South Africa v British & Irish Lions, 31 July

The Oracle wrote:

EST wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:McBride has just read out a prepared statement re Biggar's concussion protocols after Jones updated yesterday that Biggar had trained well all week. Did not answer the journalists question however on whether this meant that Biggar had trained or whether it was just a turn of phrase. Sounds like the Lions are playing fast and loose on health.

THis is from Walesonline on the Jones quotes yesterday:

How is Dan Biggar? Has he completed his return-to-play protocols after a HIA?

"I wasn’t aware he was carrying anything. As I can see, he has trained fully.

"I’m not part of the medical team so I can’t give you a full answer on that. The squad as a whole is important."

Has he trained much?

"As I already said, yes."

Confirmed that Faletau is the openside cover.

It's a very bad look, and really strange the captain doesn't know the starting 10 suffered a concussion.

Your main problem there is taking something WalesOnline has printed and assumed it is true/accurate. It’s a compete rag that often just copies and pastes stuff from other sites. I’d take it all with a pinch of salt. Plus, as others have said there is an element of smokescreens from the Lions. And thirdly, a number of posters questioned exactly where Dan Biggar picked up the head injury because no one seemed to see it and thought it might have been a bluff to allow Daly back on the pitch (which he couldn’t do if Biggar had a ‘normal’ injury). Overall, I’d say there is more to this than a ‘bad look’ from the captain.

The Oracle wrote:I’ve watched it. Can’t see anything from that suggesting a ‘bad look’ for the captain. Just more partisan criticism from posters on here, I feel. Anything to run the Lions AWJ down.

EST wrote:

The Oracle wrote:

EST wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:McBride has just read out a prepared statement re Biggar's concussion protocols after Jones updated yesterday that Biggar had trained well all week. Did not answer the journalists question however on whether this meant that Biggar had trained or whether it was just a turn of phrase. Sounds like the Lions are playing fast and loose on health.

THis is from Walesonline on the Jones quotes yesterday:

How is Dan Biggar? Has he completed his return-to-play protocols after a HIA?

"I wasn’t aware he was carrying anything. As I can see, he has trained fully.

"I’m not part of the medical team so I can’t give you a full answer on that. The squad as a whole is important."

Has he trained much?

"As I already said, yes."

Confirmed that Faletau is the openside cover.

It's a very bad look, and really strange the captain doesn't know the starting 10 suffered a concussion.

Your main problem there is taking something WalesOnline has printed and assumed it is true/accurate. It’s a compete rag that often just copies and pastes stuff from other sites. I’d take it all with a pinch of salt. Plus, as others have said there is an element of smokescreens from the Lions. And thirdly, a number of posters questioned exactly where Dan Biggar picked up the head injury because no one seemed to see it and thought it might have been a bluff to allow Daly back on the pitch (which he couldn’t do if Biggar had a ‘normal’ injury). Overall, I’d say there is more to this than a ‘bad look’ from the captain.

Agree it's a rag, but I've listened to the video footage of AWJ and it was a bad enough look that the Lions had to read out a pre-prepared statement this morning.  If you think it's not just a bit strange that he wasn't aware of the concussion, when it's been a major talking point all week, then fair enough.

On your last point, that's a pretty big statement that the Lions faked a concussion, I certainly hope something as fundamentally serious to the future of the game is not being treated in that manner. As I understand it, somebody who has suffered repeated head injuries (like Biggar) have a higher risk factor for further concussive episodes - direct contact with the head is not always required.

MichaelT wrote:

The Oracle wrote:And thirdly, a number of posters questioned exactly where Dan Biggar picked up the head injury because no one seemed to see it and thought it might have been a bluff to allow Daly back on the pitch (which he couldn’t do if Biggar had a ‘normal’ injury).

I thought Biggar hit his head when he hit the ground? I haven't watched that part again, but that's what I thought when the incident happened and then he went off for a HIA shortly afterwards.

mikey_dragon wrote:

The Oracle wrote:I’ve watched it. Can’t see anything from that suggesting a ‘bad look’ for the captain. Just more partisan criticism from posters on here, I feel. Anything to run the Lions AWJ down.

