FIFA Challenge League Homepage I

by **Afro** Mon 22 Oct 2018, 3:00 pm

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzMxThEbVCIiOq_gKOmMqH7WgcsIpYxleuPOWIzg-4Q/edit?usp=sharing

Team	_________	Manager
Bury	_________	$ka
Cambridge Utd	_________	Dolph
Carlisle United	_________	Fluxy
Cheltenham Town	_________	Twist
Colchester	_________	Azzy
Crawley Town	_________	Marky
Crewe Alexandra	_________	Nads
Exeter City	_________	Trebs
Forest Green	_________	TAB
Grimsby Town	_________	Fernando
Lincoln City	_________	Bam
Macclesfield	_________	Hero
Mansfield Town	_________	Rof
MK Dons	_________	Olly
Morecambe	_________	Afro
Newport County	_________	Sodhat

Matches	_________	Transfers	_________	Other
Fixtures	_________	Lawyers	_________	Rules
Table	_________	Foreigns	_________	Press Conferences
Injuries	_________	Releases	_________
Tactics	_________	Confirmation	_________
Results	_________		_________
Cards	_________		_________

by Trebs Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:13 pm

Just to clarify, I don't feel too strongly on exactly what the system is for different finishing positions. I do feel strongly that we have some kind of system in place.

by **Afro** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:25 pm

Trebs wrote: I do feel strongly that we have some kind of system in place.

And I agree with this. The sooner the better as really it should have been set-up ahead of time.

I'll have a go at what I can come up with

by **Afro** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:47 pm

Right, I have something that might work.

1) we rank the teams 1-16 based on either TM value or FIFA ranking at the start - probably the former, given this is what is determining your ability to improve. This is your expected finishing position

2) we calculate average player value in the league at the end of the season using Bam's file.

And if you finish in your expected position, you get 2.5x the average player value (i.e. enough to buy 2.5 players). if you finish lower, you get less, going down for each position, if you finish higher you get more, going up for each position.

I will post my example up when I can get it in a nice format, but in it, assuming MK Dons is the top ranked team and Macc is the bottom ranked team - Dons would get 2.5x average value if they won the league, but only 1x if they finish bottom; Macc would get 2.5x if they finish bottom, but 4x if they won.

by **Afro** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:04 pm

Trying to explain this as clearly as I can, so here goes....

This is the multiplier table.

The teams are ranked, in the table Team 1 is the topped ranked, Team 2 the second ranked etc.
The multipler they achieve is multiplied by the average player value.
So if average player value was £500k and Team 1 won the league, they would get 2.5x£500k (£1,250k) prize money. If Team 8 won the league, they would get 3.2x£500k (£1,600k).
If the average player value is higher, the prize money is higher.

Starting Ranking	_TEAM 1_	_TEAM 2_	_TEAM 3_	_TEAM 4_	_TEAM 5_	_TEAM 6_	_TEAM 7_	_TEAM 8_	_TEAM 9_	_TEAM 10_	_TEAM 11_	_TEAM 12_	_TEAM 13_	_TEAM 14_	_TEAM 15_	_TEAM 16_
Finishing Position
1	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2	3.3	3.4	3.5	3.6	3.7	3.8	3.9	4
2	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2	3.3	3.4	3.5	3.6	3.7	3.8	3.9
3	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2	3.3	3.4	3.5	3.6	3.7	3.8
4	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2	3.3	3.4	3.5	3.6	3.7
5	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2	3.3	3.4	3.5	3.6
6	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2	3.3	3.4	3.5
7	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2	3.3	3.4
8	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2	3.3
9	1.7	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1	3.2
10	1.6	1.7	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3	3.1
11	1.5	1.6	1.7	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9	3
12	1.4	1.5	1.6	1.7	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8	2.9
13	1.3	1.4	1.5	1.6	1.7	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7	2.8
14	1.2	1.3	1.4	1.5	1.6	1.7	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6	2.7
15	1.1	1.2	1.3	1.4	1.5	1.6	1.7	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5	2.6
16	1	1.1	1.2	1.3	1.4	1.5	1.6	1.7	1.8	1.9	2	2.1	2.2	2.3	2.4	2.5

by **Afro** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:06 pm

So if average value was £500k, this is the prize money for each team for each position, in £k

