Premier Sports - will you be watching?

First topic message reminder :

The channel is available on Sky and Virgin, but not BT.

The alternative is the app or the website to stream.

These two options however don't allow you to record games.

I'll be interested to see if they add every single game to their On Demand library, and how long after the game has aired will the on demand version be available.

Is anyone switching to Sky or Virgin simply for Premier Sports?

LordDowlais wrote:Anyway, it looks as though the Welsh prem is going from strength to strength on BBC Wales. Osian Davies has pro clubs asking about him after seeing his performance on Friday night on the BBC.

I'm not saying it's not true Dowlais, but have you got any evidence for either of those things?

marty2086 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:
Anyway, it looks as though the Welsh prem is going from strength to strength on BBC Wales. Osian Davies has pro clubs asking about him after seeing his performance on Friday night on the BBC.

People can now see the benefits of having this extra exposure.

Says a lot about the regions then that they only see players play if they are on BBC

Doesn't it just.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:Anyway, it looks as though the Welsh prem is going from strength to strength on BBC Wales. Osian Davies has pro clubs asking about him after seeing his performance on Friday night on the BBC.

I'm not saying it's not true Dowlais, but have you got any evidence for either of those things?

It was the talk of the club on Saturday. Also, I know you do not like reading it, but here you are:-

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/semi-professional-rugby-player-two-15219784

Thanks, Dowlais. Unfortunately for him, the regions are well-stocked for opensides (except maybe the Scarlets through injury at the moment), but it's always good to know there's another contender.

Doesn't it show though, what the extra exposure will do ? Nobody was talking about the Welsh prem last season, but now, I am hearing more about it than ever. People are getting to see what is on offer.

OK, I know these games are not at the same level as the Pro14 games, but if you take them for what they are, the intensity between the teams is still there, and there are some decent players there as well.

The past two weeks there has been good games on BBC Wales from the Welsh prem.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ha true marty!
Is anyone honestly that's surprised that a professional league is looking for more money? You don't get many sporting events on terrestrial the days. Only the stuff protected by the government generally.

I've no issue about sports being on pay per view. But it's how many pay per views that's the issue. I brought this up 3 months ago and was told ...."cancel sky sports, as there's no Welsh rugby on that". Well that looks to be changing.

Maybe in 10 years there will be 12 channels we need to subscribe to that cost £190 per month.

LordDowlais wrote:Doesn't it show though, what the extra exposure will do ? Nobody was talking about the Welsh prem last season, but now, I am hearing more about it than ever. People are getting to see what is on offer.

Well not necessarily. There'll always be scouts at Premiership grounds, I'd have thought. (Not necessarily from English clubs.)

In this instance, it's possible that the club representative in question saw him on telly and got in touch, but it's also possible they already knew about him and happened to phone the day after the match.

The only thing you can say for certain is that the Premiership is getting more exposure. I don't think anyone objects to that.

Yep, it might be good to expose some players.  But do the English sides and their coaches really have access to BBC2 Wales over in England?  It might be, as LP says, that they knew about him already.  Plenty of North Wales players have been picked up by sides such as Sale over the years without have the Welsh Prem shown live on TV.  So in Osian's case this might just be a happy coincidence.  

On the flip side, Nicky Thomas has just left the Dragons for Bristol - that has coincided with a) a move for the Pro14 away from Free to Air TV, b) him NOT playing at all this season for the Dragons, c) him NOT being on BBC 2 Wales and d) therefore him NOT being exposed to English coaches on the TV - so it's not necessarily TV exposure at play.  There are scouts out there doing their jobs regardless of TV.  They've  always been there and always will be.  TV might help a little, but they'll be there without TV too.

Still, it proves a point though. More people are now watching the Welsh Prem. We never had tongues wagging like this before.

Work harder, earn more, pay for the things you want watch/eat/visit etc

Seems to work for most

RugbyFan100 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ha true marty!
Is anyone honestly that's surprised that a professional league is looking for more money? You don't get many sporting events on terrestrial the days. Only the stuff protected by the government generally.

