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Post by Hazel Sapling Sun 21 Nov 2021, 11:41 am

First topic message reminder :

Scotland 2022 Six Nations Lookahead

A place to discuss the rollercoaster of dark horse conversation and sheer despair. Somewhere in-between, someone will go off on a mild tangent.

Schedule
5th Feb - England (H)
12th Feb - Wales (A)
26th Feb - France (H)
12th March - Italy (A)
19th March - Ireland (A)

Scotland's recent performances
2021: 4th (3 wins, same as 2nd)
2020: 4th (3 wins, same points as 3rd)
2019: 5th (1 win, 1 draw)
2018: 3rd (3 wins, same as 2nd)
2017: 4th (3 wins, same points as 2nd)


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Post by majesticimperialman Sun 06 Feb 2022, 6:46 pm

If you look at the quick throw in yes their was 3 scotland players 2 England players in the out, but the ball did not go into the line out it went to back line. surely it should of been illegal right?

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Post by tigertattie Sun 06 Feb 2022, 6:59 pm

Teams can’t just hang about and wait for the opposition to waddle up for a lineout.

It’s wast Scotland’s fault they England switched off.
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Post by BigGee Sun 06 Feb 2022, 7:03 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:If you look at the quick throw in yes their was 3 scotland players 2 England players in the out, but the ball did not go into the line out it went to back line. surely it should of been illegal right?

Yes it did, it went to Ritchie at the front who put it straight out to the backs

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Post by tigertattie Sun 06 Feb 2022, 7:03 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:If you look at the quick throw in yes their was 3 scotland players 2 England players in the out, but the ball did not go into the line out it went to back line. surely it should of been illegal right?

Dunno what you were looking at??? It went to the Ritchie who was standing right at the front of the lineout.

England had two already in the line and a third joining. Absolutely no illegality in that lineout
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Post by takethelongroad Sun 06 Feb 2022, 7:08 pm

BigGee wrote:On the BBC highlights tonight, they clearly show that 2 England players were in the line and that the line-out was legal.

This was also confirmed by World Rugby

They also confirmed that there were no obvious offences in the series of scrums at the end

This is what i remember-ish. There is no requirement to match the number in the line out, but you can’t exceed the number set by the side throwing in. Will watch back later to see if any dodgy stuff occurrs but nothing set off the ‘this doesn’t feel right ’ sensors at the time. Onwards and upwards

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Post by jimbopip Sun 06 Feb 2022, 7:30 pm

I feel that all posts submitted by someone who was at the match should be legally required to begin,
This is what I remember-ish

And they must always end

But I wash vairry vairry drunk at the time.

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Post by tigertattie Sun 06 Feb 2022, 7:34 pm

jimbopip wrote:I feel that all posts submitted by someone who was at the match should be legally required to begin,
This is what I remember-ish

And they must always end

But I wash vairry vairry drunk at the time.

I was the designated driver though
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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Feb 2022, 7:36 pm

Yep it's looking more like England lost concentration and shouldn't have joined the lineout until they were ready as a unit. The only remaining doubt would be if it went 5m though as nobody seems to have looked at that (I often have my doubts when teams throw to a front player who doesn't jump) - although as mentioned before it would be a really tight call.

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Post by RDW Sun 06 Feb 2022, 9:25 pm

Taking the debate about the legality of the lineout aside, it was an incredible passage of attacking play from Scotland that pulled the English defence in all directions with some great individual skill in Darcy's footwork. Our 2nd try had 2 pin point accurate cross field kicks executed (and knowing Finn he absolutely knew LCD was covering the 2nd one).

Not sure quite what the intent on here is in trying to downplay the positives and put those tries down to referring error or just someone else's mistake.

And while we're on the topic of lineouts let's not forget how squint England's was before their try Wink

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Post by NeilyBroon Sun 06 Feb 2022, 10:09 pm

I think it's the psychology of being in this position so many times and following it up with a depressingly poor performance. Also we were far from perfect, we'd be kidding ourselves if we said it was a comprehensive win and that we didn't have a little rub of the green, not that it's a bad thing, god knows winners need a bit of luck!

Obviously there are a lot of positives we can take, the bloody mindedness to stay in the fight while England were throwing the kitchen sink at us was a big positive. Our big players stepped up when we needed them to, that's a positive but we can't let another team like Ireland or France dominate territory. We especially can't let a wounded Wales get that much time on the ball at home.