	_TEAM 1_	_TEAM 2_	_TEAM 3_	_TEAM 4_	_TEAM 5_	_TEAM 6_	_TEAM 7_	_TEAM 8_	_TEAM 9_	_TEAM 10_	_TEAM 11_	_TEAM 12_	_TEAM 13_	_TEAM 14_	_TEAM 15_	_TEAM 16_
Finishing Position
1	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600	1650	1700	1750	1800	1850	1900	1950	2000
2	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600	1650	1700	1750	1800	1850	1900	1950
3	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600	1650	1700	1750	1800	1850	1900
4	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600	1650	1700	1750	1800	1850
5	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600	1650	1700	1750	1800
6	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600	1650	1700	1750
7	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600	1650	1700
8	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600	1650
9	850	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550	1600
10	800	850	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500	1550
11	750	800	850	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450	1500
12	700	750	800	850	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400	1450
13	650	700	750	800	850	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350	1400
14	600	650	700	750	800	850	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300	1350
15	550	600	650	700	750	800	850	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250	1300
16	500	550	600	650	700	750	800	850	900	950	1000	1050	1100	1150	1200	1250

by **Afro** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:09 pm

Could easily make it higher/lower if we think its not enough/too much.

But felt it important that it could adjust to player values as no-one has any idea what kind of value will be typical for our players in 30 weeks time.

by $ka Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:19 pm

In principle I like the idea.

by Take a boo Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:33 pm

Thumbs up from me

by Marky Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:51 pm

I'm happy with the idea. Amounts can be decided nearer the end of the season, but using this principle.

by **Afro** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:59 pm

Do you think the range of amounts is about right. Goes from 4x for the worst team winning the league, to 1x for the best team coming last.

Or should that be wider?

by $ka Thu 08 Nov 2018, 4:17 pm

I don't think any of the teams are that much worse than the others at this level.

by **Afro** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 4:30 pm

$ka wrote:I don't think any of the teams are that much worse than the others at this level.

I think the starting FIFA ratings are reasonably close. Highest rating is MK Dons at 65, lowest is Morecambe, Crewe and Macclesfield all rated at 60.

But total TM squad values are wider. Again Dons were highest at £5.4m, whilst Macc were lowest at £1.51m

I think given that everyone is going to be changing from their starting squad, the TM value represents the cash they will have to do that, and the speed at which they can do it

by Trebs Thu 08 Nov 2018, 4:33 pm

Afro wrote:
$ka wrote:I don't think any of the teams are that much worse than the others at this level.

I think the starting FIFA ratings are reasonably close. Highest rating is MK Dons at 65, lowest is Morecambe, Crewe and Macclesfield all rated at 60.

But total TM squad values are wider. Again Dons were highest at £5.4m, whilst Macc were lowest at £1.51m

I think given that everyone is going to be changing from their starting squad, the TM value represents the cash they will have to do that, and the speed at which they can do it

If we did everything using FIFA values rather than TM it would have worked much better Whistle

by $ka Thu 08 Nov 2018, 4:37 pm

Afro wrote:
$ka wrote:I don't think any of the teams are that much worse than the others at this level.

I think the starting FIFA ratings are reasonably close. Highest rating is MK Dons at 65, lowest is Morecambe, Crewe and Macclesfield all rated at 60.

But total TM squad values are wider. Again Dons were highest at £5.4m, whilst Macc were lowest at £1.51m

I think given that everyone is going to be changing from their starting squad, the TM value represents the cash they will have to do that, and the speed at which they can do it

That's fair enough, I wasn't aware there was such a disparity between TM values! Incidentally, where would Bury feature on that list?

by **Afro** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 4:46 pm

Name_________	OVR_________	TM Value (£m) _________
MK Dons	65	5.4
Lincoln City	64	4.1
Mansfield Town	64	3.94
Bury	63	3.83
Exeter City	64	3.13
Grimsby Town	62	2.84
Forest Green	63	2.68
Crawley Town	62	2.54
Cheltenham Town	62	2.43
Carlisle United	62	2.34
Morecambe	60	2.05
Crewe Alexandra	60	2.05
Cambridge Utd	61	1.98
Colchester	64	1.6
Newport County	61	1.6
Macclesfield	60	1.51

by $ka Thu 08 Nov 2018, 5:00 pm

Colchester are pretty lucky!

by **Hero** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 5:06 pm

Macc meanwhile are crap!

