes ready Im pretty certain he will play. An undercooked Anderson would be problematic though and I can understand the suggestion to leave him out, if theres any doubt as to his recovery then yes but a fully fixed Anderson short of time in the middle.
Its a good series for him to settle in though, as someones pointed out the summer may be a bit different...as indeed by be the raging burner likely to be up next.
Its certainly looking a lot rosier in the top 4 than it was a couple of weeks ago though. And the lad has credit in the bank, and hopefully confidence to boot.
As for Anderson not playing if fit, can anyone imagine England making that call? If hes ready Im pretty certain he will play. An undercooked Anderson would be problematic though and I can understand the suggestion to leave him out, if theres any doubt as to his recovery then yes but a fully fixed Anderson short of time in the middle.
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Well Guildford, not a bad one there!!
Actually, don't have too much of a problem with him as an ODI bowler. But think I have lost patience with him in tests. The guy has some ability. He started well at the top level, but believe me, that was 8 bloody years ago! Think that says it all. A story of inconsistency. Because he does have some ability, keeps getting chances, but because he's so inconsistent, he keeps messing up the opportunities. Think its time, like Imran Tahir, Mishra is considered more of an ODI specialist, and an opportunity be given to the likes of Kuldeep Yadav, the Chinaman bowler from UP....... Kuldeep is developing the kind of consistency needed for international consideration this season. And England wouldn't have much exposure to his style of bowling, and despite their much improved performance against spin on an flat wicket, there are not many better sides to introduce a young spinner to test cricket than England, perhaps other than the FTBs from Australia who can't play spin, swing or seam....... But as KPF says, think Mishra would get another go unless Kohli opts for 4 bowlers. If it is a proper spinning track, perhaps 6 batsmen would be the way to go about. In that case, even then there can be an opening for Mishra, as Umesh can be benched for the particular game, not because he bowled badly, but because a 2nd seamer is unlikely to bowl very many overs....... But if Amit fails in the next test, someone like Kuldeep should be introduced.......
Actually, don't have too much of a problem with him as an ODI bowler. But think I have lost patience with him in tests. The guy has some ability. He started well at the top level, but believe me, that was 8 bloody years ago! Think that says it all. A story of inconsistency. Because he does have some ability, keeps getting chances, but because he's so inconsistent, he keeps messing up the opportunities. Think its time, like Imran Tahir, Mishra is considered more of an ODI specialist, and an opportunity be given to the likes of Kuldeep Yadav, the Chinaman bowler from UP....... Kuldeep is developing the kind of consistency needed for international consideration this season. And England wouldn't have much exposure to his style of bowling, and despite their much improved performance against spin on an flat wicket, there are not many better sides to introduce a young spinner to test cricket than England, perhaps other than the FTBs from Australia who can't play spin, swing or seam....... But as KPF says, think Mishra would get another go unless Kohli opts for 4 bowlers. If it is a proper spinning track, perhaps 6 batsmen would be the way to go about. In that case, even then there can be an opening for Mishra, as Umesh can be benched for the particular game, not because he bowled badly, but because a 2nd seamer is unlikely to bowl very many overs....... But if Amit fails in the next test, someone like Kuldeep should be introduced.......
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Im not convinced by Ansari, not sure he is quite good enough at international level (yet). So id bring in Anderson for him.
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:VTR wrote:Yes - I was only joking on Hales really, I am no expert but some commentators are pointing out that Hameed doesn't seem to have an obvious weakness whereas Hales is set up to be caught in the slips sooner rather than later
There was a thought on the county scene that he can be troubled by the short ball...but that won't be tested here.
Much like Cook/Root when they came into the side, it's clear he's got the talent to be something special. But like those two there are likely to be rough patches, but he must be stuck with until he cracks it like they have done so!
Yes - I'd heard that. It's the away Ashes next year, so getting ahead but he would be tested there! He does indeed look the most promising since Cook and Root and is worth investing in. Equally, if he doesn't go well at some point the selectors should let him have some time back in county cricket as they did with Root to get his confidence back
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jimbohammers wrote:Im not convinced by Ansari, not sure he is quite good enough at international level (yet). So id bring in Anderson for him.
Word is its going to be a spinners paradise. Weakening the batting and spin in that circumstance seems off the table. If it is a results wicket/ 3 day pitch 4 seamers become a truly needless luxury.
