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Post by LordDowlais Tue 16 Mar 2021, 2:17 pm

First topic message reminder :

SAT 20 MAR 2021GUINNESS SIX NATIONS
France v Wales 20:00 kick off
Venue: Stade de France

Well no one else is doing one, so I thought I would put it on here.

Will Wales get the Grand Slam ? Are France too good ? Will Wales win the title ?

Wales obviously need to win the game for a grand slam, but a draw or two losing bonus points would see us win the title, if France win with a bonus point and deny us anything, then they would need to take all points on offer against Scotland for the title. If Wales deny France a bonus point, but they win, then then get 5points from the Scotland game, then it will come down to points difference.

Wow that makes my head hurt. In my opinion, Wales need to just try and beat France, to avoid any permutations. It's going to be a nail biter that's for sure so lets fasten ourselves in and hope for the best. What do you all reckon ?

Come on Wales Wales


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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:52 pm

Should be down to 12! Don't know why the French are taking the time-consuming option of a scrum.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:53 pm

Terrible call to go for scrum
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:53 pm

Crazy.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:54 pm

Would love a France win

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Post by tigertattie Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:54 pm

Is there another twist????
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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:55 pm

Grandstand finish! 14 v 13. Three points in it. Three minutes left.

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Post by RiscaGame Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:55 pm

The Oracle wrote:Throwing this away now. D*ickhead Liam Williams.

Always that in him.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:57 pm

I think Jiffy is going to explode
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Post by tigertattie Sat 20 Mar 2021, 9:59 pm

What

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:00 pm

Oh dear

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:00 pm

That is absolutely justice, sorry but delighted for France.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:00 pm

Wow, what a finish! Amazing composure from the French to get over, like New Zealand against Ireland in 2013.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:01 pm

Wow. Genuinely gutted for wales.

Don’t be too disheartened wales. Scotland will do you a favour next week.
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Post by The Oracle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:01 pm

Ah well, well done France.

Those yellow cards - hang your heads in shame. Lost us the GS.
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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:01 pm

Good lord.

Good lawd.

Good god, my lord.

I'm not even religious.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:02 pm

That's tough, cost me a few quid too.
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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:03 pm

Fantastic game of rugby. Full credit to both teams.

Wales went for 3 at 27-20 up instead of the try, when France were down to 14 - key moment?

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Post by JDizzle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:03 pm

Well played France. Wasn’t sure about the Hill sealing off penalty given what else Pearce let go, but fair play to France - kept their composure brilliantly.

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Post by quinsforever Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:04 pm

The Oracle wrote:Ah well, well done France.

Those yellow cards - hang your heads in shame. Lost us the GS.

yes but they saved probable tries. and there should arguably have been more yellows.

and i think they missed a french try.

however, great, great game. thoroughly enjoyed it.

wales played their best rugby of the 6N today IMO

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Post by The Oracle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:04 pm

So France need a BP win v Scotland and then is it head to head as it would be 20 points all? Or points difference?
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Post by Cyril Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:04 pm

Yes! France! Wink

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Post by JDizzle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:05 pm

Duty281 wrote:Fantastic game of rugby. Full credit to both teams.

Wales went for 3 at 27-20 up instead of the try, when France were down to 14 - key moment?

Wales should have taken the scrum before the final penalty. Would have killed a good 30 seconds to 1 minute even setting it up.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:05 pm

JDizzle wrote:Well played France. Wasn’t sure about the Hill sealing off penalty given what else Pearce let go, but fair play to France - kept their composure brilliantly.
I think refs always get stricter on sides trying to run the clock down like that to be fair.

What a finish. Just ridiculous.

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Post by The Oracle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:06 pm

quinsforever wrote:
The Oracle wrote:Ah well, well done France.

Those yellow cards - hang your heads in shame. Lost us the GS.

yes but they saved probable tries. and there should arguably have been more yellows.

and i think they missed a french try.

however, great, great game. thoroughly enjoyed it.

wales played their best rugby of the 6N today IMO

Disagree on the last bit. We’ve played better. France’s choice to be passive at the rucks made us look better than previous matches, IMO.
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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:06 pm

The Oracle wrote:So France need a BP win v Scotland and then is it head to head as it would be 20 points all? Or points difference?

Points difference first, so France need a pretty big win (20+) if I've read it right.