by $ka Thu 08 Nov 2018, 5:10 pm

I'm sure hoping so. Top by Christmas is the aim. Fingers Crossed

by Renege Thu 08 Nov 2018, 5:22 pm

That makes my 6-1 result look even worse

But seeing we’re taking averages maybe we should average out my first result into a 4-2 loss....

by $ka Thu 08 Nov 2018, 7:12 pm

I'm sure you were just doing Marky a favour considering how long he has gone winless and how low his self-esteem must have been because of it.

by Renege Thu 08 Nov 2018, 7:21 pm

To be fair the TM value won’t have had that much impact yet I’d only sold maybe one player at that point. Little between fifa ratings just now but will be over the season with more offers coming in I’ll benefit from Tm value

Agree with the above approach but only other thing I could suggest is alter the amount you get per game since it will be over the season the TM difference comes into play

by Marky Thu 08 Nov 2018, 8:37 pm

My side wasn't that 62 rated squad though.

I had five new players in the starting XI, and Tactics obviously played a part.

by $ka Thu 08 Nov 2018, 8:50 pm

As did getting a 2nd bite of the cherry

by TwisT Thu 08 Nov 2018, 10:00 pm

What's going on?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 10:28 pm

Might ban Olly just for his ‘sincere’ and ‘earnest’ comment about hating the gap between squads whilst he has MK Dons.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 10:37 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Might ban Olly just for his ‘sincere’ and ‘earnest’ comment about hating the gap between squads whilst he has MK Dons.

I am nothing if not a hypocrite

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 10:42 pm

Thankfully, I’ve already got the guys in for Band Aid ‘18: Cambridge United

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Thu 08 Nov 2018, 11:37 pm

Here’s 10 minutes of my life I won’t get back.

Band Aid ‘18

[Jamie Carragher]
It's transfers time
There's no need to be afraid
At transfers time
We let in great and we banish sh*te

[Gary Neville]
And with your wins of plenty
We can spread some signings too
Throw your arms around Cambridge
At transfers time

[Chris Sutton]
But say a prayer
Pray for the other teams
At transfers time it's hard

[Alex Scott]
But when you're winning games

[Alan Shearer]
There's a squad outside your window

[Roy Keane]
And it's a squad of dread and fear

[Danny Murphy]
Where the only goals flowing are

[Alan Smith]
The bitter sting of theirs, Martin

[Keys and Gray]
And the kick off whistle rings there
It’s a whistle full of doom

[Graeme Souness]
Well tonight thank God it's them instead of you

[Le Tiss, Merson, Charlie Nicholas, Phil Thompson]
And there won't be goals for Cambridge this transfers time
The greatest gift they'll get this year is life
Oh, where no good ever sign, no youth or players grow

[Kamara, Stelling, Cottee, Iain Dowie]
Do they know it's transfers time at all?

[Alan Hansen]
Here's to you

[Lawro]
Sign someone for ev'ryone

[Alan Hansen]
Here's to them

[Lawro]
Hours of poor scouting done

[Ian Wright and Kelly Cates]
Do they know it's transfers time at all?

[All the pundits]
Feed their squad
Feed their squad
Feed their squad
Let them know it's transfers time again
Feed their squad
Let them know it's transfers time again
Feed their squad
Let them know it's transfers time again
Feed their squad
Let them know it's transfers time again
Feed their squad
Let them know it's transfers time again
Feed their squad
Let them know it's transfers time again

by Marky Fri 09 Nov 2018, 6:15 am

$ka wrote:As did getting a 2nd bite of the cherry

There was no first bite.

Also this week's game was in the wrong stadium. Please replay it until I win.

by Azzy Fri 09 Nov 2018, 9:55 am

[Lawro]
Hours of poor scouting done

Laugh

Good result for

Spoiler:

last night!

by Trebs Fri 09 Nov 2018, 9:55 am

Where's sheep?

by Fluxy Fri 09 Nov 2018, 9:57 am

Azzy wrote:[Lawro]
Hours of poor scouting done

Good result for
Spoiler:
last night!

Spoiler:

by Azzy Fri 09 Nov 2018, 10:33 am

Trebs wrote:Where's sheep?

Gimme 2mins, I'm halfway through questions Smile

by Azzy Fri 09 Nov 2018, 10:41 am

Okay people...

SHEEP!