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I would bring in a fully fit Anderson for Ansari. Even on a spinning wicket 2 frontline spinners should be enough. There is always the possibility that too many options can cause confusion unless the captain is very clear in his own mind about the different roles of each option.
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So cook wouldnt get confused by having 4 seamers ?
Theres a serious chance India will go in with 1.
Theres a serious chance India will go in with 1.
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If Stokes is tiring or Anderson needing his workload managed then that might come into the equation too. Bayliss will be desperate to have both involved for as much as the series as possible. If that meant having a 4th seamer who can take some of that load then he might go for that.
I personally think they'll stick with Ansari for the different angle against the right handers.
I think it will be a case of Woakes or Ansari though, I don't think Batty will come into the equation just yet. Although I think he will feature as the series goes on for his experience as others tire.
Bayliss tends to think well ahead and managing his bowlers work load will be very much in his mind for a 5 test series in India. Especially when Moeen and Stokes are also being relied on to stay in the middle as proper batsmen as well.
I personally think they'll stick with Ansari for the different angle against the right handers.
I think it will be a case of Woakes or Ansari though, I don't think Batty will come into the equation just yet. Although I think he will feature as the series goes on for his experience as others tire.
Bayliss tends to think well ahead and managing his bowlers work load will be very much in his mind for a 5 test series in India. Especially when Moeen and Stokes are also being relied on to stay in the middle as proper batsmen as well.
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Gooseberry wrote:So cook wouldnt get confused by having 4 seamers ?
Theres a serious chance India will go in with 1.
Seen as he normally captains with 4 seamers, I would doubt it would confuse him. However, managing three spinners is another matter.
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LiT - if it's a spinner's wicket, do you really need as many as 4 seamers in the same team? Certainly seems one too many to me - assuming you're comfortable with Moeen and Rashid doing all the slow bowling and don't feel the need for the back up of Ansari's (or Batty's) bowling, wouldn't we be better off with an extra batsman?
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Vizag by all accounts is going to be spinning like the pitches in Bangladesh - would be utter madness to go in with only 2 spinners. Heck I would be half tempted to play all 4!
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I agree that 3 seamers should be more than adequate. In reality stokes for me is still for the moment more of a batsman than a bowler. I guess my problem is that I want a fully fit Anderson in the team, but not at the expense of Woakes who has had a very good year with both ball and bat. Therefore the only weak link would be one of the spinners.
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That might be so but a weak link spinner is more likely to take wickets than a possibly economical Woakes, long term he's becoming a certainty in the 11 but not in the subcontinent.
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As much as I love Woakes, and he has been England's best seamer this year - he is probably most vulnerable to Anderson coming back in. Could probably do with a rest too tbfHammersmith harrier wrote:That might be so but a weak link spinner is more likely to take wickets than a possibly economical Woakes, long term he's becoming a certainty in the 11 but not in the subcontinent.
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I guess the bottom line is I don't trust our spinners to either keep it tight or take sufficient wickets even on a pitch turning square. Hopefully they prove me wrong taking 15+ wickets in the next game, but my fear is there performance in the first game will prove to be their best performance of the series.
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I don't see how an extra seamer is the answer to that problem, on a surface that offered nothing to the bowlers it was the spinners who took the wickets. Keeping it tight is all well and good but when it doesn't result in wickets it doesn't really matter.
Woakes- 1 @ 63
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Hameed just looks much much better than any of his predecessors for Cook's partner though. Technique better, temperament betterGooseberry wrote:Im trying not to get overly carried away off the back of a good 80 something on a flat wicket against shoddy bowling and fielding. Maybe its the sheer number of recent disappointments that have gone through the revolving door. Lyths century bought him a decent spell in the side and criticism for the selectors by sticking by him too long.
Its a good series for him to settle in though, as someones pointed out the summer may be a bit different...as indeed by be the raging burner likely to be up next.
Its certainly looking a lot rosier in the top 4 than it was a couple of weeks ago though. And the lad has credit in the bank, and hopefully confidence to boot.
As for Anderson not playing if fit, can anyone imagine England making that call? If hes ready Im pretty certain he will play. An undercooked Anderson would be problematic though and I can understand the suggestion to leave him out, if theres any doubt as to his recovery then yes but a fully fixed Anderson short of time in the middle.