I've no issue about sports being on pay per view. But it's how many pay per views that's the issue. I brought this up 3 months ago and was told ...."cancel sky sports, as there's no Welsh rugby on that". Well that looks to be changing.

Maybe in 10 years there will be 12 channels we need to subscribe to that cost £190 per month.

I'm pretty sure Geoff said something along those lines then added the caveat, if the AIs are on, you can subscribe for the month

LordDowlais wrote:Still, it proves a point though. More people are now watching the Welsh Prem.

Again, I don't know if that's true. BBC Wales showed club games before the creation of the regions and maybe they had more viewers then.

I promise I'm not trying to be awkward.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:Still, it proves a point though. More people are now watching the Welsh Prem.

Again, I don't know if that's true. BBC Wales showed club games before the creation of the regions and maybe they had more viewers then.

I promise I'm not trying to be awkward.

I reckon there were vastly more people watching, and attending games in Wales before the regions were created.

So you really should have said that fewer people are now watching the Welsh Prem.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:So you really should have said that fewer people are now watching the Welsh Prem.

More will now be watching it, now that it's being advertised on BBC Wales.

More people are now aware of it.

Didn't realise there were any pay per view games yo be honest rugby fan. I agree that's a bit of a micky take if that's the case.

LordDowlais wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:So you really should have said that fewer people are now watching the Welsh Prem.

More will now be watching it, now that it's being advertised on BBC Wales.

More people are now aware of it.

It's good.

Not sure the viewing figures are translating to attendances for the prem.  I’ve heard talk of the Prem games at work, but from the same people who talked of the English prem after it was on channel 5 etc.  Most of the people I know who are talking about it are also talking about the game that was on free sports too.

(Also Premier Sports is good, their camera men have a back of picking me out in the crowd, so we’ll worth the monthly fee)

SuperSport and Sky are both subscription channels. So are Premier Sports and Eir Sport.

TG4, S4C and FreeSports are FTA.

The only thing that’s changed is that BBC are not showing any games.

It’s more likely that Osian Davies was spoken about, because Andy Powell tweeted about him. He should know how hard it is to transition to life as a pro anyway. There are numerous players who might look good at that level, that break down constantly when pushed further.

One of 46 players isn’t a good return (plus the other games previous), nor is it justification that Chum V is improving the players getting picked up. Did players not come through the welsh premiership before?

If it was as a result of Scrum V, I’m not sure why they messaged Lee Jarvis anyway. They would have seen that Nigel Davies was in charge, or even The Chief?

BBC Wales must do great TV. When they covered Pro14 the Welsh players were being hovered up by the richer leagues. So the WRU decided to bring players home and get rid of that great tv production so their players wouldn't look so good.

These same people have now made the Welsh Premiership and players look amazing to where players are moving to richer leagues. This will be the death of the Welsh Premiership mark my words.

BBC Wales are getting a bit of stick, after they dubbed fake crowd noise onto a Welsh Premiership highlights video.

I’m not sure why they had to really. It’s pretty strange.

Premier and FreeSports airing a load of the AIs

Starting to look like even better value now

Premier Sports will show all France and Italy games of the autumn 2018 series as follows:
Ireland v Italy, Saturday 3rd November, Soldier Field, Chicago, USA (on air 7.30pm)
Italy v Georgia, Saturday 10th November, KO 2pm, Stadio Artemio Franchi, Florence
France v South Africa, Saturday 10th November, KO 7.45pm, Stade de France, Paris
Italy v Australia, Saturday 17th November, KO 2pm, Stadio Euganeo, Padua
France v Argentina, Saturday 17th November, KO 7.45pm, Stade Pierre- Mauroy, Lille
Italy v New Zealand, Saturday 24th November, KO 2pm, Stadio Olympico, Rome
France vs Fiji, Saturday 24th November, KO 7.45PM, Stade de France, Paris

It's been a disaster.

The first half an hour of the Scarlets v Ospreys match wasn't broadcast on premier player due to a technical fault.

I'm still paying £19.98 per month for both the premier player and the tv package, because they claim they didn't receive my cancellation of the player.

