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Post by beninho Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:31 pm

First topic message reminder :

It does seem that this cat video is pretty old. But, also oeople seem more upset about it then say, Chelsea having a player who killed someone when he was drink driving.

We are a nation of animal lovers, my mum was all in on Romanian rescue dogs, not so keen on Romanian people.
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Post by incontinentia Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:49 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:Is Phil Mickelson being cancelled?
Certainly looks like it. Not sure what the exact symptoms of cancellation are but sponsors have dropped him and he's been shunned by the golfing community.
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Post by TM2K Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:19 am

Shotrock wrote:Good points Mac. Here's my guess:

Ukranian people suffer brutally.

West goes heavy on inflicting economic damage.

The UN goes into 'special' council -- where small country delegates argue and discuss meaningless stuff endlessly and eventually pass toothless resolutions. Meanwhile, the super powers broker some sort of deal to help bolster Russia's economy after they assume Ukraine.

I seem to recall that Putin's daughter lived/lives/still owns property at a beautiful estate adjacent to a hole a St. George's Hill. At least that's what a member told me as we were playing there and looking at the "Beware of Guard Dog" signs one could see from the tee box. Don't recall the hole.

That’s true, she did have a place on the estate courtesy of daddy…according a couple of guys I know that are members at St. George’s, Berezovsky had a house a couple of holes over that had a clear view of her place and vice versa…when they were at the height of their indifferences it wasn’t unheard of for greens staff or early starter to encounter “hired help” of both oligarchs dug in at various vantage points somewhere on the course somewhere all in black with sniper rifles etc.
I’m amazed they ever let any of them but on to that estate as the checks are bloody stringent before you can even get serious viewings of property there

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Post by TM2K Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:22 am

super_realist wrote:On the plus side, my Oil and Gas shares are rising.

😂

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Post by TM2K Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:32 am

I was at a big corporate lunch thing before the rugby on Saturday and heard a stat from one of the guest speakers I had to check for myself as it was so implausible it was actually difficult to believe.
Apparently Russia’s GDP is smaller than Italy’s is…wonder where all that oil and gas money’s going to???

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Post by TM2K Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:45 am

beninho wrote:If Ukraine hold out, they could be looking at joining the EU!

Surely after all they’ll have been through by then that’s the last thing they’ll deserve

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Post by TM2K Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:56 am

I'm never wrong wrote:
beninho wrote:Tuchal going down like Southgate, bringing on a ladt minute sub, who missedca pivotal pen.
He annoyed me by coming out to taunt the opposition at every penalty.  I woukd have booked him the second time he did it. Karma that he missed.

I totally agree with this, made himself look like a complete fool with his childish antics. I’m a Chelsea fan and was there today and thought he got everything he deserved, the prat. Just like he did 3 or 4 years ago when refusing to be substituted. Thought there were a couple of dubious calls on the high tackle and lukarthorse “offside” goal but all in all thought it was an excellent game and well refereed as the game seemed to flow really well and was played in a decent spirit by both sides.

I can’t stand those off putting tactics employed by Kepa today so it was rather apt he was the only one to miss. Just once I’d love to see a ref apply the rules properly and book the offending player the first time he tries anything then send him packing if he tried it again…anybody know the rules if your keeper gets sent of during the penalty shootout??

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Post by pedro Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:32 am

super_realist wrote:
Really stupid comment from Roger Gale saying all Russians in UK should be sent home.
Those with Russian interests above a certain limit should. They are fifth column of a bullying mafia state, are rude and loud and don't contribute positively to our culture. (although the latter probably will be hard to limit to Russians)

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Post by pedro Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:41 am

Putin might look into splitting up Ukraine and maybe insert a puppet regime, like in Belarus. No way he can control such a vast territory.

Think we are doing the right thing pouring weapons into Ukraine and tire the Russians. Can't imagine the Russian soldiers morale is very high, nor that the Russian population wants this war. Although still a poor country, most have had a sniff of freedom and capitalism. They don't want to jeropadise that for some 19th century minded belittled tyrant.