Very much enjoying the victory though! Just want to be realistic!

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 06 Feb 2022, 10:54 pm

Good opening win against England clap. I wouldn’t worry too much about Wales, we struggle to score tries. If Scotland just throw it around and play to their strengths they will do well.

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Post by RDW Sun 06 Feb 2022, 11:02 pm

In some ways Wales being so terrible is the worst thing that could have happened for us. Assuming they won't be as bad 2 weeks in a row, we're going to face a fierce backlash with a frenzied crowd behind them. Wales are missing a lot of experience but have plenty talented players, and will cause us a lot of trouble if things click. I can't see them making the same selection mistakes again either.

I can see us being under siege and having to hang on at times. If we can be in the running at 60 minutes I think we have the firepower to get a win, but it's not going to come easy.

We've been in a similar scenario many times when traveling down to Wales and have generally not done well at all!

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Feb 2022, 11:55 pm

Not trying to play down the moves for the tries - they were both excellently taken, I'm just a bit of a nerd when trying to understand the intricacies of all the complex laws in the game.  For example up until today, barring a quick throw-in, I always thought the throwing-in team had to allow the lineout to form up with the opposition given the opportunity to put in the same number of players (which is why I thought the ref often asks for numbers) - I knew there had to be a minimum of two, but hadn't realised that as soon as two were there they could just throw-in without waiting for the rest to form up.  I'm surprised teams don't throw-in quickly before the opposition have fully formed up more often.  Bit of a nightmare for the officials mind to make sure everyone is in the correct positions that quickly eg receivers/stand-off etc.

England should clearly have stood off until they were all ready rather than letting two players just bimble up casually allowing Scotland to pull the trigger - guess they won't make that mistake again any time soon.

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Post by George Carlin Mon 07 Feb 2022, 7:30 am

In the last 6N pre-Tandy (2019), Scotland conceded 17 tries. Only Italy conceded more.

In the post-Tandy Epoch, we conceded 5 in 2020 (lowest and 4 fewer than England who placed next) and 10 in 2021 (joint lowest).

That man is a genius. That is a Sean Edwards-esque turnaround.
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Post by NeilyBroon Mon 07 Feb 2022, 7:51 am

I fear it'll be a McFarland-style departure post 2023 wc as Tandy is very much destined for coaching greatness. Would not be surprised if Wales ditched pivac and gave him an offer he can't refuse.

We've done well to hold on to him for two seasons! Great recruitment by Toonie.

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Post by RDW Mon 07 Feb 2022, 8:04 am

Hamish Watson has now set the record in the 6N era for the moat tackles made without missing!

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 07 Feb 2022, 11:16 am

George Carlin wrote:In the last 6N pre-Tandy (2019), Scotland conceded 17 tries. Only Italy conceded more.

In the post-Tandy Epoch, we conceded 5 in 2020 (lowest and 4 fewer than England who placed next) and 10 in 2021 (joint lowest).

That man is a genius. That is a Sean Edwards-esque turnaround.

Why do I get the feeling that Wales will be calling on the likes of Tandy and Adam Jones soon...

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Post by RDW Tue 08 Feb 2022, 9:32 pm

I've mentioned the app Timehop a few times on here (for Jimbo, an app - or application - is an additional feature that you can add to your mobile telephone. Ask the grandkids). On each day it gives you a report of all your social media posts and photos on that day from over the years. Needless to say this time of year serves of a timely reminder of all the dark days of following Scotland in the 6N, with lots of drunken posts about how crap Scotland were.

My personal favourite was from 9 years ago where I posted that it was 18 months since I saw Scotland win at Murrayfield, and I'd been to every game!

The kids these days don't know how easy they've got it.

And this very much explains why Scots are so uneasy about being favourites and having a chance in the 6N. I'm not sure if that feeling will ever go away!

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Post by jimbopip Wed 09 Feb 2022, 6:49 am

It's just a step to the left
And a jump to the right
Put your hands on your hips
Pull your knees in tight
It'll drive you insayayayayane
Let's do the TimeHop again

Is that what you mean, Flounder?


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Post by George Carlin Wed 09 Feb 2022, 6:53 am

If I pull my knees in tight at my age, I hear a click and then I can't get out of bed for 3 days.
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Post by BigGee Wed 09 Feb 2022, 7:32 pm

https://twitter.com/glove931/status/1491395498607255553


The hype train steams on!

