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Post by George Carlin Sun 25 Jul 2021, 9:23 am

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SOUTH AFRICA BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
Saturday 31 July
KO: 18:00 SAST / 17:00 UK / 20:00 Dubai  Very Happy
Cape Town Stadium (Newlands), Cape Town
Sky Sports Main Event

Referee: Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand)
Assistant Referees: Nic Berry (Australia), Mathieu Raynal (France)
TMO: Marius Jonker ( Erm )

TEAMS:

SOUTH AFRICA:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 63 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 15 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 16 caps, 15 pts (3t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 48 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 15 caps, 70 pts (14t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 50 caps, 477pts (6t, 78c, 93p, 4d)
09 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 31 caps, 25 pts (5t)

08 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 1 cap, 0 pts
07 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 25 pts (5t)
06 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 52 caps, 30 pts (6t)
05 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 41 caps, 5pts (1t)
04 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 87 caps, 15 pts (3t)
03 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 5pts (1t)
02 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 38 caps, 40 pts (8t)
01 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 49 caps, 5pts (1t)

16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 35 caps, 30 pts (6t)
17 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 44 caps, 5 pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 21 caps, 0 pts
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 46 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 3 caps, 0 pts
21 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 8 caps, 5 pts (1t)
22 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 12 caps, 25 pts (5t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 8 caps, 5pts (1t)

BRITISH & IRISH LIONS:
15. Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13. Chris Harris (Gloucester Rugby, Scotland) #844
12. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
09. Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790

01. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, England) #787
02. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
03. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
04. Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
05. Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
06. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
07. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
08. Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839

16. Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17. Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19. Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20. Taulupe Faletau (Bath Rugby, Wales) #779
21. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #843
22. Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23. Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:27 pm

Poor ref.

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Post by Heaf Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:27 pm

Ref not really understanding the scrum very well ...

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Post by BigGee Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:27 pm

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takethelongroad wrote:Lions had the better of boks last week at 60mins, now reached that in the first half! Murray slow at breakdown and kicking too long so far, let’s see how it opens up

Murray was late at about 1 breakdown, he has been one of the Lions better players. Most his kicks have been contestable too and put the Boks under lots of pressure.

Maybe more than one!

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Post by Heaf Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:29 pm

Scrum pen that led to SA try went the wrong way and now several non-pens for Lions scrum when on top

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:30 pm

BigGee wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
takethelongroad wrote:Lions had the better of boks last week at 60mins, now reached that in the first half! Murray slow at breakdown and kicking too long so far, let’s see how it opens up

Murray was late at about 1 breakdown, he has been one of the Lions better players. Most his kicks have been contestable too and put the Boks under lots of pressure.

Maybe more than one!

Doubt it

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:36 pm

Lions kicks have been contestable. We just haven't been winning them enough.


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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:36 pm

Why the up and unders so much? We should be going to the corner.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:37 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:Lions licks have been contestable. We just haven't been winning them enough.

Bring on Liam Williams

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:38 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
Rugby Fan wrote:Lions licks have been contestable. We just haven't been winning them enough.

Bring on Liam Williams

That was my thought after 20 minutes.

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Post by Heaf Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:39 pm

Kicking just not working this half

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Post by miltonkeynesengland Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:39 pm

Need to change back 3. Wish we had Williams

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:42 pm

I’ll echo worldwide sentiments in saying that Itoje is absolutely brilliant. A bit unfair of on Beirne but just goes to show how well others are playing to keep him out.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:44 pm

Just dumb from Watson.

Nyakane on for Kitshoff.

Faletau on for Conan.

Big substitutions.

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Post by theslosty Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:44 pm

The occasion aside this is some puke rugby. Terrible advert for the sport
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Post by BigGee Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:44 pm

Another good try, Lions are letting this slip away

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:44 pm

Good try again

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Post by BigGee Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:45 pm

Or maybe not!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:46 pm

It’s definitely a try

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Post by Heaf Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:46 pm

Not a try ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:47 pm

Lol. You have to day Erasmus' rant has worked.

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Post by BigGee Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:47 pm

It's definitely SA day!

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Post by Duty281 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:47 pm

Poor officiating has cost the Lions this test. Another poor decision there.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:47 pm

Ridiculous officiating, truly bent.

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Post by BamBam Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:47 pm

Not a chance that was a try Laugh

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:48 pm

Well that was a try for me

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:48 pm

Hogg hasn’t been great in the air has he.

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Post by Heaf Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:48 pm

Who's doing the video this week?

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Post by king_carlos Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:49 pm

The Lions had to sack and concede the penalty earlier there.

Cracking lineout and try for the Boks.

Lood coming on has made a difference so far. He's an absolutely brilliant second row, him being just short of match fitness has hurt the Boks.