We should try to starve out the Russian regime and support anyone who might want to put a bullet to Putins head. In the long run we need to get rid of him. At least preliminary US intel seem to hint that his generals disapprove of him, and can't imagine there won't be a whole line of people in Kremlin wanting him out now.

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Post by super_realist Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:43 am

pedro wrote:Putin might look into splitting up Ukraine and maybe insert a puppet regime, like in Belarus. No way he can control such a vast territory.

Think we are doing the right thing pouring weapons into Ukraine and tire the Russians. Can't imagine the Russian soldiers morale is very high, nor that the Russian population wants this war. Although still a poor country, most have had a sniff of freedom and capitalism. They don't want to jeropadise that for some 19th century minded belittled tyrant.

We should try to starve out the Russian regime and support anyone who might want to put a bullet to Putins head. In the long run we need to get rid of him. At least preliminary US intel seem to hint that his generals disapprove of him, and can't imagine there won't be a whole line of people in Kremlin wanting him out now.

Imagine if Sleepy Joe hadnt abandoned $10bn worth of weapons to the Taliban? Ukraine could have had some of that.

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Post by pedro Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:55 am

As for Finland, they are very much integrated with NATO. Only thing missing is the actually membership. For sure a Finnish membership would piss off Russia, and just the prospects of it may be enough for the Russians to run up troops along the border. So honestly I don't know if it's in Finnish interest to seriously consider it. At least negotiations should be had with Russia beforehand, for instance guaranteeing that NATO missiles aren't lined up across their border.

I think we have to understand and admit that Putin is a belittled nationalist an that he genuinely does NOT like NATO at his doorstep. And that regardless of whether he used it as an excuse for invading Ukraine. So even if he's not interested in Finland it would still piss off his ego.

His real objective is to resurrect the Soviet Union, and it all starts where there is a significant Russian minority (=Ukraine). Can't help thinking the Baltic states might be next...

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Post by pedro Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:57 am

super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:Putin might look into splitting up Ukraine and maybe insert a puppet regime, like in Belarus. No way he can control such a vast territory.

Think we are doing the right thing pouring weapons into Ukraine and tire the Russians. Can't imagine the Russian soldiers morale is very high, nor that the Russian population wants this war. Although still a poor country, most have had a sniff of freedom and capitalism. They don't want to jeropadise that for some 19th century minded belittled tyrant.

We should try to starve out the Russian regime and support anyone who might want to put a bullet to Putins head. In the long run we need to get rid of him. At least preliminary US intel seem to hint that his generals disapprove of him, and can't imagine there won't be a whole line of people in Kremlin wanting him out now.

Imagine if Sleepy Joe hadnt abandoned $10bn worth of weapons to the Taliban? Ukraine could have had some of that.
Think there's plenty where it comes from...
BTW, a majority of Americans think Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine had Trump been president.

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Post by Soul Requiem Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:04 am

It's gone under the radar somewhat but similar has been happening in Georgia for years now, significant chunks of its northern territory are under Russian control.

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Post by super_realist Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:09 am

[quote="Soul Requiem"]It's gone under the radar somewhat but similar has been happening in Georgia for years now, significant chunks of its northern territory are under Russian control.[/quote angel]

Its quite a well reported story, just as all the other stuff around Moldova, Chechnya, Nevalny, Litvenyenko, Scripl, constant testing of EU flight zones by bombers.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:39 am

pedro wrote:
super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:Putin might look into splitting up Ukraine and maybe insert a puppet regime, like in Belarus. No way he can control such a vast territory.

Think we are doing the right thing pouring weapons into Ukraine and tire the Russians. Can't imagine the Russian soldiers morale is very high, nor that the Russian population wants this war. Although still a poor country, most have had a sniff of freedom and capitalism. They don't want to jeropadise that for some 19th century minded belittled tyrant.