More accurate.

The Oracle wrote:I just don’t believe that AWJ doesn’t know about a concussion in the team. Even my mum knows about it! So either he’s not wanting to give up info to the media or he’s saying that he doesn’t think Biggar is carrying anything I.e. he’s been passed fit so no concussion. They’ve even employed an independent concussion specialist so if Biggr passed  everything then technically he’s not ‘carrying anything’, so could you not argue that the captain was correct?

No 7&1/2 wrote:The bad look is for the coaching and medical staff not Jones surely. There were question marks around LCD, Jones being rushed back and now this.

The Oracle wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:The bad look is for the coaching and medical staff not Jones surely. There were question marks around LCD, Jones being rushed back and now this.[/quote

Are you claiming they have broken medical ethics and return to play rules?

No 7&1/2 wrote:

The Oracle wrote:I just don’t believe that AWJ doesn’t know about a concussion in the team. Even my mum knows about it! So either he’s not wanting to give up info to the media or he’s saying that he doesn’t think Biggar is carrying anything I.e. he’s been passed fit so no concussion. They’ve even employed an independent concussion specialist so if Biggr passed  everything then technically he’s not ‘carrying anything’, so could you not argue that the captain was correct?

So if he's correct then Biggar has been training all week. Do you see the issue?

R!skysports wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

The Oracle wrote:I just don’t believe that AWJ doesn’t know about a concussion in the team. Even my mum knows about it! So either he’s not wanting to give up info to the media or he’s saying that he doesn’t think Biggar is carrying anything I.e. he’s been passed fit so no concussion. They’ve even employed an independent concussion specialist so if Biggr passed  everything then technically he’s not ‘carrying anything’, so could you not argue that the captain was correct?

So if he's correct then Biggar has been training all week. Do you see the issue?

But can you train (i.e exercise) without doing contact when doing a return after a HIA?

I need to review my headcase training

Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually

Old Man wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually

Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?

Old Man wrote:I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.
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protea438 wrote:

Old Man wrote:I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.
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In their defense at least they are sticking up for their team in a way, unlike some...

doctor_grey wrote:

Old Man wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually

Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?

he must be thinking about how the Springboks lost to England in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final…..

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Old Man wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually

Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?

he must be thinking about how the Springboks lost to England in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final…..

.........and the 2007 RWC final

doctor_grey wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Old Man wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually

Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?

he must be thinking about how the Springboks lost to England in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final…..

.........and the 2007 RWC final

Good catch.  England could have lost that match if Mark Cueto’s foot was in touch before he grounded the ball.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Old Man wrote:I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.
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In their defense at least they are sticking up for their team in a way, unlike some...

So you're not interested in taking a view based on the situation merely based on the colour shirt.

protea438 wrote:

Old Man wrote:I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.
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In their defense at least they are sticking up for their team in a way, unlike some...

RiscaGame wrote:What pressure did Gatland apply? I’ve seen this said a lot, but all I can find, is clickbait type headlines saying “Gatland is furious”, with not one quote.

All he has said, is he was after clarification over the De Klerk incident, from the SA “A” game. I honestly can’t find anything else.

doctor_grey wrote:Depending on one’s POV, The referee/TMO will be one or more of:
(1) intimidated by Rassie
(2) intimidated by Gatland
(3) favouring the Springboks
(4) favouring the Lions
(5) totally incompetent
OR
(6) stone cold drunk

doctor_grey wrote:Pumped full of Xanax and washed down by a bottle of whiskey. How did you know how I prepare for surgery?

TightHEAD wrote:Just not rugby is it.

The core of our game is built on respect.

This week SA blew all that apart, shame on them and hopefully World Rugby will grow a set and punish them financially.

Also their actions have put pay to them joining the 6 Nations, who would want to put up with them bitching all the time, it's like planning a nice day out only to take the wife along!

TightHEAD wrote:It's constant bitching, SA are acting like a bunch of old women at a school reunion.

Glad when this tour is over, worst Lions tour ever with weak mid week games, no fans and moaning Waterboys with issues.