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't see how an extra seamer is the answer to that problem, on a surface that offered nothing to the bowlers it was the spinners who took the wickets. Keeping it tight is all well and good but when it doesn't result in wickets it doesn't really matter.
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An extra seamer isn't the answer per se. I would prefer to replace Woakes with Anderson, and the third spinner with a top six batsman. However, in the squad there isn't an obvious choice. Keeping it tight normally results in creating wickets often for others and so isn't represented in a quick look at the figures. It is highly possible that without the economical efforts of broad and Woakes the spinners wouldn't have been nearly so effective. Your stats highlight my fear...Rashid had a very good game...recent history suggests he will be unable to follow it with another.
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following his 76 in the first inning....KL Rahull made an unbeaten 32 in the second inning....no problem reported when fielding....watched by 2 selectors and Indian team physio monitored his fitness levels...
all of this attention to him indicates he is in the scheme of things for T2
all of this attention to him indicates he is in the scheme of things for T2
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and Rahul is back.....it was quite evident from the attention the selectors and team management gave him.......that they wanted him back...and he will play
and that's the end of the road for Gambhir's test career I am afraid
and that's the end of the road for Gambhir's test career I am afraid
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Hardly surprising, Gambhir looked like a walking wicket in the first Test, that too on a flat pitch, so understandable that India want Rahul back asap.
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And Rahul is continuing from where he left off before his injury, the first innings 50 followed up with a 2nd innings hundred. Hope he continues much the same in the test matches....... And a good call from the selectors and team management to bring him back straight away for the 2nd test itself.
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ChequeredJersey wrote:Hameed just looks much much better than any of his predecessors for Cook's partner though. Technique better, temperament betterGooseberry wrote:Im trying not to get overly carried away off the back of a good 80 something on a flat wicket against shoddy bowling and fielding. Maybe its the sheer number of recent disappointments that have gone through the revolving door. Lyths century bought him a decent spell in the side and criticism for the selectors by sticking by him too long.
Its a good series for him to settle in though, as someones pointed out the summer may be a bit different...as indeed by be the raging burner likely to be up next.
Its certainly looking a lot rosier in the top 4 than it was a couple of weeks ago though. And the lad has credit in the bank, and hopefully confidence to boot.
As for Anderson not playing if fit, can anyone imagine England making that call? If hes ready Im pretty certain he will play. An undercooked Anderson would be problematic though and I can understand the suggestion to leave him out, if theres any doubt as to his recovery then yes but a fully fixed Anderson short of time in the middle.
...and exactly the sort of player we used to moan at England for picking. "Far too pedestrian, will put pressure on Cook to score runs, will get the top 3 bogged down, everyone else is picking ODI players to open etc." Lots of people were predicting that Hales had all the elements and a technique of a great modern opener, Englands Sehwag/Gilchrist/Chuck Norris etc. .... that last a few weeks. Trott was always talked up as an opener and having the right technique and mindset (although to be fair he had mentally pooed the bed by the point he was tried). Even mighty Joe Root couldnt hack it in the top 3, and we cant complain about his technique.
Im just refusing to get over excited. He really needs to leave Lancashire and join Surrey before we can start talking him up.
As its panned out this series looks like an excellent one for him to debut in though, and build up a level of experience and confidence for the summer. Bangladesh may have been a tougher prospect with the bouncier pitches bringing a lot of new ball wickets, whereas India look pretty toothless upfront so far. If England keep batting first he will get the pick of the conditions to bat in.
The pressure on his place is perhaps lower as well with Duckett already having been tried and not taking his chance as well as Hameed has, and also finding a spot lower down the order. Hes not going to be looking over his shoulder for the time being with all other options having been exhausted. Getting a good score in his first match takes that pressure off too. The media and fans are on his side too, overhypings dangerous but its better than snipeing and questioning for sure.
Overall its a great opportunity he has now to get some more decent scores and become settled ahead of the summer which will bring very different challeneges for him. The question about his ability to face hostile swing bolwing and helpful pitches will need answering before we can hail him as the new Atherton.
But hey Im not knocking optimism. Im just sick of the dissapointments.
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Gooseberry wrote:ChequeredJersey wrote:Hameed just looks much much better than any of his predecessors for Cook's partner though. Technique better, temperament betterGooseberry wrote:Im trying not to get overly carried away off the back of a good 80 something on a flat wicket against shoddy bowling and fielding. Maybe its the sheer number of recent disappointments that have gone through the revolving door. Lyths century bought him a decent spell in the side and criticism for the selectors by sticking by him too long.
