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Post by George Carlin Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:23 am

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SOUTH AFRICA BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
Saturday 31 July
KO: 18:00 SAST / 17:00 UK / 20:00 Dubai  Very Happy
Cape Town Stadium (Newlands), Cape Town
Sky Sports Main Event

Referee: Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand)
Assistant Referees: Nic Berry (Australia), Mathieu Raynal (France)
TMO: Marius Jonker ( Erm )

TEAMS:

SOUTH AFRICA:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 63 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 15 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 16 caps, 15 pts (3t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 48 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 15 caps, 70 pts (14t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 50 caps, 477pts (6t, 78c, 93p, 4d)
09 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 31 caps, 25 pts (5t)

08 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 1 cap, 0 pts
07 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 25 pts (5t)
06 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 52 caps, 30 pts (6t)
05 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 41 caps, 5pts (1t)
04 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 87 caps, 15 pts (3t)
03 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 5pts (1t)
02 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 38 caps, 40 pts (8t)
01 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)

16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 35 caps, 30 pts (6t)
17 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 44 caps, 5 pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 21 caps, 0 pts
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 46 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 3 caps, 0 pts
21 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 8 caps, 5 pts (1t)
22 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 12 caps, 25 pts (5t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 8 caps, 5pts (1t)

BRITISH & IRISH LIONS:
15. Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13. Chris Harris (Gloucester Rugby, Scotland) #844
12. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
09. Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790

01. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, England) #787
02. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
03. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
04. Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
05. Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
06. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
07. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
08. Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839

16. Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17. Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19. Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20. Taulupe Faletau (Bath Rugby, Wales) #779
21. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #843
22. Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23. Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822

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Post by The Oracle Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:26 am

I’ve watched it. Can’t see anything from that suggesting a ‘bad look’ for the captain. Just more partisan criticism from posters on here, I feel. Anything to run the Lions down.
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Post by EST Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:27 am

The Oracle wrote:
EST wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:McBride has just read out a prepared statement re Biggar's concussion protocols after Jones updated yesterday that Biggar had trained well all week. Did not answer the journalists question however on whether this meant that Biggar had trained or whether it was just a turn of phrase. Sounds like the Lions are playing fast and loose on health.

THis is from Walesonline on the Jones quotes yesterday:

How is Dan Biggar? Has he completed his return-to-play protocols after a HIA?

"I wasn’t aware he was carrying anything. As I can see, he has trained fully.

"I’m not part of the medical team so I can’t give you a full answer on that. The squad as a whole is important."

Has he trained much?

"As I already said, yes."

Confirmed that Faletau is the openside cover.

It's a very bad look, and really strange the captain doesn't know the starting 10 suffered a concussion.

Your main problem there is taking something WalesOnline has printed and assumed it is true/accurate. It’s a compete rag that often just copies and pastes stuff from other sites. I’d take it all with a pinch of salt. Plus, as others have said there is an element of smokescreens from the Lions. And thirdly, a number of posters questioned exactly where Dan Biggar picked up the head injury because no one seemed to see it and thought it might have been a bluff to allow Daly back on the pitch (which he couldn’t do if Biggar had a ‘normal’ injury). Overall, I’d say there is more to this than a ‘bad look’ from the captain.

Agree it's a rag, but I've listened to the video footage of AWJ and it was a bad enough look that the Lions had to read out a pre-prepared statement this morning. If you think it's not just a bit strange that he wasn't aware of the concussion, when it's been a major talking point all week, then fair enough.

On your last point, that's a pretty big statement that the Lions faked a concussion, I certainly hope something as fundamentally serious to the future of the game is not being treated in that manner. As I understand it, somebody who has suffered repeated head injuries (like Biggar) have a higher risk factor for further concussive episodes - direct contact with the head is not always required.

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:28 am

The Oracle wrote:I’ve watched it. Can’t see anything from that suggesting a ‘bad look’ for the captain. Just more partisan criticism from posters on here, I feel. Anything to run the Lions AWJ down.

More accurate.

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Post by The Oracle Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:31 am

EST wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
EST wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:McBride has just read out a prepared statement re Biggar's concussion protocols after Jones updated yesterday that Biggar had trained well all week. Did not answer the journalists question however on whether this meant that Biggar had trained or whether it was just a turn of phrase. Sounds like the Lions are playing fast and loose on health.