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Post by Old Man Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:07 pm

Best match of the six nations.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:08 pm

Old Man wrote:Best match of the six nations.

Must be a leading contender for the greatest match in Six Nations history.

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Post by The Oracle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:08 pm

Stupid, stupid play with 15 seconds left! Trying to play it slow and run the clock down. And then pinged for sealing off and f*cking lost possession and lead to 2 minutes over time and the french try. Gash.

I thought the red ref was good though OK

Edit: meant to say ref not red. But agree with the red too.


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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:09 pm

I thought iy would be a close game, but i honestly thought Wales would win in the last 10 minutes. I truly never expected France to score in the very last minutes of the game.

Hard luck Wales no Grand Slam but surely the best team in this years 6ns.

Congratulations to France. never gave up and played to the last minute of tge game. clap clap clap clap

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Post by bsando Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:09 pm

Bad luck Wales fans, thought you had that one. I thought you deserved the Grand Slam, they were the better side for he majority of that game.

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Post by The Oracle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:09 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Old Man wrote:Best match of the six nations.

Must be a leading contender for the greatest match in Six Nations history.

Really?!
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Post by RiscaGame Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:10 pm

The Oracle wrote:Stupid, stupid play with 15 seconds left! Trying to play it slow and run the clock down. And then pinged for sealing off and f*cking lost possession and lead to 2 minutes over time and the french try. Gash.

I thought the red was good though OK

Such poor time management really.

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Post by Old Man Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:12 pm

The Oracle wrote:Stupid, stupid play with 15 seconds left! Trying to play it slow and run the clock down. And then pinged for sealing off and f*cking lost possession and lead to 2 minutes over time and the french try. Gash.

I thought the red was good though OK
Springboks lost a trinations match against Australia like that, James O’Connor kicked a 50 meter penalty for the win.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:12 pm

I have so much respect for AWJ. I think he's a marvelous player and captain. That respect would only have increased if he'd responded to that first question with, "f*** off d***head, how do you think I'm feeling. Why don't we get a collection of 20 stone Frenchman to run at your face for 80 minutes then see how you answer moronic questions".

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Post by The Oracle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:12 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
The Oracle wrote:Stupid, stupid play with 15 seconds left! Trying to play it slow and run the clock down. And then pinged for sealing off and f*cking lost possession and lead to 2 minutes over time and the french try. Gash.

I thought the red was good though OK

Such poor time management really.


Sorry, when I said Red I meant ref! But yes I still think it was a red too! But the ref was good Smile
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Post by tigertattie Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:12 pm

Inverdale doesn’t understand why the table.

France need to beat Scotland with 4 tries and then it goes to points Difference. If France don’t win with the BP then wales win the title
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Post by The Oracle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:14 pm

king_carlos wrote:I have so much respect for AWJ. I think he's a marvelous player and captain. That respect would only have increased if he'd responded to that first question with, "f*** off d***head, how do you think I'm feeling. Why don't we get a collection of 20 stone Frenchman to run at your face for 80 minutes then see how you answer moronic questions".

Laugh Laugh
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Post by Cyril Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:14 pm

Fair play to France, they will crush Scotland next week. What a weird tournament Smile

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Post by quinsforever Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:15 pm

The Oracle wrote:
quinsforever wrote:
The Oracle wrote:Ah well, well done France.

Those yellow cards - hang your heads in shame. Lost us the GS.

yes but they saved probable tries. and there should arguably have been more yellows.

and i think they missed a french try.

however, great, great game. thoroughly enjoyed it.

wales played their best rugby of the 6N today IMO

Disagree on the last bit. We’ve played better. France’s choice to be passive at the rucks made us look better than previous matches, IMO.
fair enough that's a good point

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Post by chris_501 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:15 pm

king_carlos wrote:I have so much respect for AWJ. I think he's a marvelous player and captain. That respect would only have increased if he'd responded to that first question with, "f*** off d***head, how do you think I'm feeling. Why don't we get a collection of 20 stone Frenchman to run at your face for 80 minutes then see how you answer moronic questions".

He was lucky AWJ didn’t hear his last question initially, he had a chance to rephrase it!

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:18 pm

Too many yellows for us, guess our luck run out. Oh well. Pivac out Wink.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:20 pm

tigertattie wrote:Inverdale doesn’t understand why the table.