And there is still no Premier Sports 2 in HD. Despite the initial press release claim:

The agreement from the 2018-19 season means supporters in the UK, including Northern Ireland, can experience the Guinness PRO14 like never before with all 152 games broadcast in High Definition on Premier Sports HD, with no less than 21 games (one per round) shown live Free-To-Air on FreeSports.

Petition the bbc to get all the rugby you'd like to watch?

No 7&1/2 wrote:Petition the bbc to get all the rugby you'd like to watch?

Sky sports or BT Sports would be better.

Not if you want to get away from paying extra.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Not if you want to get away from paying extra.

Well no. I'm perfectly happy paying extra - as long as it's a fair rate across the board.

Ie Italians will pay the same as Scots?

eh?

Do you mean a fair rate of pay across all fans or something else?

No 7&1/2 wrote:Do you mean a fair rate of pay across all fans or something else?

A fair monthly subscription cost for viewers - across all platforms.

That is currently not the case with Premier Sports. Which I find pretty disgraceful.

So you do want Scots to pay the same as Italians etc. Not sure if that's realistic to be honest.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Do you mean a fair rate of pay across all fans or something else?

A fair monthly subscription cost for viewers - across all platforms.

That is currently not the case with Premier Sports. Which I find pretty disgraceful.

Why ? I doubt everyone pays the same to watch SKY, BT etc across the world.

People don't even pat the same for sky sports across England.

No 7&1/2 wrote:People don't even pat the same for sky sports across England.

But it's the same ballpark. Which is fair.

Paying double. Is not.

munkian wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Do you mean a fair rate of pay across all fans or something else?

A fair monthly subscription cost for viewers - across all platforms.

That is currently not the case with Premier Sports. Which I find pretty disgraceful.

Why ? I doubt everyone pays the same to watch SKY, BT etc across the world.

Because paying double for the exact same service my next door neighbour gets isn't right.

Is your next door neighbour Scottish or Italian ? Or a project player ?

As I've said it's not realistic to set the same price even ball park for Italians and Scots etc.

munkian wrote:Is your next door neighbour Scottish or Italian ? Or a project player ?

No.

No 7&1/2 wrote:As I've said it's not realistic to set the same price even ball park for Italians and Scots etc.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

It's a reply to your wishlist. It's not realistic for Italians to pay the same ball park rate as Scots. So many factors come into place.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:As I've said it's not realistic to set the same price even ball park for Italians and Scots etc.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I've got it, he's the person that leaves the little face on EVERY Premier Sports post...

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's a reply to your wishlist. It's not realistic for Italians to pay the same ball park rate as Scots. So many factors come into place.

But Italian people live in Italy and Scottish people live in Scotland. They don't even have the same broadcaster showing the games. So I am at a loss as to why you have even begun to think that is relevant. What the hell are you on about?

So when you said same ball park rate for fans.you didn't mean all fans you meant who?

RugbyFan100 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's a reply to your wishlist. It's not realistic for Italians to pay the same ball park rate as Scots. So many factors come into place.

But Italian people live in Italy and Scottish people live in Scotland. They don't even have the same broadcaster showing the games. So I am at a loss as to why you have even begun to think that is relevant. What the hell are you on about?

Hes not the brightest but I'm also confused to what you are actually on about ?

No 7&1/2 wrote:So when you said same ball park rate for fans.you didn't mean all fans you meant who?

I don't know what that means sorry.

This thread is concerned with the Premier Sports television service. So if we are talking about prices and viewers etc - it's a fair guess that we'll be talking about prices of premier sports and viewers of premier sports.

Not very nice munkian. Thought we'd put the past and your comments about lawes behind us.

munkian wrote:

Hes not the brightest but I'm also confused to what you are actually on about ?

Ok It breaks down like this:

Premier Sports offers - A recordable channel on your tv service (2 x premier sports channels) plus access to the premier web player which gives you all premier sports channels live, plus access to the on demand content the last 7 days of pro 14 games.

This costs:

£9.99 with sky sports

£19.98 with Virgin Media

That, in my opinion isn't fair on Virgin Media customers. Fair do's to those that think it is.