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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 30 Jan 2020, 1:04 pm

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Sunday 2nd February 15:00 - France (a)
BBC Sport

Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant 1: Andrew Brace (Ireland)
Assistant 2: Brendon Pickerill (New Zealand)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (Ireland)


Recent Form

France:
20th October 2019: Wales - Lost 19-20
6th Ocober 2019: Tonga - Won 23-21
2nd October 2019: USA - Won 33-9
21st September 2019: Argentina - Won 23-21
30th August 2019: Italy - Won 47-19



England
2nd November 2019: South Africa - Lost 12-32
26th October 2019: New Zealand: Won 19:7
19th October 2019: Australia - won 40-16
5th October 2019: Argentina - Won 39-10
26th September 2019: USA - Won 45-7


Head to Head

Matches Played - 90
Wins - England 49, France 34
Draws - 7
Tries - England 165, France 143



Teams

France:
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Bouthier; Thomas, Vakatawa, Fickou, Penaud; Ntamack, Dupont; Baille, Marchand, Haouas, Le Roux, Willemse, Cros, Ollivon (c), Alldritt

Reps: Mauvaka, Poirot, Bamba, Palu, Woki, Serin, Jalibert, Rattez


England
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Furbank; May, Tuilagi, Farrell (capt), Daly; Ford, B Youngs; Marler, George, Sinckler, Itoje, Ewels, Lawes, Underhill, Curry.

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Kruis, Ludlam, Heinz, Devoto, Joseph


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:14 pm

Farrell injured.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:15 pm

We look lightweight.

We will not win this
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Post by Heaf on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:15 pm

France miles offside from that up and under

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:18 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Disadvantage of having a flanker at 8. And having youngs not paying enough attention.

From experience there's not a lot you can do when your scrum is marching forward and then your 8 doesn't connect properly with the ball and squirms out. It's not and easy pick up and your opposite number is all over you normally trying to kick where you're putting your hands.

Manu off is a huge blow.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:20 pm

I'm going to criticising youngs now. As theres too much typing.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:20 pm

England not doing too good at the moment.

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:20 pm

Penalty to England. Offside
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Post by Guest on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:21 pm

Wow what a difference a top class defence coach makes. This looks like the real France again, finally.

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Post by Heaf on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:22 pm

Why did England all stop there?

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Post by Guest on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:22 pm

Why did Tuilagi go off?

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:23 pm

Well it looked forward off 7 to me.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:23 pm

Good call TMO.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:23 pm

TightHEAD wrote:We look lightweight.

We will not win this

We look like we've got three locks on the pitch one of whom is anonymous and the French are playing at a tempo that's taking them out of the game.

Lawes has been poor and Ewels anonymous. One of the two of them has to go at half time. We haven't got the option we need on the bench though.

Youngs playing quite well ball in hand but the options for him aren't offering much. Ford and Farrell need to start finding the corners and pinning France back and forcing them to play from deep at the minute France are dominating up front and dictating the tempo.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:24 pm

Ewells ....? Is he playing?

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Post by Heaf on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:25 pm

Looked like it came off 7 onto Lawes to me ... tight though

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Post by lostinwales on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:25 pm

Ball hits french arm goes back hits Lawes in the face and bounces forward. Seems fine but it definitely didn't hit Lawes' arm

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Post by quinsforever on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:26 pm

thats a shocker

idiot 4th official didnt look at right angle. clesrly came off french arm from overhead camera

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:27 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ewells ....? Is he playing?

Exactly my point. Lineout is a shambles as well.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:27 pm

France so far the better team.

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Post by Heaf on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:27 pm

England are a bit of a shambles all round at the moment ...

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:29 pm

Wow, what a kick.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:30 pm

French director isnt keen to show replays of the rucks france are winning are they.

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Post by Dirtydave on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:31 pm

England are getting mugged at the breakdown!

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Post by Heaf on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:31 pm

Bit suspect how it was turned over though ...

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:31 pm

I think England will be getting the hair dryer treatment at half time.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:31 pm

£25k each for this?