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Post by Heaf Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:49 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Well that was a try for me

Not in control - you can't just put downward pressure on when the ball starts off in the air - it was a knock on.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:50 pm

Lions can't keep kicking possession away. They need some magic to win this one.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:51 pm

Heaf wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Well that was a try for me

Not in control - you can't just put downward pressure on when the ball starts off in the air - it was a knock on.

No it wasn’t, his palm was still on the ball when he touched it down. Tries are scored like that all day long.

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Post by Heaf Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:52 pm

Looked like the side of his arm to me - not his palm ..

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:52 pm

Wtf. Another red for SA.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:52 pm

Heaf wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Well that was a try for me

Not in control - you can't just put downward pressure on when the ball starts off in the air - it was a knock on.

Control is irrelevant. Downward pressure is all that matters. The ball doesn't leave his arm and touch the ground for it to be a knock on. It's in contact with his hand the whole time from him touching it and gets clear downward pressure. Good try.

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Post by Guest Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:54 pm

F****** awful this from the Lions.

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Post by Heaf Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:54 pm

Downward pressure if the ball is on the ground - if off the ground need to have control ..

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Post by R!skysports Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:55 pm

Well this game has cemented my opinion of Gatland and his tactics

What a load of crap

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Post by king_carlos Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:55 pm

Sutherland takes Anthony Watson's crown for dumbest penalty of the second half. Sutherland is too good a player to let himself down like that. So frustrating.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:56 pm

king_carlos wrote:
Heaf wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Well that was a try for me

Not in control - you can't just put downward pressure on when the ball starts off in the air - it was a knock on.

Control is irrelevant. Downward pressure is all that matters. The ball doesn't leave his arm and touch the ground for it to be a knock on. It's in contact with his hand the whole time from him touching it and gets clear downward pressure. Good try.

Simply not true, clear separation from the hand.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:56 pm

It has been a poor second half from the Lions, and any composure they had disappeared when South Africa scored the second try. The errors have been steadily creeping up.

This test is gone and the Lions will need to regroup for the third test.

Ultimately the officiating has won South Africa this game because they should have been playing the majority of the match with 14, but the referee failed to do his job.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:57 pm

R!skysports wrote:Well this game has cemented my opinion  of Gatland and his tactics

What a load of crap

Two Scottish players haven’t done well mind. 3 if you include VDM.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 31 Jul 2021, 6:57 pm

It really hasn’t been a good day for Scottish players, VDM and Hogg both poor and Sutherland has continued the trend. Not that they’re the only ones to underperform today. Fully expect both VDM and Hogg to be dropped after this

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 7:00 pm

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 31 Jul 2021, 7:01 pm

only listening but sounds rubbish
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Post by BamBam Sat 31 Jul 2021, 7:01 pm

Lions pack looked fine while Itoje and Lawes were matched up 2 vs 2 against the SA locks. Once SA went to 3 second rows against our two, we've been in trouble. Could do with getting Itoje and Lawes some help next week, not sure who else could be brought in though

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only listening but sounds like more rubbish


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Post by king_carlos Sat 31 Jul 2021, 7:01 pm

Heaf wrote:Downward pressure if the ball is on the ground - if off the ground need to have control ..

Pretty sure not. The ball can touch down using downward pressure from the hand, arm, or any part of the front of a players body from waist to neck.

I've not reffed for 3 years so may have missed a law change but to my knowledge control has never been in the laws. "It's simply been repeated over and over again by incompetent commentators until it's become part of rugby lore rather than rugby law", a favourite quote from a former international ref I first heard during a reffing course I did back in the day.

If there's been a change to the laws and I'm wrong then I'd be genuinely interested in being pointed to it as the laws are all available online.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 31 Jul 2021, 7:03 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
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Heaf wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Well that was a try for me

Not in control - you can't just put downward pressure on when the ball starts off in the air - it was a knock on.

Control is irrelevant. Downward pressure is all that matters. The ball doesn't leave his arm and touch the ground for it to be a knock on. It's in contact with his hand the whole time from him touching it and gets clear downward pressure. Good try.

Simply not true, clear separation from the hand.

The ball is in touch with both hands, leaves his right hand but never leaves the the left arm for me. Good decision.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 31 Jul 2021, 7:03 pm

6-1 to the Lions in penalties conceded in this half. That's the story, a mirror of the first test. Watson's had a terrible test.

French referee for the third test.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 31 Jul 2021, 7:03 pm

O’Keefe is shocking fair play. First time I seen him was Wales vs Australia. At a time when Aus needed no help at all to beat us, he did his best for them. NZ simply cannot put out a good ref.

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