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Post by Guest Thu 10 Oct 2019, 6:29 pm

First topic message reminder :

Thought I'd get these made nice and early for a few reasons - but one being that we're already now looking ahead to the QFs with several teams having finished their group stage, so it's all heating up for the proper knockout stuff...barring any more disruption.

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Team: Daly; Watson, Slade, Tuilagi, May; Farrell (capt), Youngs; M Vunipola, George, Sinckler; Itoje, Lawes; Curry, Underhill, B Vunipola.

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Marler, Cole, Kruis, Ludlam, Heinz, Ford, Joseph.


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Team: Beale; Hodge, Petaia, Kerevi, Koroibete; Lealiifano, Genia; Alaalatoa, Latu, Sio; Arnold, Rodda; Naisarani, Hooper (c), Pocock.

Replacements: Uelese, Slipper, Tupou, Coleman, Salakaia-Loto, White, To'omua, O'Connor.



Venue: Oita
Referee: Jerome Garces
AR1: Romain Poite
AR2: Mathieu Raynal
TMO: Ben Skeen


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Post by Guest Fri 18 Oct 2019, 6:50 pm

Of course it is based on how he's played in both positions RF.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 18 Oct 2019, 6:59 pm

For you rugby fan of course.

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Post by Taylorman Fri 18 Oct 2019, 7:13 pm

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LondonTiger wrote:He has put in a huge number of barnstorming displays at 13 over the last decade. He has managed less than a handful of decent performances at 12.

This seems fictional considering how often he plays for England. Club level's a mostly different beast.
Miaow, this came up on the last thread where you seemed unconvinced about Manu at 13. Strongly suggest you go back and read the responses there rather than have everyone repeat what they said here. If nothing else, just look at what shirt he was wearing when England beat New Zealand in 2012, which is widely regarded as a defining match for the player.

I can vouch for that. Best performance by a NH back vs NZ in the entire pro era.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Oct 2019, 7:22 pm

Game's changed since 2012. 13 now absolutely a key defensive position in many teams - as I explained before the Lions with JJ v JD2. All you're doing is reiterating my point by bringing up 2012: England/fans in general put far, far too much stake in one performance as the holy grail, and everything must imitate that. It's from the Sky Sports mantra of one a player is a B&I Lion, everything they do is through that lens. It's lazy.

Tuilagi's since played for the Lions as a 12 alongside the likes of BOD, he's played at 12 inside Slade and looked excellent etc. He's not exactly going to be poor at 13 but as clearly so much of the running game is built around him, there's too much focus on the shirt number. Where Tuilagi excels - broken field, phase plays - the # means next to nothing.

Weird you'd argue against that.

Strangely, Eddie Jones seems to agree...

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Post by LondonTiger Fri 18 Oct 2019, 7:53 pm

Interestingly it is this very weekend last year that Manu started to play his way back into the England lineup with this MotM display

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/45875612


It is however time to move on to something else. No-one is going to change their mind and all we will see is an ever rancourous discourse leading to bans.

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Post by Guest Fri 18 Oct 2019, 7:54 pm

Thank you LT.

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Post by LondonTiger Fri 18 Oct 2019, 8:15 pm

Loved the comments from Toomua about his ex Tiger team-mates, though he did leave himself wide open for Youngs comeback. Good humour all round.

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Post by Taylorman Fri 18 Oct 2019, 8:23 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Interestingly it is this very weekend last year that Manu started to play his way back into the England lineup with this MotM display

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/45875612


It is however time to move on to something else. No-one is going to change their mind and all we will see is an ever rancourous discourse leading to bans.

Really looking forward to seeing Manu versus oz, one of the genuine highlights of the weekend for me. Rugby has missed this bloke for too long. Oozes talent and X factor when he’s on.

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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 18 Oct 2019, 9:33 pm

Yeh i am looking forward to see how the Slade-Manu partner ship goes.

I still do not understand why  EJ as dropped Ford to the bench.

The Ford at 10 Farrell at 12 seems to me that England play a better type of game, more free flowing, free off loading type of game.

I certainly would not like England to revert to a bish, bosh type of game.

But then again, as long as England win, and put in a good performance i will be happy.

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Post by Taylorman Fri 18 Oct 2019, 9:43 pm

Yes I don’t get that either, especially when the two combined to bury Oz on tour a couple of years ago. Ford has been one of if not the form 10 of the tournament. Only think I can think of is he’s protecting Ford for later...which also doesn’t convince. Dunno, a head scratcher. You’d think he’d want to bury oz from the start and Ford Farrell offer more options to do that.

England also start big matches strongly. 6N and warmups they certainly did. After a rest this is another new start. You’d think he’d capitalise on that and get the best possible out there.