We should try to starve out the Russian regime and support anyone who might want to put a bullet to Putins head. In the long run we need to get rid of him. At least preliminary US intel seem to hint that his generals disapprove of him, and can't imagine there won't be a whole line of people in Kremlin wanting him out now.

Imagine if Sleepy Joe hadnt abandoned $10bn worth of weapons to the Taliban? Ukraine could have had some of that.
Think there's plenty where it comes from...
BTW, a majority of Americans think Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine had Trump been president.

25% of Americans think the sun goes around the earth.

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Post by McLaren Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:37 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:Is Phil Mickelson being cancelled?

I know you are poking fun at the Super_Realist types, but interestingly Mickleson is being cancelled by his peers. Just look at what Rory and JT had to say about him.
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Post by McLaren Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:40 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:

25% of Americans think the sun goes around the earth.

I wonder what percentage know the correct answer?
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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:43 pm

McLaren wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:

25% of Americans think the sun goes around the earth.

I wonder what percentage know the correct answer?

Truss will let us know.

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Post by JAS Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:51 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
pedro wrote:
super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:Putin might look into splitting up Ukraine and maybe insert a puppet regime, like in Belarus. No way he can control such a vast territory.

Think we are doing the right thing pouring weapons into Ukraine and tire the Russians. Can't imagine the Russian soldiers morale is very high, nor that the Russian population wants this war. Although still a poor country, most have had a sniff of freedom and capitalism. They don't want to jeropadise that for some 19th century minded belittled tyrant.

We should try to starve out the Russian regime and support anyone who might want to put a bullet to Putins head. In the long run we need to get rid of him. At least preliminary US intel seem to hint that his generals disapprove of him, and can't imagine there won't be a whole line of people in Kremlin wanting him out now.

Imagine if Sleepy Joe hadnt abandoned $10bn worth of weapons to the Taliban? Ukraine could have had some of that.
Think there's plenty where it comes from...
BTW, a majority of Americans think Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine had Trump been president.

25% of Americans think the sun goes around the earth.

Then there's the % that are flat earthers that think....um...then again maybe they don't think at all.

So...should we be having a sweepstake about which General or Oligarch takes mad Vlad out?? The guy seriously needs sectioned. Does anyone else think he knows he's dying and his ego just wants to leave a mark (piss-stain) on history?

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Post by super_realist Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:00 pm

Almost as conspiracy laden a question as "is the earth flat" Jas.

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Post by BlueCoverman Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:13 pm

JAS wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
pedro wrote:
super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:Putin might look into splitting up Ukraine and maybe insert a puppet regime, like in Belarus. No way he can control such a vast territory.

Think we are doing the right thing pouring weapons into Ukraine and tire the Russians. Can't imagine the Russian soldiers morale is very high, nor that the Russian population wants this war. Although still a poor country, most have had a sniff of freedom and capitalism. They don't want to jeropadise that for some 19th century minded belittled tyrant.

We should try to starve out the Russian regime and support anyone who might want to put a bullet to Putins head. In the long run we need to get rid of him. At least preliminary US intel seem to hint that his generals disapprove of him, and can't imagine there won't be a whole line of people in Kremlin wanting him out now.

Imagine if Sleepy Joe hadnt abandoned $10bn worth of weapons to the Taliban? Ukraine could have had some of that.
Think there's plenty where it comes from...
BTW, a majority of Americans think Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine had Trump been president.

25% of Americans think the sun goes around the earth.

Then there's the % that are flat earthers that think....um...then again maybe they don't think at all.

So...should we be having a sweepstake about which General or Oligarch takes mad Vlad out?? The guy seriously needs sectioned. Does anyone else think he knows he's dying and his ego just wants to leave a mark (piss-stain) on history?

Don't care who takes him out, as long as it's before the nukes start flying!