What a load of shhh
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Post by quinsforever on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:31 pm

difference in score exemplified by difference between youngs and furband and their opposite numbers. worlds apart

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:32 pm

You have to imagine if France score next it will be too much for england to claw back.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:32 pm

28mins and Ewels gets into the game with a lineout steal.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:32 pm

England so far this game playing just like Scotland yesterday. Getting turned over near the France line. If things dont improve soon England will deffo lose.

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Post by Dirtydave on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:32 pm

Ben Youngs looks like a pub player, his distribution has sowed total panic throughout the backline.

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Post by tigertattie on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:32 pm

Are there any welsh fans hiding in here?

I’m going to say something very very controversial here. I could get a pasting.

Are we seeing a France team revved up by Shaun Edwards? They are ferocious.

All these years Garland has been getting the applause for Wales wins based on a defensive system. Should the kudos be given to Shaun Edwards all this time?

I know it’s only been 30mins of rugby. But France look completely reinvented. They look........ disciplined
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Post by Heaf on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:33 pm

Keeping hold of the ball would be a start ...

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:33 pm

Farrell couldn't catch a cold at the minute let alone the ball.

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Post by quinsforever on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:33 pm

tigertattie wrote:Are there any welsh fans hiding in here?

I’m going to say something very very controversial here. I could get a pasting.

Are we seeing a France team revved up by Shaun Edwards? They are ferocious.

All these years Garland has been getting the applause for Wales wins based on a defensive system. Should the kudos be given to Shaun Edwards all this time?

I know it’s only been 30mins of rugby. But France look completely reinvented. They look........ disciplined
love sean edwards. great interview with him on bbc before the match started

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Post by Heaf on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:34 pm

The annoying thing is Shaun is English - why didn't we get him?

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Post by quinsforever on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:34 pm

tigertattie wrote:Are there any welsh fans hiding in here?

I’m going to say something very very controversial here. I could get a pasting.

Are we seeing a France team revved up by Shaun Edwards? They are ferocious.

All these years Garland has been getting the applause for Wales wins based on a defensive system. Should the kudos be given to Shaun Edwards all this time?

I know it’s only been 30mins of rugby. But France look completely reinvented. They look........ disciplined
love sean edwards. great interview with him on bbc before the match started

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Post by Heaf on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:35 pm

Dirtydave wrote:Ben Youngs looks like a pub player, his distribution has sowed total panic throughout the backline.

Looks like they've all been in the pub ... maybe with Finn Russell ...

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:35 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:You have to imagine if France score next it will be too much for england to claw back.
Trying to remember when we last overcame a 17 point deficit. Mind you, we've certainly let teams back in against us from there.

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Post by Dirtydave on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:36 pm

Sean Edwards has basically been given the key to wales after the last decade, the WRU are under pressure for letting him go for similar money because they refused to commit to a 4 year contract because of Pivac.

Sean Edwards is one of the best coaches on the planet, and this defensive structure is exactly what wales did to england in previous seasons

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Post by quinsforever on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:36 pm

ben youngs. awful. awful. awful. awful

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:37 pm

Brain dead from Sinkler

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:37 pm

Dirtydave wrote:Ben Youngs looks like a pub player, his distribution has sowed total panic throughout the backline.

Whats irritating me is he keeps taking 2 or 3 steps before he passes....it just telegraphs what hes doing

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Post by Dirtydave on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:38 pm

Kyle Sinkler isn't renowned as a smart player, but even for him that was stupid!

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:38 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:You have to imagine if France score next it will be too much for england to claw back.
Trying to remember when we last overcame a 17 point deficit. Mind you, we've certainly let teams back in against us from there.

Its definitely possible but big ask

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Post by carpet baboon on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:38 pm

I did say england would have a Minny implosion

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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:38 pm

Think the biggest issue here is that France are scoring a lot of points and England arent

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:38 pm

Not getting the rub of the green in the 50 50s here but we need Heinz on asap.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:38 pm

France are aggressive and physical. Playing very well

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun 02 Feb 2020, 3:39 pm

This is terrible from England. making toooo many mistakes all over the place.

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