Its a good series for him to settle in though, as someones pointed out the summer may be a bit different...as indeed by be the raging burner likely to be up next.
Its certainly looking a lot rosier in the top 4 than it was a couple of weeks ago though. And the lad has credit in the bank, and hopefully confidence to boot.
As for Anderson not playing if fit, can anyone imagine England making that call? If hes ready Im pretty certain he will play. An undercooked Anderson would be problematic though and I can understand the suggestion to leave him out, if theres any doubt as to his recovery then yes but a fully fixed Anderson short of time in the middle.
...and exactly the sort of player we used to moan at England for picking. "Far too pedestrian, will put pressure on Cook to score runs, will get the top 3 bogged down, everyone else is picking ODI players to open etc." Lots of people were predicting that Hales had all the elements and a technique of a great modern opener, Englands Sehwag/Gilchrist/Chuck Norris etc. .... that last a few weeks. Trott was always talked up as an opener and having the right technique and mindset (although to be fair he had mentally pooed the bed by the point he was tried). Even mighty Joe Root couldnt hack it in the top 3, and we cant complain about his technique.
Im just refusing to get over excited.He really needs to leave Lancashire and join Surrey before we can start talking him up.
As its panned out this series looks like an excellent one for him to debut in though, and build up a level of experience and confidence for the summer. Bangladesh may have been a tougher prospect with the bouncier pitches bringing a lot of new ball wickets, whereas India look pretty toothless upfront so far. If England keep batting first he will get the pick of the conditions to bat in.
The pressure on his place is perhaps lower as well with Duckett already having been tried and not taking his chance as well as Hameed has, and also finding a spot lower down the order. Hes not going to be looking over his shoulder for the time being with all other options having been exhausted. Getting a good score in his first match takes that pressure off too. The media and fans are on his side too, overhypings dangerous but its better than snipeing and questioning for sure.
Overall its a great opportunity he has now to get some more decent scores and become settled ahead of the summer which will bring very different challeneges for him. The question about his ability to face hostile swing bolwing and helpful pitches will need answering before we can hail him as the new Atherton.
But hey Im not knocking optimism. Im just sick of the dissapointments.
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Joking aside there were people suggesting both Roy and Ansari as possible candidates to open on this tour who are now gushing all over Hameed.
Personaly I think we missed a trick by not selecting Mrs Boycott snr with a stick of rhubarb.
Personaly I think we missed a trick by not selecting Mrs Boycott snr with a stick of rhubarb.
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Joking aside I am one who sees a serious player in Hameed. Must admit I was skeptical when his name was first thrown up for the tours (young prodigy ; probably made a lot of easy runs on flat wickets against poor bowling in the cc , etc) ; but that innings the other day really impressed me ; something about his approach as well as the actual scores...of course I could be wrong . But I think he has something the others tried recently just did not.
By the way I for one wanted to try Hales : but it was more in hopes that he could bring his white ball expertise to the Test level than huge confidence ; as it happens he disappointed both in results and in the fact that he rather shied away from the style which made his selection appear a worthwhile gamble. Suppose he could win a recall ; but I am not putting money on it. Would rather put money on Hameed...
And I do agree that too much hyping up a player can do his cause a disservice . But I rather doubt that Hameed will read my enthusiastic endorsement
By the way I for one wanted to try Hales : but it was more in hopes that he could bring his white ball expertise to the Test level than huge confidence ; as it happens he disappointed both in results and in the fact that he rather shied away from the style which made his selection appear a worthwhile gamble. Suppose he could win a recall ; but I am not putting money on it. Would rather put money on Hameed...
And I do agree that too much hyping up a player can do his cause a disservice . But I rather doubt that Hameed will read my enthusiastic endorsement
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Am hearing Woakes is carrying a "niggle".
Room for Anderson ?
Room for Anderson ?
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1066492.html
yes it does appear they will "rest" Woakes as a rotation to help him recuperate...from whatever niggle he is carrying.
Well this diminishes Eng's batting....and if Anderson comes in....he is bound to be under-cooked, however good hi is ..without FC cricket under his belt.
and if they still play Finn.....then I would dance a bit (quietly)
yes it does appear they will "rest" Woakes as a rotation to help him recuperate...from whatever niggle he is carrying.