THis is from Walesonline on the Jones quotes yesterday:

How is Dan Biggar? Has he completed his return-to-play protocols after a HIA?

"I wasn’t aware he was carrying anything. As I can see, he has trained fully.

"I’m not part of the medical team so I can’t give you a full answer on that. The squad as a whole is important."

Has he trained much?

"As I already said, yes."

Confirmed that Faletau is the openside cover.

It's a very bad look, and really strange the captain doesn't know the starting 10 suffered a concussion.

Your main problem there is taking something WalesOnline has printed and assumed it is true/accurate. It’s a compete rag that often just copies and pastes stuff from other sites. I’d take it all with a pinch of salt. Plus, as others have said there is an element of smokescreens from the Lions. And thirdly, a number of posters questioned exactly where Dan Biggar picked up the head injury because no one seemed to see it and thought it might have been a bluff to allow Daly back on the pitch (which he couldn’t do if Biggar had a ‘normal’ injury). Overall, I’d say there is more to this than a ‘bad look’ from the captain.

Agree it's a rag, but I've listened to the video footage of AWJ and it was a bad enough look that the Lions had to read out a pre-prepared statement this morning.  If you think it's not just a bit strange that he wasn't aware of the concussion, when it's been a major talking point all week, then fair enough.

On your last point, that's a pretty big statement that the Lions faked a concussion, I certainly hope something as fundamentally serious to the future of the game is not being treated in that manner. As I understand it, somebody who has suffered repeated head injuries (like Biggar) have a higher risk factor for further concussive episodes - direct contact with the head is not always required.

I’m not making the claim. Just repeating the theory proposed by others on the match thread.
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Post by lostinwales Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:32 am

MichaelT wrote:
The Oracle wrote:And thirdly, a number of posters questioned exactly where Dan Biggar picked up the head injury because no one seemed to see it and thought it might have been a bluff to allow Daly back on the pitch (which he couldn’t do if Biggar had a ‘normal’ injury).

I thought Biggar hit his head when he hit the ground? I haven't watched that part again, but that's what I thought when the incident happened and then he went off for a HIA shortly afterwards.

My impression was it was the back of his head hitting the ground. I can't remember what it was (attempted tackle?) that lead to this happening. Certainly didn't seem to be as a direct result of contact with another player

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:34 am

The bad look is for the coaching and medical staff not Jones surely. There were question marks around LCD, Jones being rushed back and now this.

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Post by EST Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:37 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I’ve watched it. Can’t see anything from that suggesting a ‘bad look’ for the captain. Just more partisan criticism from posters on here, I feel. Anything to run the Lions AWJ down.

More accurate.

AWJ is a legend of the game and a wonderful player. It is possible to simultaneously think that this is true and also question comments he makes in a public forum on a very serious topic.


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Post by The Oracle Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:39 am

I just don’t believe that AWJ doesn’t know about a concussion in the team. Even my mum knows about it! So either he’s not wanting to give up info to the media or he’s saying that he doesn’t think Biggar is carrying anything I.e. he’s been passed fit so no concussion. They’ve even employed an independent concussion specialist so if Biggr passed everything then technically he’s not ‘carrying anything’, so could you not argue that the captain was correct?
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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:40 am

The Oracle wrote:I just don’t believe that AWJ doesn’t know about a concussion in the team. Even my mum knows about it! So either he’s not wanting to give up info to the media or he’s saying that he doesn’t think Biggar is carrying anything I.e. he’s been passed fit so no concussion. They’ve even employed an independent concussion specialist so if Biggr passed  everything then technically he’s not ‘carrying anything’, so could you not argue that the captain was correct?

So if he's correct then Biggar has been training all week. Do you see the issue?

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Post by The Oracle Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:41 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:The bad look is for the coaching and medical staff not Jones surely. There were question marks around LCD, Jones being rushed back and now this.

Are you claiming they have broken medical ethics and return to play rules?


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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:42 am

The Oracle wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:The bad look is for the coaching and medical staff not Jones surely. There were question marks around LCD, Jones being rushed back and now this.[/quote

Are you claiming they have broken medical ethics and return to play rules?