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Post by George Carlin Thu 10 Feb 2022, 4:40 pm

Where is Graham the Mighty Leprechaun these days? Too hifalutin to come on here anyway.

Surely we cannot lose to Wales? I mean, we have to break the bloody duck at some point?
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Post by RDW Thu 10 Feb 2022, 8:58 pm

Glove hasn't been here in many a year - far too famous now. He did appear shortly last year when I tweeted him asking to come say hello, but he's far too busy and important these days!

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Post by RDW Thu 10 Feb 2022, 9:17 pm

Jamie Ritchie has been ruled out of the 6N after surgery on his hamstring. Bugger!

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Post by tigertattie Fri 11 Feb 2022, 12:30 am

RDW wrote:Jamie Ritchie has been ruled out of the 6N after surgery on his hamstring. Bugger!

It’s a proper shame. He’s a good lad and a damn fine player

He’s very much of the unsung hero type of player who just keeps driving on. Put in the tackles, links with the back, pinches a good few balls.

Hamish gets most of the plaudits but Ritchie just keeps working away tirelessly and more often than not has really good games for Scotland.
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Post by GLove39 Fri 11 Feb 2022, 1:50 am

Thought I felt my ears burning!

And ha!
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 Glove hasn't been here in many a year - far too famous now

(Edit: Totally forgotten how to properly quote on here) still come & lurk occasionally in the build up to big games. Helps to pass the time. And nice to see old names still here. Can’t believe you’re in Oz now RDW.

As for Saturday, what a tantalising prospect. 
Both for our campaign & the potential for revenge Drool

Now if I could just get the ghosts of past Cardiff visits out of my mind I might sleep well before the big day…

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Post by RDW Fri 11 Feb 2022, 4:20 am

Hey Glove good to see you! It's ok Jimbopip can give you a good tutorial on how to quote - it's taken him 5 years but he gets it right most of the time now.

And yes I'm coming up for 2 years in Sydney. I made a conscious decision not to get up in the middle of the night to watch Scotland - far less stressful to wake up and just look at the final score.

I'll be visiting home in March finally so will look forward to seeing the Grandslam winning game as it happens while I'm in Edinburgh.

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Post by tigertattie Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:05 am

No glove, no love

Welcome back Lego boy. Try stick around for a while Hug
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Post by George Carlin Fri 11 Feb 2022, 10:34 am

GLove39 wrote:Thought I felt my ears burning!

And ha!
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 Glove hasn't been here in many a year - far too famous now

(Edit: Totally forgotten how to properly quote on here) still come & lurk occasionally in the build up to big games. Helps to pass the time. And nice to see old names still here. Can’t believe you’re in Oz now RDW.

As for Saturday, what a tantalising prospect. 
Both for our campaign & the potential for revenge Drool

Now if I could just get the ghosts of past Cardiff visits out of my mind I might sleep well before the big day…
Graham - what have you been up to?
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Post by tigertattie Fri 11 Feb 2022, 3:34 pm

George Carlin wrote:
GLove39 wrote:Thought I felt my ears burning!

And ha!
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 Glove hasn't been here in many a year - far too famous now

(Edit: Totally forgotten how to properly quote on here) still come & lurk occasionally in the build up to big games. Helps to pass the time. And nice to see old names still here. Can’t believe you’re in Oz now RDW.

As for Saturday, what a tantalising prospect. 
Both for our campaign & the potential for revenge Drool

Now if I could just get the ghosts of past Cardiff visits out of my mind I might sleep well before the big day…
Graham - what have you been up to?

Mostly drooling over Finn, or before that, Wee Greig, and growing a beard!
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Post by tigertattie Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:32 pm

Ok, why is the U20s not on iPlayer? Not on stv player either.

Is it on a Welsh channel somewhere?
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Post by The Oracle Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:41 pm

tigertattie wrote:Ok, why is the U20s not on iPlayer? Not on stv player either.

Is it on a Welsh channel somewhere?

Hi Tiger,

It should be on iPlayer. Says live coverage of it on BBC. It is also on S4C and you can get that in Scotland if you have sky or Freeview, etc: S4C is available on Sky 134, Freesat 120 and Virgin TV 166 in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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Post by tigertattie Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:45 pm

Cheers buddy. Can’t find it on iPlayer so looks like I’ll be brushing up on my Welsh with S4C
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Post by Hazel Sapling Fri 11 Feb 2022, 7:58 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/rugby-union/59764098

Game does not start until 8pm so that might be the reason it was missed.