Well this diminishes Eng's batting....and if Anderson comes in....he is bound to be under-cooked, however good hi is ..without FC cricket under his belt.
and if they still play Finn.....then I would dance a bit (quietly)
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Meanwhile Kohli has confirmed once and for all...an for good...that Vijay and Rahul ate India's first choice openers....implying they will walk back into the 11 when fit....
He has hinted some more changes.....and we will see what that means...there are many permutations possible
He has hinted some more changes.....and we will see what that means...there are many permutations possible
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and if they still play Finn.....then I would dance a bit (quietly)
Don't worry - Finn is bound to "impress in the nets" sooner rather than later (is there a better net bowler in world cricket?) - leading to an inevitable recall and figures of 0-78 at 4 runs an over
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Gooseberry wrote:Joking aside there were people suggesting both Roy and Ansari as possible candidates to open on this tour who are now gushing all over Hameed.
Personaly I think we missed a trick by not selecting Mrs Boycott snr with a stick of rhubarb.
The Surrey mafia have not previously been so quiet about Hameed as suggested. Modesty almost (but not quite ) stops me from saying that I was the first poster here to give him a shout as a potential England opener - 15 August on the England v Pakistan 4th Test thread if anyone wishes to dispute it before he swims with the fishes.
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India win the toss and are batting first.
Couple of changes for India. Gautam Gambhir, as expected, is out and KL Rahul is back in. So after the first test of the NZ series, India's first choice openers are back together. Unlike what KPF and I were speculating, Amit Mishra's less than impressive performance has seen him getting the axe, and in comes the debutant offspinner Mishra's Haryana teammate Jayant Yadav. Jayant is an all-rounder, think India matching England's batting depth with their's, with Jayant to come in at 9. No Ishant Sharma thankfully, Umesh Yadav, who bowled well without his figures fully reflecting his efforts, is retained.
For England, Chris Woakes is rested, and attack leader James Anderson makes a return to the side ahead of his original recovery schedule. Zafar Ansari retained ahead of Batty.
Couple of changes for India. Gautam Gambhir, as expected, is out and KL Rahul is back in. So after the first test of the NZ series, India's first choice openers are back together. Unlike what KPF and I were speculating, Amit Mishra's less than impressive performance has seen him getting the axe, and in comes the debutant offspinner Mishra's Haryana teammate Jayant Yadav. Jayant is an all-rounder, think India matching England's batting depth with their's, with Jayant to come in at 9. No Ishant Sharma thankfully, Umesh Yadav, who bowled well without his figures fully reflecting his efforts, is retained.
For England, Chris Woakes is rested, and attack leader James Anderson makes a return to the side ahead of his original recovery schedule. Zafar Ansari retained ahead of Batty.
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yeah...Jayant Yadav comes in....Kohli has little patience with bowlers....moves them in and out very quickly...if they don't pick wickets.
Yadav had two good test in Aus with A side.....picked 8 wickets on unhelpful pitches....Rahul goes cheaply hanging his bat to a straighter one wide outsdide the off
Yadav had two good test in Aus with A side.....picked 8 wickets on unhelpful pitches....Rahul goes cheaply hanging his bat to a straighter one wide outsdide the off
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Anderson takes advantage of Vijay jumping too much on the front foot--->and has him awkwardly fending off his gloves to slip
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Spin in early, Ansari bowling the 11th over of the innings.
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Pitch has Bounce.....of the type where the ball jumps off the length...Ansari's first over has given a glimpse of it.....and when I think anderson wicket also came off one that bounced off almost length...was not really a short pitch bouncer
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And though he's been returning from a rather long injury layoff, James Anderson, straight away showing why he's the leader of the attack. Not my favorite player in this English team, he's a rowdy, thug and hooligan on the field, but is a very fine bowler. The way he worked Vijay over was really smart more than anything else. Vijay was driving everything pitched up to him and middling everything. So Anderson started bowling short, bowled 2 bouncers at him, and as Botham observed on commentary, bowled another short one next up. Vijay might have been expecting a fuller one after the 2 bouncers, but Anderson surprised him with a short ball that wasn't quite a bouncer and got him into a terrible position.
