Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[pedro]

First topic message reminder :

Corbyn I guess.

[pedro]

Pretty cool Gareth Bale found time to perform the Portuguese song at the Eurovision...

[kwinigolfer]

10,000?

[raycastleunited]

Pretty cool Gareth Bale found time to perform the Portuguese song at the Eurovision...

[raycastleunited]

sorry pedro... don't think there were many eurovision fans on here!

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/watching-eurovision-ironically-is-still-watching-eurovision-say-experts-2015052298555

[pedro]

Watched the last bit. Still amazed by the amount of bad taste in such a short period of time. The dancing grandma, the gorilla, the aussie streaker, the sleaze... priceless.

[McLaren]

Super

Thought you might like this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-39930333/i-had-to-choose-between-my-faith-and-the-sport-i-loved











Super right about now

[super_realist]

The world is full of credulous people. Why would anyone stop playing a sport because of a stone age book. "Faith", the most worthless thing you could ever imagine.

[navyblueshorts]

Super

Thought you might like this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-39930333/i-had-to-choose-between-my-faith-and-the-sport-i-loved











Super right about now

On a wind up? I suppose it's fine. Hopefully, say, a Sikh wanting to carry their 5 articles of faith while playing makes a fuss. Not sure why there's the fuss in the first place - take the daft bit of clothing off while playing. No-one and no Deity is going to think less of you for doing so.

[McLaren]

On a wind up? I suppose it's fine.

It sure is, and Super enjoys this sort of banter.  Let's face it he is here for the religious and politics chat and not he golf.

[super_realist]

I'm very much losing interest in the politics chat Mac.

[McLaren]

I thought you would have been excited by the Tory rise in Scotland at the moment? Must feel good to have some others around you at the same place on the political spectrum?

[navyblueshorts]

I thought you would have been excited by the Tory rise in Scotland at the moment?  Must feel good to have some others around you at the same place on the political spectrum?

Anything that dents Jimmy Krankie's ego, even a little, has to be a good thing.

[McLaren]

Anything?

Even the vile 2017 form of the Tory party?

[super_realist]

If Krankie and her pathetic minions actually produced ANYTHING which showed that Scotland would be better off Independent, then I might even vote for them.

I simply cannot see any case for Independence and in terms of financial reasons, it hasn't even got off the ground.

The SNP will not do as well this time because there are Independence voters who do not want to be part of the EU.

[McLaren]

The SNP will not do as well this time because there are Independence voters who do not want to be part of the EU.

But won't there also be unionist/no voters who might be tempted to now vote SNP because being part of Europe was important to them?

[super_realist]

Why would a unionist EVER vote for a party whose main agenda is Scottish Independence?

Sometimes I think you don't think things through Mac.

[McLaren]

Super

I guess they would become former unionists. Is it that hard?

[super_realist]

It's not very likely Mac especially in light of the SNP STILL failing to show how Scotland would be better off independent.

[McLaren]

Super

I think all we are saying is the #Brexit might have a few people changing sides in th general election and #indyref2.

Although SNP/YES voters moving to a pro #brexit position does seem more likely than No/pro EU voters moving to SNP/Yes positions.

[super_realist]

The opinion polls would disagree with you. Seems more people are likely to vote Tory than the pro Euro Labour party

[navyblueshorts]

Anything?

Even the vile 2017 form of the Tory party?

Pretty much, yep. Hyperventilating much re. current Tories? I'm no Tory Boy, but the language about the politics of today is getting more extreme, nonsensical and polarised by the day.

[McLaren]

The opinion polls would disagree with you. Seems more people are likely to vote Tory than the pro Euro Labour party

I didn't comment on that. I said it is more likely people will move from SNP/YES positions to pro #Brexit positions. (see post above)



Navy

How would you describe the current Tory party?

[super_realist]

Mac, What evidence have you got of that?

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

How would you describe the current Tory party?

Much like they've been throughout recent history. Just because you don't go for their politics, doesn't make them 'vile' etc.

[McLaren]

Super

The SNP will not do as well this time because there are Independence voters who do not want to be part of the EU.

Wouldn't call it evidence per se but we both seem to be suggesting some indy voters will swing towards #Brexit positions.