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:32 pm

Ref really doesn’t like us does she.

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Post by tigertattie Fri 11 Feb 2022, 8:43 pm

Scotland U20s are like the mens team of the 2000s. Good forward pack but our backs don’t offer anything other than gaps for the opposition to run into
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Post by majesticimperialman Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:29 pm

Call on all Scotland when Dan Parkes retired from international rugby. did he become a coach? or did he retire full stop.

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Post by BigGee Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:34 pm

Fraser Brown gives away a stupid penalty and gets a YC.

That might explain why he is not in the Scotland squad atm!

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Post by tigertattie Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:53 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Call on all Scotland when Dan Parkes retired from  international rugby. did he become a coach? or did he retire full stop.

After Glasgow he went to Cardiff and the Connacht

Stopped playing and last I saw was a coach for Samoa but as they barely play I’ve no idea if he’s still there
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Post by tigertattie Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:57 pm

Our under 20s really don’t like 2nd halves eh
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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:57 pm

Dan Parks is a Cardiff legend.

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 11 Feb 2022, 9:59 pm

tigertattie wrote:Scotland U20s are like the mens team of the 2000s. Good forward pack but our backs don’t offer anything other than gaps for the opposition to run into

Good hooker and lock forwards for Scotland, but thought they were poor everywhere else. I thought Wales were decent up front but weren’t good overall, not least until the end anyway. Impressed with the manner in which Wales won after last week.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 12 Feb 2022, 4:29 pm

Well that hype train got derailed quickly

Knock ons
Dropped balls
Charged down kicks
Kicks out on the full (including from a restart)
Box kicks getting marked
Intentional knock ons

Darcy and hamish the only ones I can say came out of that with a sense of any aspect of playing well

Russell had one of his utterly dire games. Forget the intentional knock on, his decisions were honking. His kicking was honking.

Playing for the Doddie cup and the team just were not at the races. Same old Scotland, get up for the England game but then flat as flat can be the following week.

This is meant to be a once in a generation team. Really are at risk of being a team that win hee haw despite all the talent and expectation

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Post by bsando Sat 12 Feb 2022, 5:03 pm

That was frustrating. How I wish I was RDW just snoozing away on his soft aussie pillow with a nice cozy doona pulled over him.

Fair enough if the other team is a lot better but all week Scotland have been getting plaudits from various pundits across various media outlets because they have more depth, Glasgow and Edinburgh are playing well in the Pro14, lots of Lions etc. The ywere favourites with the bookies by quite a bit. Yet it looked good for about 2 minutes exactly. Then Wales won an easy turnover and ran it way upfield and in my heart i just knew it was going to be another jittery, nerve wracking Wales vs Scotland away game.

What is it with Wales?? Why can't we beat them away in Cardiff?

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Post by bsando Sat 12 Feb 2022, 5:19 pm

Considering how good Redpath looked when he came on I just wonder how the game might have gone with him at 12 rather than Tuipulotu starting there? Tuipulotu looked good in the physical battle and created the wrap around for the try but Scotland lacked that edge in attack that Redpath was creating in that last 5 minutes. Redpath is clearly going to be a better player for Scotland long term. Shame he wasn't starting today in many ways..


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Post by tigertattie Sat 12 Feb 2022, 5:20 pm

We don’t win in Dublin or France often either though.

We’re not good away from home. No idea why it’s so bad.
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Post by NeilyBroon Sat 12 Feb 2022, 6:23 pm

Oh dear. It's never fun to be a Scotland fan. Reality hits all too frequently!

I think the final straw was that stupid, stupid fagerson penalty. His record in that department is pretty poor. That was not the time to be standing offside flapping your arms around.

Still we live to fight another day. We have an opportunity to play a on form and resurgent french side at home and to put the poor record to bed in Ireland.

Things can only get better hopefully from here. Just a shame we seem to need to lose to pull our finger out. Tired of the same same same though.

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Post by RDW Sat 12 Feb 2022, 8:12 pm

Ah feck.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 12 Feb 2022, 9:01 pm

RDW wrote:Ah feck.

Morning flounder.

Best just going back to be to be honest
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