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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 23 May 2020, 8:55 pm

First topic message reminder :

We have actual cricket news for the first time in forever...and some hope that we will see some test matches this summer!

England bowlers began a return to individual training on Thursday, with batsmen and wicketkeepers scheduled to make a return on 1st June, in anticipation of the West Indies series being rescheduled to begin on 8th July (all according to various reports).

There was also reports a few weeks back they might play some one day games, whilst tests are happening too. Not seen anything else about that, but with England’s depth in the shorter format it could be done you’d think players wise (and actually would present a good opportunity to some on the fringes)

ECB is going to confirm the full list of players who will resume training next week. Murmurings about Hales in the one day stuff don’t go away...

So anyways - let’s keep fingers crossed, and hope everyone who posts here is healthy and staying safe too Hug
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 2:58 pm

And as I praise it, Dom goes big and goes out

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 2:58 pm

Fine innings by Sibley, but over extended himself trying to up the rate.
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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 2:58 pm

Sibley out ... no great disaster but just goes to show its one thing to want to score faster and another to do it.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 2:59 pm

Sibley goes. That was very unselfish, fair play.

Only five fours in an innings of over 300+ balls is a rarity, though Don Bradman did it once.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 2:59 pm

Sibley caught in the deep for 120 clap

Good lad...playing for the team. Now Pope...who had a horrible match last week . Think he will drop and run for a bit , perhaps , with Stokes in this form...

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 2:59 pm

In the end Sibley really didn't need to do much more than turn the strike over to Stokes in this mood, got a bit excited
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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:05 pm

Excellent innings by Sibley and the right time to fall on his sword to some extent by playing outside his comfort zone to either push the rate or get out. With quick scoring batsman to come, plus potential rain delays tomorrow, it's the right time for England to push the rate. From this foundation they should be batting themselves into a a position from which at the very least they won't lose.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:10 pm

king_carlos wrote:Excellent innings by Sibley and the right time to fall on his sword to some extent by playing outside his comfort zone to either push the rate or get out. With quick scoring batsman to come, plus potential rain delays tomorrow, it's the right time for England to push the rate. From this foundation they should be batting themselves into a a position from which at the very least they won't lose.

Pretty hard to lose from this sort of position. Though there was a match once , in Adelaide Whistle

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:14 pm

350 up, Pope starting at a good pace.

To be honest, I'm amazed Gabriel has an economy below 3!

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Post by dummy_half on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:15 pm

Duty281 wrote:350 up, Pope starting at a good pace.

To be honest, I'm amazed Gabriel has an economy below 3!

Hard to hit the ball for runs if you can't reach it...

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:15 pm

alfie wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Excellent innings by Sibley and the right time to fall on his sword to some extent by playing outside his comfort zone to either push the rate or get out. With quick scoring batsman to come, plus potential rain delays tomorrow, it's the right time for England to push the rate. From this foundation they should be batting themselves into a a position from which at the very least they won't lose.

Pretty hard to lose from this sort of position.  Though there was a match once , in Adelaide Whistle

16 wickets remaining for England in total. By my count that's a couple of collapses of 4 wickets each - 8 wickets. A five-fer for Roston Chase - 13 wickets. And Buttler somehow getting caught and bowled three times - that's 16 wickets. Wink

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:17 pm

Pope gone lbw
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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:18 pm

If ever there were a time for Jos Buttler to play his natural way...

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:19 pm

This might not be a bad pitch for Bess and maybe Root. With some cloud cover, England's attack might get more from this surface
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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:20 pm

No joy for Pope...not much doubt about that one.

Buttler next : and not altogether a comfortable situation for him , given recent poor firm . Any runs he does get , in these low pressure circumstances , are going to be a bit devalued ...and if he fails ?

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:21 pm

Looked plumb in real time, but Hawkeye said it was clipping leg stump by the narrowest of margins.

Good chance for Buttler to serve up his natural game to a tired attack...mind you, England might struggle to reach 420 if they lose another one quickly.

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:23 pm

king_carlos wrote:
alfie wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Excellent innings by Sibley and the right time to fall on his sword to some extent by playing outside his comfort zone to either push the rate or get out. With quick scoring batsman to come, plus potential rain delays tomorrow, it's the right time for England to push the rate. From this foundation they should be batting themselves into a a position from which at the very least they won't lose.

Pretty hard to lose from this sort of position.  Though there was a match once , in Adelaide Whistle

16 wickets remaining for England in total. By my count that's a couple of collapses of 4 wickets each - 8 wickets. A five-fer for Roston Chase - 13 wickets. And Buttler somehow getting caught and bowled three times - that's 16 wickets. Wink

Chase has four already Smile

No , they aren't going to lose from here. Just that bl..dy match has haunted my nightmares for a long time...

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:24 pm

Duty281 wrote:Looked plumb in real time, but Hawkeye said it was clipping leg stump by the narrowest of margins.

Good chance for Buttler to serve up his natural game to a tired attack...mind you, England might struggle to reach 420 if they lose another one quickly.

That's my concern. This is a position where England should be eyeing up 500.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:26 pm

There's a lot of talk like this game is done and we just need to smash it. The score is 353-5. Not 500. We've got to a point now where we have accepted, thanks to low standards of this side, 350 as huge

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:26 pm

alfie wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
alfie wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Excellent innings by Sibley and the right time to fall on his sword to some extent by playing outside his comfort zone to either push the rate or get out. With quick scoring batsman to come, plus potential rain delays tomorrow, it's the right time for England to push the rate. From this foundation they should be batting themselves into a a position from which at the very least they won't lose.