Yes that's the question being posed.

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Post by R!skysports Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:59 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I just don’t believe that AWJ doesn’t know about a concussion in the team. Even my mum knows about it! So either he’s not wanting to give up info to the media or he’s saying that he doesn’t think Biggar is carrying anything I.e. he’s been passed fit so no concussion. They’ve even employed an independent concussion specialist so if Biggr passed  everything then technically he’s not ‘carrying anything’, so could you not argue that the captain was correct?

So if he's correct then Biggar has been training all week. Do you see the issue?

But can you train (i.e exercise) without doing contact when doing a return after a HIA?

I need to review my headcase training

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Post by EST Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:16 pm

R!skysports wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I just don’t believe that AWJ doesn’t know about a concussion in the team. Even my mum knows about it! So either he’s not wanting to give up info to the media or he’s saying that he doesn’t think Biggar is carrying anything I.e. he’s been passed fit so no concussion. They’ve even employed an independent concussion specialist so if Biggr passed  everything then technically he’s not ‘carrying anything’, so could you not argue that the captain was correct?

So if he's correct then Biggar has been training all week. Do you see the issue?

But can you train (i.e exercise) without doing contact when doing a return after a HIA?

I need to review my headcase training

The quotes from AWJ would seem to suggest he has been training fully though, that's the issue. I would hope it's just a case of AWJ misspeaking or misunderstanding a specific programme Biggar was on.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:18 pm

I think it steps up. The issue summarised here: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/lions-read-out-letter-press-21182672

It includes the statement delivered by McBride which sidestepped the question around full training and whether it was just a turn of phrase from Jones.

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Post by TightHEAD Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:53 pm

SA are really rattled, I think the pressure will be too much for them, Rassie will implode on the pitch whilst running on with his clipboard I mean water! And the game will be stopped 62 mins in and the win awarded to the Lions.
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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:02 pm

Rassie is behaving out of character, not the Springboks.

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Post by lostinwales Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:16 pm

How much pressure is there on Rassie in SA?

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Post by Collapse2005 Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:23 pm

I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually

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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:35 pm

I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.

I suspect World Rugby is going to come down hard on him, which might lead to him losing his job as Director of Rugby.

And I suspect he knows that, which leads me to what was his ultimate motive for doing this?

There is more to this than meets the eye. I just don’t know what it is.

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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:36 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually
Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?

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Post by doctor_grey Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:14 pm

Old Man wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually
Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?
he must be thinking about how the Springboks lost to England in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final…..

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Post by protea438 Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:16 pm

Old Man wrote:I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.
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In their defense at least they are sticking up for their team in a way, unlike some...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:27 pm

protea438 wrote:
Old Man wrote:I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.
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In their defense at least they are sticking up for their team in a way, unlike some...

So you're not interested in taking a view based on the situation merely based on the colour shirt.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:28 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
Old Man wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually
Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?
he must be thinking about how the Springboks lost to England in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final…..

.........and the 2007 RWC final
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Post by EST Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:33 pm

Kolisi and one of the SA assistant coaches doubling down during the SA press conference - I can't recall a more bitter and petty build up to a game of any sort.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:42 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
Old Man wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually
Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?
he must be thinking about how the Springboks lost to England in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final…..

.........and the 2007 RWC final
Good catch. England could have lost that match if Mark Cueto’s foot was in touch before he grounded the ball.

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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:51 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
Old Man wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:I wouldnt say too much, the Boks dont mind losing usually
Yeah, nah, you’re joking right?
he must be thinking about how the Springboks lost to England in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final…..

.........and the 2007 RWC final
Good catch.  England could have lost that match if Mark Cueto’s foot was in touch before he grounded the ball.
Yahoo

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Post by TightHEAD Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:54 pm

Complaining the ref ignored Kolisi now and was more open in talking to AWJ.

Roll on kick off so we can smash them. Gats team talk has already been done for him.

If we go 2-0 up then as far as I'm concerned they should come home, stuff them.
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Post by protea438 Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:15 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
protea438 wrote:
Old Man wrote:I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.
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In their defense at least they are sticking up for their team in a way, unlike some...

So you're not interested in taking a view based on the situation merely based on the colour shirt.

No based on thought , not vomit inducing political correctness.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:20 pm

Lol. You're one of those then.