[McLaren]

Navy

I get that you might be playing devils advocate and/or you are annoyed by my "hyperbolic" description of May and co but would you agree that their policies will cause actual harm to people? (for example NHS patients and staff, the elderly, those on lower incomes, workers from the EU + rest of the world, workers in general, anyone wishing to use human rights legislation and so on......)

[super_realist]

Mac, there isn't a party in politics who doesn't "do harm" to people.

Which party that is depends on where you are in society.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

I get that you might be playing devils advocate and/or you are annoyed by my "hyperbolic" description of May and co but would you agree that their policies will cause actual harm to people?  (for example NHS patients and staff, the elderly, those on lower incomes, workers from the EU + rest of the world, workers in general, anyone wishing to use human rights legislation and so on......)

S_R has it about right. Let's assume Labour get in and their budget is so poorly calculated they're 10s of £billions short, the economy tanks etc. I'd suggest that'll do harm to quite a lot of people.
Politics is people playing games with other people's lives, often on the basis of dogma and little/no supporting evidence. Were we to actually have a decent political campaigning and voting system, at least we'd be able to grill them on their policies to a decent level before voting. Under the current set up? You may as well run a tombola to choose.

[McLaren]

Navy

But in reality a party there has never been an example of a party rolling out so many socialist style policies that the economy "tanked". Unless you believe the myth (which is akin to being a creationist) that budget deficits had anything to do with the GFC 2008.

Always remember this, countries like the UK can borrow so cheaply you needn't worry about it, and a country is not a business. Every penny the government spends (even those borrowed) is another person gain and your spending is my earnings.

[super_realist]

Mac, you seem to be incredible one eyed on this.

There are many Labour, Green, SNP, Lib Dem policies that would be bad for a lot of people too. Look at tuition fees for a start.

The way you talk it's as if you only think that the Tories have policies which are bad for people, when in fact they all do.

No one has said ANYTHING about borrowing, but seeing as you mention it. It DOES matter how much you borrow because the payment means LESS for actual policy, unless you want to end up like Ireland and Greece or Italy which is already technically bankrupt.

The more you borrow and the less you actually pay back impinges directly on your CREDIT RATING meaning you cannot borrow at the same cheap rates any longer. Try looking at the bigger picture.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

But in reality a party there has never been an example of a party rolling out so many socialist style policies that the economy "tanked".  Unless you believe the myth (which is akin to being a creationist) that budget deficits had anything to do with the GFC 2008.

Always remember this, countries like the UK can borrow so cheaply you needn't worry about it, and a country is not a business.  Every penny the government spends (even those borrowed) is another person gain and your spending is my earnings.

We'll agree to disagree then.

[Roller_Coaster]

Come on. It's got to be Lib Dems all the way.

They might be pretty unelectable, but they're somewhere in the middle and if or when it all went wrong you could at least numb the pain (and the memory) with a legalised shmoke (man).

[McLaren]

super

unless you are a tinpot nation (to borrow a phrase) borrowed money put into your economy should give returns which more than offset the interest repayments.

Think about what percentage borrowed money grows the economy compared to not having borrowed that money.

[MontysMerkin]

The best thing about labour this time round is that they've scared the tories to the left. About all they could manage with the current media coverage. Notice no one is having a go at the tories and their botched record on economic policy, and their many recent u-turns.

[super_realist]

Mac, that's all very well, but you don't seem to understand about the credit rating of a country.
If it was so easy then America wouldn't have trillions of their debt owned by China. They would be servicing the debt themselves.

You need to do your figures outside of sixth form economics for a change and stop thinking in hypothetical, philosophical points of view.

[McLaren]

Super

You are entering the make believe world of finance there, I was talking about economics.

[super_realist]

Mac, your assertion is that a country can keep borrowing on the cheap regardless of whether they can pay it back.

The COST of debt is related to their ability to pay back and putting a country in penury is no way to achieve cheap borrowing. US credit rating was downgraded, hence it is MORE expensive for them to borrow. It IS Economics, and very simple economics too.

There's a reason countries like US, Britain etc fall way behind countries like Norway, Australia and Sweden who manage their debt better.

Your idea is fine on paper, but in reality you're ignoring many of the points which make it problematic in the first place.

[McLaren]

Super

For a guy that is so insulting about those that kneel at the feet of yahweh you seem to have been mighty easily taken in by scripture of ratings agencies.