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Post by Rugby Fan Fri 18 Oct 2019, 11:49 pm

Jones probably has some regrets about not playing the France game. He'll know that Farrell hasn't been in great form, and he probably believes he needs his captain to be firing for England to have a chance of going all the way.

His selection of Farrell at 10 might, in part, be an effort to get him back in the groove by giving him early responsibility in a key match. In the best case, we see England exert the kind of pressure we did against Ireland in the Six Nations. If things don't click, then Ford comes on.


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Post by kingelderfield Sat 19 Oct 2019, 5:30 am

In broad terms i will always prefer a 10 who creates space, or can execute creatively within limited space, to one who consumes space or needs more space and lacks the vision and instinctive ability to play what is in front of them.
Farrell is the black hole that will suck the life out of our game.
Now I'd like to report you for years of trolling and other myriad personality discrepecies:-)
Have a great day ONE and all and COME ON ENGLAND!

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Oct 2019, 7:01 am

Farrell's career proves you wrong on that count though king.

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Post by Old Man Sat 19 Oct 2019, 7:17 am

This is going to be a cracker of a match, good luck to both teams, please no cards.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 19 Oct 2019, 7:20 am

Well we will soon see if dropping Ford to the bench was a good thing or not i guess.

Nerves are starting to kick in, i still think England will win, it just depends on what the score line is.

COME ON ENGLAND, YOU CAN DO IT.

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Post by BigGee Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:21 am

Good defensive set by England but great intent from Oz as well

May not be a bad game for the neutrals!

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Post by lostinwales Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:22 am

Safe to say Australia are up for this

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Post by BigGee Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:24 am

Hope it is not going to be a scrum fest!

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Post by BamBam Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:27 am

The young centre is a Folau esque runner, he'll need to be watched

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Post by Geordie Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:27 am

Wow Australia want this!!

Glad to see Sinkler keeping his head early on.

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Post by RiscaGame Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:29 am

Great cover tackle Farrell.

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Post by kingelderfield Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:29 am

Very important that we really settle.

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Post by Geordie Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:29 am

Jeez

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Post by BigGee Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:30 am

Great break by Beale leads to a penalty

3-0 Australia

They deserve that for the opening pressure

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Post by Duty281 Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:30 am

As expected, it’s Aussie making a fast start and England not quite at the races yet.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:30 am

majesticimperialman wrote:Well we will soon see if dropping Ford to the bench was a good thing or not i guess.
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Slade slipping off a couple of tackles and then knocking on. Doesn't look like he's 100%.

Australia in control so far.

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Post by Gooseberry Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:32 am

The run everything philosophy from Aus has its limitations.

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Post by BamBam Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:32 am

Pitch is getting destroyed in the scrums

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:33 am

Duty281 wrote:As expected, it’s Aussie making a fast start and England not quite at the races yet.

All the talk about the week off being an advantage - I'm not so sure ....

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Post by Geordie Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:33 am

Can the Aussies keep this pace up all game?

Highly unlikely....

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Post by lostinwales Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:34 am

The tackle from Underhill on the no.8 was fun

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Post by BigGee Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:35 am

Some tackle on Mako, not easy to send him backwards

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:35 am

hands on the ground before he scooped that back ...

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Post by Geordie Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:35 am

Aawww what a time to knock on.

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Post by BamBam Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:35 am

Yes lads!

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Post by BigGee Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:36 am

Great try

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:36 am

That'll do nicely ...

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Post by Gooseberry Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:36 am

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majesticimperialman wrote:Well we will soon see if dropping Ford to the bench was a good thing or not i guess.
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Slade slipping off a couple of tackles and then knocking on. Doesn't look like he's 100%.

Australia in control so far.

3 minutes later...

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Post by Steffan Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:36 am

Decent try from England but if Australia are going to try and run the ball from inside their own 22 and lose it then that is always going to happen


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Post by BamBam Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:36 am

Brilliant draw and pass by Curry, basics but so effective

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:37 am

Thank god Slade wasn't out there!
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Post by lostinwales Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:37 am

And thats how you do it

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:37 am

If any one was going to score a try today it had to be Johnny May.

Great try.

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Post by Geordie Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:37 am

Johnny May!!!!!

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Post by BigGee Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:37 am

Great kick

7-3 England

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:38 am

OF got his kicking mojo back ...

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Post by Geordie Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:38 am

Tom Curry is some player. Imagine in a few years when he gets experienced at this level...ouch!!

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Post by BamBam Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:39 am

Go on Slade!!!

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Post by BigGee Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:39 am

That might be the game already!

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Post by Steffan Sat 19 Oct 2019, 8:39 am

What a stupid offload for that try

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