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Post by flyhalffactory Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:21 pm

protea438 wrote:
Old Man wrote:I don’t know how much pressure is on Rassie, from my perspective he did it the wrong way, yet it seems a poll taken by Rugbymag 90% of those voting said he was right to do what he did.

That perhaps tells you more about the average rugby fan than you want to know.
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In their defense at least they are sticking up for their team in a way, unlike some...

This tour is representation of everything that's wrong with rugby
Players trying to bend the laws to gain the advantage rather than work with them, refs letting players get away with conceding 3 or 4 consecutive pens, examples should have made before the tests began, refs ensured they tell the teams before the test started of their interpretation of the laws then clearly letting teams get away with exactly the same thing. Head coaches complaining through social media about match day officials appointments, complaining that the ref should given a red instead of a yellow. Unacceptable pressure by Gatland before the 1st test and then a catalogue of reffing errors that there was no way some of them right in front of the ref couldn't have not be seen. I can't see why Rassie would lie, obviously SA felt many of the decisions should have been explained to SA before they could select the 23 and train to take advantage of the refs interpretation of the laws.
Yes Rassie did it in the wrong way but I haven't read or heard one person state any of the 26 examples he brought up weren't valid, the real worry was many of them were right in front of the ref or could clearly be seen by the TMO.
The issue is now, the 2nd test will all be about the potential bending of the laws rather than the game itself.

Never seen anything like it, just leaves a bitter taste.

There's got to be something done to achieve consistently regarding the criticism of refs especially via social media
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Post by flyhalffactory Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:35 pm

RiscaGame wrote:What pressure did Gatland apply? I’ve seen this said a lot, but all I can find, is clickbait type headlines saying “Gatland is furious”, with not one quote.

All he has said, is he was after clarification over the De Klerk incident, from the SA “A” game. I honestly can’t find anything else.

This is what he said, it certainly was a lot more a one-line "we are looking for clarification on a few reffing decisions"

Gatland
"I can't understand the comments that there was no contact to the head. Someone was watching a different picture to me"

"I thought it looked reckless to me. No arms and he's hit the arm first and then the shoulder, but there's definitely head-on-head contact.

"We've got a meeting with the referees tomorrow (Friday) just to get a bit of clarity on that. What we want is clarity so that we get complete consistency.

"It'll be interesting to see what the referees come back with and what other people who have looked at it come back with in terms of the recommendations for that incident."

Now Gatland didn't say anything about Curry's late, shoulder first, no arms hit on a Faf who was still in the air, on his way down or the 4 pens that he conceded. The problem now is, Rassie has brought that Faf late hit incident up and a few other "clear pens" which when viewed you can't deny he's correct.

As Rassie stated, they could have brought up a number of infringements that occured in the SA A game but kept quiet. Hence the ongoing issue now is "perception", was it "inconsistency" at best, or undue pressure from a Lions coach to influence a game.
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Post by doctor_grey Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:02 pm

Depending on one’s POV, The referee/TMO will be one or more of:
(1) intimidated by Rassie
(2) intimidated by Gatland
(3) favouring the Springboks
(4) favouring the Lions
(5) totally incompetent
OR
(6) stone cold drunk

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Post by flyhalffactory Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:07 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Depending on one’s POV, The referee/TMO will be one or more of:
(1) intimidated by Rassie
(2) intimidated by Gatland
(3) favouring the Springboks
(4) favouring the Lions
(5) totally incompetent
OR
(6) stone cold drunk

Or
7. In the pub
8. Gone fishing
9. Washing his hair
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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:27 pm

I would go for nervous as hell, pumped full of zanex and a bottle of whiskey.

And then have the refereeing performance of the century, earning an MBE from the Queen  Cool

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Post by doctor_grey Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:34 pm

Pumped full of Xanax and washed down by a bottle of whiskey. How did you know how I prepare for surgery?

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Post by TightHEAD Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:39 pm

Just not rugby is it.

The core of our game is built on respect.

This week SA blew all that apart, shame on them and hopefully World Rugby will grow a set and punish them financially.