Answers to me by 1300, answers live from 1400:

1. Name an international team Wayne Rooney has scored against.
2. The Spice Girls are going on tour again, without Posh. Name one of the other four.
3. England are about to win their first ever test match in Galle - name one of their wicket takers in this match.
4. Red Dead Redemption 2 is getting a lot of accolades - some call it the best game of all time. What actually is the best computer game of all time?
5. Name a type of fish.
6. Name a German football team not named Bayern Munich or Borussia Dortmund.
7. Who will be the next Prime Minister of the UK?
8. It plays second fiddle to the Azzrentice, but the Apprentice is now down to its final 10 contestants. Name one of them.

by BamBam Fri 09 Nov 2018, 10:50 am

Azzy, message received and not read

by $ka Fri 09 Nov 2018, 11:31 am

How the holy fack did Crawley not win that game?

Also, would it be possible to put the fixtures/results in a spoiler so that people could read them if they don't have time to watch the games but it also won't give away the result for people who want to watch it without knowing the score already?

by Take a boo Fri 09 Nov 2018, 11:36 am

I lost count of how many times the woodwork was hit in that game!

Also some top saves from Fruchtl who looks a shrewd purchase

by **Afro** Fri 09 Nov 2018, 11:46 am

$ka wrote:How the holy fack did Crawley not win that game?

Also, would it be possible to put the fixtures/results in a spoiler so that people could read them if they don't have time to watch the games but it also won't give away the result for people who want to watch it without knowing the score already?

Added the spoiler Ok!

I think Marky's shot accuracy was something like 33%, and he scored from 25% of those on target. Compare that to last week where nearly every shot was on target and most of those were goals.

by Renege Fri 09 Nov 2018, 11:49 am

Baws I still had Fruchtl on my list of targets, missed him getting snapped up

by $ka Fri 09 Nov 2018, 12:34 pm

I'm sure he must have hit the woodwork at least 3 times in that game as well.

by Azzy Fri 09 Nov 2018, 12:50 pm

Ten minutes until Sheep closes bizatches, get your answers in now! We have 7 people with answers in, let's see if we can get a few more!

Also Dolph, the Apprentice is the best TV show there is. Bar none. And you're speaking to the guy who was on The Chase, and is also appearing in a Channel 5 documentary this winter.

by Trebs Fri 09 Nov 2018, 12:54 pm

Azzy, I've just posted on the Facebook group that there's sheep so you might get a couple more in soon

by **Hero** Fri 09 Nov 2018, 12:58 pm

Sent mine in. Have to say a couple of them I had to Google.

by Azzy Fri 09 Nov 2018, 1:05 pm

Hero wrote:Sent mine in. Have to say a couple of them I had to Google.

Clearly not a lover of fish Whistle

Up to 10 now FIFA Challenge League Homepage I - Page 19 3559488474

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 09 Nov 2018, 1:08 pm

Azzy wrote:Ten minutes until Sheep closes bizatches, get your answers in now! We have 7 people with answers in, let's see if we can get a few more!

Also Dolph, the Apprentice is the best TV show there is. Bar none. And you're speaking to the guy who was on The Chase, and is also appearing in a Channel 5 documentary this winter.

100% agree. The Apprentice is the only TV show I'll specifically work my life round so I can watch live. That and Would I Lie To You whenever Bob Mortimer is on

by TwisT Fri 09 Nov 2018, 1:16 pm

I am taking part too. give me 5mins

by Marky Fri 09 Nov 2018, 1:19 pm

$ka wrote:How the holy fack did Crawley not win that game?

I was adamant the equaliser wasn't coming Laugh

by nadeem2099 Fri 09 Nov 2018, 1:30 pm

Cheers azzy for doing sheep. Think its the most ever participants clap

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by Azzy Fri 09 Nov 2018, 1:32 pm

12 total entries. And one person is either thick, grown even more extra fingers, or thought we were playing Lemmings Laugh

by **Afro** Fri 09 Nov 2018, 1:33 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Azzy wrote:Ten minutes until Sheep closes bizatches, get your answers in now! We have 7 people with answers in, let's see if we can get a few more!

Also Dolph, the Apprentice is the best TV show there is. Bar none. And you're speaking to the guy who was on The Chase, and is also appearing in a Channel 5 documentary this winter.

100% agree. The Apprentice is the only TV show I'll specifically work my life round so I can watch live. That and Would I Lie To You whenever Bob Mortimer is on

Watching The Apprentice is an ego boost, letting you know that however stupid you think you are, there are always more stupid ones out there!

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