[super_realist]

Mac, if governments used your method, then every country would have every public service they could ever need because they could just borrow as much as they  needed.

Of course credit ratings matter to a country, your mistake is thinking that I'm making the same comparison to our personal credit ratings.

Whether you like it or not, the COST of debt is a pertinent issue.

Sadly, life isn't like your utopian fancy.

[puligny]

Is the election running level with interest in Trump and his inevitable downfall. Hope it edges ahead over next couple of weeks or I will believe we are going to hell in a handcart.

[kwinigolfer]

One of Drumpf's fat, bigotted, blowhard mentors just died earlier today - with so many media reports and observations about Drumpf's mental state and deterioration, perhaps he'll be invalided out to save the Repubs from doing the right thing and impeaching him.

[navyblueshorts]

One of Drumpf's fat, bigotted, blowhard mentors just died earlier today - with so many media reports and observations about Drumpf's mental state and deterioration, perhaps he'll be invalided out to save the Repubs from doing the right thing and impeaching him.

Hmmm, but that brings in the wingnut, Pence, doesn't it? I'm not sure which is worse...

[kwinigolfer]

One of Drumpf's fat, bigotted, blowhard mentors just died earlier today - with so many media reports and observations about Drumpf's mental state and deterioration, perhaps he'll be invalided out to save the Repubs from doing the right thing and impeaching him.

Hmmm, but that brings in the wingnut, Pence, doesn't it? I'm not sure which is worse...

I've a feeling we'll find out soon enough. Pence may be evil but far less likely to start WWIII just because he can . . . . . . . .

[puligny]

I'm sure it can't be so, but let's imagine Trump is guilty of something - alright anything! He can't be, but work with me on this huuuuge speculative jaunt! What happens if Pence is also implicated? Even if only by knowing and staying stum! Would he get his own impeachment, or could he have a share of Trumps? Obviously a smaller share, because Trump always gets the biggest piece (limelight).

[kwinigolfer]

It's already been proved, even if some would say just circumstantially, that Pence has been lying through his teeth, at least regarding Flynn.

Apart from the fact that he's unusually (even for Republicans) vehemently anti-women and especially women's rights, Pence would be better for the rest of the world, just not necessarily for the vast majority in the US.

[puligny]

Yes but there are examples of chaps who have been rabidly anti ladies, who have been found to be fibbing! They don't always dislike them all that much - for some reason they just like saying they don't like them. Some for sure have been found to be much more comfortable in the company of other chaps!
Didn't cover himself in glory with his explanation of Comeys removal either, but maybe he's a mushroom! You know, kept in the dark fed on s... etc! If so hardly passes the test for leader of the free world - and probably not even for captain of a middle ranking golf club.
Does he get his own impeachment though, or must he share Trumps? Or just man up and resign?
Anyway, we have our own troubles right now, so I'm back to brooding on them! Hey ho!

[pedro]

I'm sure it can't be so, but let's imagine Trump is guilty of something - alright anything! He can't be, but work with me on this huuuuge speculative jaunt! What happens if Pence is also implicated? Even if only by knowing and staying stum! Would he get his own impeachment, or could he have a share of Trumps? Obviously a smaller share, because Trump always gets the biggest piece (limelight).

If the potus and vice potus both get evicted, the speaker of the House moves in, Paul Ryan. It's not exactly playing into the hands of kwini...

[SmithersJones]

If it does transpire that the Russians influenced the election in Drumpf's favour would there not be a strong case for a rerun?

[kwinigolfer]

Would love to think so Smithers, but I don't think it works that way!

You've got Drumpf for the next week or so, on a trip he clearly doesn't fancy, make up your own minds.

Strange to watch his news conference this afters with President Santos of Colombia; guess who was the most articulate, cogent speaker. In English. Quite impressive actually. Must've got it from the LSE.

Also: Kinda strange he's thinking of appointing Joe Lieberman, an awful person, as FBI Director. That's a 10-year appointment. Lieberman is 75. Something wrong with this picture.

[puligny]

Lots of speculation, some based on cognitive analysis/use of language etc that he is not in a good place. Father apparently had Alzheimer's and may be headed down same path! Crazy decision to top Comey! Keep your friends close and your enemies closer!!!
Major distraction from our putative strong and stable leader! What a total f.....g joke!!!! The world, or at least the bit we occupy has gone mad!!!

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