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Post by beninho Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:03 pm

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1498305518011658243?t=ids2sZLygci3chHiGJ7oLw&s=19

I wish this guy had stuck to coastal walks, he has become a nut job. He went anti vax noel if states the west should take some of the blame!

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Post by super_realist Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:29 pm

The funny thing about this Ukraine situation is that all those hand wringing rent a protestors waving banners outside consulates in Europe in support of Ukraine are the exact same people who two months ago would see Ukraine as a right wing, racist, homophobic, mysogynist bunch of bigots. Funny what they'll sweep under the camera so they can be seen as good and worthy people.
Guaranteed if two months ago they were asked to name the top 5 countries in Europe they didnt give a toss about, Ukraine would be among them. Now all of a sudden the crocodile tears come out among the fake concern.

Doesnt excuse Russia, but its an interesting dichotomy.


As a side note Ben, Neil Oliver is not an anti vaxxer, he's anti vaccine mandate. Agreed he sounds like a bit of a loon at times amd on certain subjects (though im with him on his views about the SNP and Scotch Independence) , but hes not anti vax.

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Post by super_realist Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:33 pm

McLaren wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:Is Phil Mickelson being cancelled?

I know you are poking fun at the Super_Realist types, but interestingly Mickleson is being cancelled by his peers. Just look at what Rory and JT had to say about him.

The most pathetic thing is Mickelson saying he'll "take some time out to consider his comments" That's the most woke and ninnyish thing you can do. Stand by what you say and get on with your job.

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:37 pm

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:Is Phil Mickelson being cancelled?

I know you are poking fun at the Super_Realist types, but interestingly Mickleson is being cancelled by his peers. Just look at what Rory and JT had to say about him.

The most pathetic thing is Mickelson saying he'll "take some time out to consider his comments" That's the most woke and ninnyish thing you can do. Stand by what you say and get on with your job.

Most of what you spout is a load of bollox, but in fairness, at least you stand by all the BS you come up with.

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Post by beninho Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:04 pm

https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.

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Post by beninho Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:05 pm

super_realist wrote:The funny thing about this Ukraine situation is that all those hand wringing rent a protestors waving banners outside consulates in Europe in support of Ukraine are the exact same people who two months ago would see Ukraine as a right wing, racist, homophobic, mysogynist bunch of bigots. Funny what they'll sweep under the camera so they can be seen as good and worthy people.
Guaranteed if two months ago they were asked to name the top 5 countries in Europe they didnt give a toss about, Ukraine would be among them. Now all of a sudden the crocodile tears come out among the fake concern.

Doesnt excuse Russia, but its an interesting dichotomy.


As a side note Ben, Neil Oliver is not an anti vaxxer, he's anti vaccine mandate. Agreed he sounds like a bit of a loon at times amd on certain subjects  (though im with him on his views about the SNP and Scotch Independence) , but hes not anti vax.

People show compassion to a country being invaded for no good reason. Is that interesting?

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Post by JuliusHMarx Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:17 pm

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:The funny thing about this Ukraine situation is that all those hand wringing rent a protestors waving banners outside consulates in Europe in support of Ukraine are the exact same people who two months ago would see Ukraine as a right wing, racist, homophobic, mysogynist bunch of bigots. Funny what they'll sweep under the camera so they can be seen as good and worthy people.
Guaranteed if two months ago they were asked to name the top 5 countries in Europe they didnt give a toss about, Ukraine would be among them. Now all of a sudden the crocodile tears come out among the fake concern.

Doesnt excuse Russia, but its an interesting dichotomy.


As a side note Ben, Neil Oliver is not an anti vaxxer, he's anti vaccine mandate. Agreed he sounds like a bit of a loon at times amd on certain subjects  (though im with him on his views about the SNP and Scotch Independence) , but hes not anti vax.

People show compassion to a country being invaded for no good reason. Is that interesting?

To understand compassion, you have to have compassion.