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Indeed KPF, there is bounce, and already the track looks much, much better than the stretch of the national highway at Rajkot....... Hope it will offer something to the spinners from day one itself.
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Rashid also, getting an early bowl.......
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ball has not turned....no an inch..not one delivery so far
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KP_fan wrote:ball has not turned....no an inch..not one delivery so far
Very flat so far- but seems to be a bit drier than Rajkot, so should break up and spin earlier....
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Good tight bowling in general at the moment. Feel we need to remove another two in this session though to stop India getting on top. Impressed by Rashid so far even if the ball isn't turning.
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I will believe it when I see it....Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:KP_fan wrote:ball has not turned....no an inch..not one delivery so far
Very flat so far- but seems to be a bit drier than Rajkot, so should break up and spin earlier....
the pitch curtaors at these small centers having their first test matches get over-awed by the event.....and end up doing too much and "spoiling"the pitch.
spoiling here means----> flattening it out too muhc
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What do you think would be a good score on this pitch? 400?
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Its starting to look ominous. If india do make 400 england will be right up against it.
Its taken till the 42nd over to ship an extra which suggests england have kept their lines well and been tihjt, but india havent got bogged down and seem able to score off everyone.
Desperatley need some magic or a bit of luck to break this partnership. Andersons record against kholi ( id guess the deciding factor if there were any doubt for his selection over woakes) is already ruined but i fancy he still has a psychological edge there.
Its taken till the 42nd over to ship an extra which suggests england have kept their lines well and been tihjt, but india havent got bogged down and seem able to score off everyone.
Desperatley need some magic or a bit of luck to break this partnership. Andersons record against kholi ( id guess the deciding factor if there were any doubt for his selection over woakes) is already ruined but i fancy he still has a psychological edge there.
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who knows...at this time it's looking so flat that 500 may be par...by tomm 300 might be a good score...if it spins like it's expected ( but I won't believe it till I see it)LivinginItaly wrote:What do you think would be a good score on this pitch? 400?
but on these new Indian pitches as we saw throughout the NZ series....you get to know par only when the second team has batted...
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India are now smacking England out of the park taking double figure overs off Ansair and Ali. Theres some sihgns of life in the pitch which may have also contributed to them going for it a biut to make hay while the goings still good.
Theres no question this pitch is going to detoriarte in my mind KP, I think England are already staring at a very difficult position here.
Theres no question this pitch is going to detoriarte in my mind KP, I think England are already staring at a very difficult position here.
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Kohli is in an imperious touch.....the one he gets in the 2nd half of his inning.....especially in chases in ODis......he sees gaps magnified and places the ball at will......
flat pitch ordinary bowling and Kohli in this form runs coming at T20sque pace
flat pitch ordinary bowling and Kohli in this form runs coming at T20sque pace
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The only positive I see for England here is that two wickets suddenly puts India in a very differnet position with an over reliance on "all rounders" who are more bowlers (or keeper) than batsmen. Whereas Ansari, Stokes , Bairstow and Ali for England are all competant batsmen who genuinely fill top 6 slots at county level, with Rashid not far off that Indias only real all rounder is Ashwin and his test avergae is nothing special.
I can see them polishing off the tail fairly easily, but these two may have already taken the game away by then. They are scoring so freely now and giving few chances, if the wicket(s) dont come soon then England will need something special to even be comeptitive in the game. Even Broad hasnt stemmed the flow, and that really is concerning.
Hell of a toss to win, and India are making the best of it. Kholi showing his class, and Pujara is getting in on the act now finding boundaries every over.
I can see them polishing off the tail fairly easily, but these two may have already taken the game away by then. They are scoring so freely now and giving few chances, if the wicket(s) dont come soon then England will need something special to even be comeptitive in the game. Even Broad hasnt stemmed the flow, and that really is concerning.
Hell of a toss to win, and India are making the best of it. Kholi showing his class, and Pujara is getting in on the act now finding boundaries every over.
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cook resorting to 8-1 field bowling on the 7th stump and yet Pujara square cuts Broad for a boundary......
Kohli is walking across the stumps to the 6th stump
it's fascinating to see how batsman are toying with the bowling now...because of the "Patta-ness" of the pitch......India last 50 in 50 balls
Kohli is walking across the stumps to the 6th stump
it's fascinating to see how batsman are toying with the bowling now...because of the "Patta-ness" of the pitch......India last 50 in 50 balls
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