France need to beat Scotland with 4 tries and then it goes to points Difference. If France don’t win with the BP then wales win the title
Yep, France need to win with the TBP by 21 points or more.

France are definitely capable of that. Scotland are also capable of preventing them. France will have more to play for though. Should be a helter skelter match. France will obviously come out hard running everything and Scotland will most likely follow suit.

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Post by The Oracle Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:22 pm

quinsforever wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
quinsforever wrote:
The Oracle wrote:Ah well, well done France.

Those yellow cards - hang your heads in shame. Lost us the GS.

yes but they saved probable tries. and there should arguably have been more yellows.

and i think they missed a french try.

however, great, great game. thoroughly enjoyed it.

wales played their best rugby of the 6N today IMO

Disagree on the last bit. We’ve played better. France’s choice to be passive at the rucks made us look better than previous matches, IMO.
fair enough that's a good point

Yeah, we didn’t make ground like that all tournament. They didn’t seem to flood the ruck like other teams did/do. We made lots of ‘hard’ yards today around the ruck whereas against 14 Irish, for example, we were battered and had to go wide. But hey ho. I’m not too gutted to be honest.
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Post by chris_501 Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:22 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Too many yellows for us, guess our luck run out. Oh well. Pivac out Wink.

I’m assuming that’s a joke. If not, luckily the WRU will pay absolutely zero attention to your opinion.

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Post by RiscaGame Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:22 pm

The Oracle wrote:
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The Oracle wrote:Stupid, stupid play with 15 seconds left! Trying to play it slow and run the clock down. And then pinged for sealing off and f*cking lost possession and lead to 2 minutes over time and the french try. Gash.

I thought the red was good though OK

Such poor time management really.


Sorry, when I said Red I meant ref! But yes I still think it was a red too! But the ref was good Smile

Aye, I was just responding to the first bit
It was gash. I don’t get it really.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:23 pm

king_carlos wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Inverdale doesn’t understand why the table.

France need to beat Scotland with 4 tries and then it goes to points Difference. If France don’t win with the BP then wales win the title
Yep, France need to win with the TBP by 21 points or more.

France are definitely capable of that. Scotland are also capable of preventing them. France will have more to play for though. Should be a helter skelter match. France will obviously come out hard running everything and Scotland will most likely follow suit.

That’s my point Carlos. France went chasing the 4 tires tonight and they struggled. Next week they need to chase the 4 tries again and win by 21 or more. That could play right into Scotland’s hands who have nothing to play for really. France forcing it could be their undoing.

Wales very much have one hand on the trophy I think
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Post by TJ Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:24 pm

Duty281 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:So France need a BP win v Scotland and then is it head to head as it would be 20 points all? Or points difference?

Points difference first, so France need a pretty big win (20+) if I've read it right.

Or Scotland win by 7 or with a bonus point and Wales win with Scotland second!

Anything could happen.

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Post by Galted Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:25 pm

Old Man wrote:
The Oracle wrote:Stupid, stupid play with 15 seconds left! Trying to play it slow and run the clock down. And then pinged for sealing off and f*cking lost possession and lead to 2 minutes over time and the french try. Gash.

I thought the red was good though OK
Springboks lost a trinations match against Australia like that, James O’Connor kicked a 50 meter penalty for the win.

I remember that game.  SA came from 31-6 down to lead at the end and were moving backwards trying to run the clock down when they gave the penalty away.  Was Beale who kicked it though.
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Post by theslosty Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:28 pm

Ah that's really tough on Wales, commiserations but at least you've enjoyed a few Grand Slams in recent years. Warburton and Roberts speak well, in fact Jonathan Davies who's not always known for his impartiality remained impressively level-headed.

Lots of big refereeing calls but to the letter of the law they seemed to be mostly correct and were awarded fairly evenly to both sides. I've not much more to say other than a brilliant game to cap off* a surprisingly entertaining tournament given the circumstances

*bar France-Scotland
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Post by Noble-Surfer Sat 20 Mar 2021, 10:29 pm

What can I say after that game?! Such a fantastic game! High tempo from the start, and had everything! Brilliant game!

I am absolutely gutted we couldn't get the slam, but full credit to France for hanging in there and clinching it at the end.

Got to say, I thought Luke Pearce ref'd the game brilliantly - really encouraged the high tempo, and did all he could to keep the game flowing, consistently telling both sides to use the ball as soon as it was available.

Come on Scotland!

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