Also their actions have put pay to them joining the 6 Nations, who would want to put up with them bitching all the time, it's like planning a nice day out only to take the wife along!
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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:44 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Pumped full of Xanax and washed down by a bottle of whiskey. How did you know how I prepare for surgery?
It is what I would do.  Cool

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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:45 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Just not rugby is it.

The core of our game is built on respect.

This week SA blew all that apart, shame on them and hopefully World Rugby will grow a set and punish them financially.

Also their actions have put pay to them joining the 6 Nations, who would want to put up with them bitching all the time, it's like planning a nice day out only to take the wife along!
Gatland started it, Rassie joined him, “they” don’t bitch. And not all the time. Rassie bitched, one time.

If you want to troll, at least get your facts straight. Wink

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Post by TightHEAD Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:53 pm

It's constant bitching, SA are acting like a bunch of old women at a school reunion.

Glad when this tour is over, worst Lions tour ever with weak mid week games, no fans and moaning Waterboys with issues.
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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:02 pm

Ah, did you drop your dummy?

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Post by TightHEAD Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:12 pm

Rassie has dropped several all week. laughing

Embarrassing. Springbok
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Post by Old Man Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:20 pm

yep he did.

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Post by R!skysports Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:07 am

This has spiralled quickly

From my POV I really have never liked the 'mind games' which is really just bad sportmanship and often very disrespectful.

Sadly questioning the ref seems now to be part of the game, and while before just left to us 'experts' on social media (and we have been known to get it wrong lol), it now seems to be part of the head coach / media teams attack plan

Lets get it straight.

Gatland has been doing this sort of thing for years and I have never liked it - some might but I don't (and if our national coaches do it, I wouldn't like it either). It smacks of poor sportsmanship and lack of class (I realise I am no where near an elite sportsperson here, so this might be normal)

Sadly SA fell into the trap and have done something that I think should be sanctioned very hardly. He is going for an hour rant on basically calling the ref a cheat (IMO). And if he wonders about people bending the rules, he should look closely in the mirror with his water boy act. IMO that is cheating too. It reminds me of Jimmy Carr's tax plans....while a legal loop hole, morally reprehensible and in the real world cheating

Lets hope that the game is a good one and we can put this embarrassing child like behaviour behind us

Rugby is definitely the loser this week


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Post by protea438 Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:25 am

I think Rassie got mentored by Ian McGeechan

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Post by TightHEAD Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:45 am

Tear them a new one Lions.

Easiest pre game team talk Gatland will every have to give. It's been done for him all week for free by the Saffers  Laugh

Good luck to the officials too, without them then games don't go ahead, it's not an easy job and one that is easier from the touchline with a bottle of something in hand! (Or clipboard)

Respect the Ref Hug and you'll find they will respect you too. Little lesson there for the inexperienced, crybaby, weak minded captains out there. laughing
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Post by protea438 Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:45 pm

TightHEAD wrote:It's constant bitching, SA are acting like a bunch of old women at a school reunion.

Glad when this tour is over, worst Lions tour ever with weak mid week games, no fans and moaning Waterboys with issues.

I dunno 2009 was pretty awful aka The Hypocrite Tour, pretty disgusting by the tourists

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Post by RiscaGame Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:51 pm

Probably best for all concerned, that the nonsense gets parked up now.

Just focus on the game and there’ll be no issues. There was enough discussion about the pre game theatrics yesterday.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:58 pm

Oh, screw all the petty sh!t.  Rassie and Gatland can go pound salt (or whatever tiny little things they wish to pound).  THIS is important:

This was supposed to be my first actual weekend off since January 2020, my first two days off in a row.  All I wanted to do today was grab a few pints, sit back and watch the Lions-Boks. Followed by a nice afternoon nap.

But......noooo.  One of the trauma docs who was scheduled to cover A&E today at my hospital suffered a burst appendix yesterday and one of my partner orthopaedists from my office who was supposed to be making rounds became a father a few hours ago (three weeks early) and bailed out.  Baastaards.  So bloody insensitive to my needs and now I have to work today and miss the Lions match this afternoon.  They couldn't freakin wait.  I had told the new father to have his wife 'just hold it' until at least this evening.  Everyone has gone so soft these days and it's all about them and their petty little problems.  To make it worse, I had to go visit both in hospital last night to make sure nothing got bolloxed up and of course everyone is fine. Grrr.

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