Pretty hard to lose from this sort of position.  Though there was a match once , in Adelaide Whistle

16 wickets remaining for England in total. By my count that's a couple of collapses of 4 wickets each - 8 wickets. A five-fer for Roston Chase - 13 wickets. And Buttler somehow getting caught and bowled three times - that's 16 wickets. Wink

Chase has four already Smile

No , they aren't going to lose from here. Just that bl..dy match has haunted my nightmares for a long time...

I'm thinking a 2nd innings five-fer there. His wickets in this spell are included in this collapse it would seem.

'A couple of 4 wicket collapses'. We are two wickets in quick succession here and Buttler with an LBW shout turned down...

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:27 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:There's a lot of talk like this game is done and we just need to smash it. The score is 353-5. Not 500. We've got to a point now where we have accepted, thanks to low standards of this side, 350 as huge

My thoughts exactly Dolph. The pitch is doing a bit but not a huge amount. 400 shouldn't be the target from here. 500 should be.

It is turning for Chase here though!

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:29 pm

Holder not having a good game ...wasted his last review with a very "hopeful" shout then... Wasn't even close.

At the moment , Chase looks the main threat to England...there is spin there , so Bess might have some influence later...

And maybe Root ?

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:29 pm

It's more the time left in the game with rain around tomorrow is on the verge of taking a West Indies win out of contention barring something remarkable.

Don't think England will be too upset to see what Chase is getting out of this pitch
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:31 pm

Not done, far from done, but England need to get a shift on if they're to force a result. They need to have at least ten overs at the Windies tonight. 450+ would be a fine total.

Run rate of 3.79 this session so far - that's fine.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:37 pm

GSC wrote:It's more the time left in the game with rain around tomorrow is on the verge of taking a West Indies win out of contention barring something remarkable.

Don't think England will be too upset to see what Chase is getting out of this pitch

Yep - the WIndies win is already out of the equation (they know this too - and suspect you'll see them batting for a draw when they do get in).

Plenty of spin, and there has been pretty consistent swing for the seamers too (good for Woakes and Curran you'd think). Don't think England will be too unhappy with what they're seeing out of the pitch...
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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:47 pm

OK what's the plan now ? 54 overs today have yielded 160. Try for , say , 450 and a dozen overs at them tonight - light permitting ?

That needs another 94 in what , twenty overs or so ?

Or are they planning to bat all day , do you think ?

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Post by VTR on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:48 pm

A shame England don't have a spinner of the calibre of KP Fan to exploit the conditions!

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:48 pm

Wouldn't rule out a Windies win, though it's highly unlikely. An Adelaide 2006 scenario is possible (sorry Alfie!) if the Windies apply themselves with the bat/England bowl poorly, and on a wearing pitch Chase could do more damage.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:53 pm

That wasn't hitting a 5th stump Roston
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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:57 pm

Duty281 wrote:Wouldn't rule out a Windies win, though it's highly unlikely. An Adelaide 2006 scenario is possible (sorry Alfie!) if the Windies apply themselves with the bat/England bowl poorly, and on a wearing pitch Chase could do more damage.

No.

No again.

That's Chase bowling...not Warne Smile

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:58 pm

Another excellent session for England - hour to an hour and a half of batting after tea, get that lead up over 450, and have a dart at them tonight
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 3:58 pm

3.68 RR in that session - need more push in the last.

41 overs left in the day (minus 2 for changeover) and up to 2hrs 45 minutes of play (minus 10 for changeover). If the light holds, give it another 25-30 overs?

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:01 pm

alfie wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Wouldn't rule out a Windies win, though it's highly unlikely. An Adelaide 2006 scenario is possible (sorry Alfie!) if the Windies apply themselves with the bat/England bowl poorly, and on a wearing pitch Chase could do more damage.

No.

No again.

That's Chase bowling...not Warne Smile

Warne's best test figures - 8/71.
Chase's best test figures - 8/60!

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:01 pm

Don't think the light will hold sadly.

Want 450 as minimum before it goes ideally
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Post by Soul Requiem on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:01 pm

Duty281 wrote:
alfie wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Wouldn't rule out a Windies win, though it's highly unlikely. An Adelaide 2006 scenario is possible (sorry Alfie!) if the Windies apply themselves with the bat/England bowl poorly, and on a wearing pitch Chase could do more damage.

No.

No again.

That's Chase bowling...not Warne Smile

Warne's best test figures - 8/71.
Chase's best test figures - 8/60!

And?

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Post by GSC on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:04 pm

To be honest, even if we get to the position where the WIs could put England back in and bowl at a win, I'm not sure how keen Holder would be given 2 of his seamers are carrying injuries now
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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:12 pm

alfie wrote:OK what's the plan now ? 54 overs today have yielded 160.  Try for , say , 450 and a dozen overs at them tonight - light permitting ?

That needs another 94 in what , twenty overs or so ?

Or are they planning to bat all day , do you think ?

Push on as much as sensibly possible, tire them out further and declare to give 'em 10 to 12 overs tonight. That's my priority from here rather than our first innings total although - handing over to Craig Wink - 500 would be lovely and could be on if Stokes / Buttler fully go to town, then knock off an opener and the nightwatchman before stumps.




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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:27 pm

Like your plan , guildford . So that means another 25/26 overs max to bat , if you want a dozen at them tonight. Trouble is the light might prevent them all being bowled...

Anyway they're going after them now. And Holder hasn't a lot of ammunition to throw at them after 141 overs so runs should flow pretty freely from here .

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Post by alfie on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:28 pm

That was a pretty loose over from Chase , too...he is probably not used to bowling this many overs ! Even spinners get tired...

Buttler won't mind Smile

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:29 pm

Goodbye, Ben. Another lovely knock.

Think things might come to their conclusion soon!

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 17 Jul 2020, 4:30 pm

Shame he didn't make it a double ton, but another superb innings.

55 more for that precious 450 mark.

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