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Post by McLaren Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:59 pm

super_realist wrote:The funny thing about this Ukraine situation is that all those hand wringing rent a protestors waving banners outside consulates in Europe in support of Ukraine are the exact same people who two months ago would see Ukraine as a right wing, racist, homophobic, mysogynist bunch of bigots. Funny what they'll sweep under the camera so they can be seen as good and worthy people.
Guaranteed if two months ago they were asked to name the top 5 countries in Europe they didnt give a toss about, Ukraine would be among them. Now all of a sudden the crocodile tears come out among the fake concern.

Super what you don't understand about a more humanitarian world view is that I can disagree with someone's take on a subject without wishing misery on them. As others have said it is not surprising you don't understand what compassion is all about.
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Post by Galted Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:36 pm

super_realist wrote:The funny thing about this Ukraine situation is that all those hand wringing rent a protestors waving banners outside consulates in Europe in support of Ukraine are the exact same people who two months ago would see Ukraine as a right wing, racist, homophobic, mysogynist bunch of bigots. Funny what they'll sweep under the camera so they can be seen as good and worthy people.
Guaranteed if two months ago they were asked to name the top 5 countries in Europe they didnt give a toss about, Ukraine would be among them. Now all of a sudden the crocodile tears come out among the fake concern.

Doesnt excuse Russia, but its an interesting dichotomy.



Was at Trafalgar Square on Sunday and witnessed the demo which was shifted from Whitehall due to a gas leak. Sh*tloads of people, the vast majority of whom were Ukrainian, a fair smattering of Russians too. Certainly would not call them a rent-a-crowd.
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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:56 am

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:The funny thing about this Ukraine situation is that all those hand wringing rent a protestors waving banners outside consulates in Europe in support of Ukraine are the exact same people who two months ago would see Ukraine as a right wing, racist, homophobic, mysogynist bunch of bigots. Funny what they'll sweep under the camera so they can be seen as good and worthy people.
Guaranteed if two months ago they were asked to name the top 5 countries in Europe they didnt give a toss about, Ukraine would be among them. Now all of a sudden the crocodile tears come out among the fake concern.

Super what you don't understand about a more humanitarian world view is that I can disagree with someone's take on a subject without wishing misery on them. As others have said it is not surprising you don't understand what compassion is all about.

Mac you have demonstrated countless times in the past and admitted as much that you will completely abandon someone simply because they have different views from you.

Im not talking about not having comlassion, im questioning the sincerity of the type of person, usually a middle class Islington white person called Toby or Matilda that will turn up to anything regardless of what it is about, the sort of person that uses preferred pronouns on their email signature or wears a mask at all times or expresses useless platitudes like "thoughts and prayers" because they are desperate to show that they are "a good person" rather than genuinely caring about the subject


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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:58 am

beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

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Post by beninho Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:13 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

So you are anti vax aswell then. That's fine.

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Post by beninho Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:15 am

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:The funny thing about this Ukraine situation is that all those hand wringing rent a protestors waving banners outside consulates in Europe in support of Ukraine are the exact same people who two months ago would see Ukraine as a right wing, racist, homophobic, mysogynist bunch of bigots. Funny what they'll sweep under the camera so they can be seen as good and worthy people.
Guaranteed if two months ago they were asked to name the top 5 countries in Europe they didnt give a toss about, Ukraine would be among them. Now all of a sudden the crocodile tears come out among the fake concern.

Super what you don't understand about a more humanitarian world view is that I can disagree with someone's take on a subject without wishing misery on them. As others have said it is not surprising you don't understand what compassion is all about.

Mac you have demonstrated countless times in the past and admitted as much that you will completely abandon someone simply because they have different views from you.

Im not talking about not having comlassion, im questioning the sincerity of the type of person, usually a middle class Islington white person called Toby or Matilda that will turn up to anything regardless of what it is about, the sort of person that uses preferred pronouns on their email signature or wears a mask at all times or expresses useless platitudes like "thoughts and prayers" because they are desperate to show that they are "a good person" rather than genuinely caring about the subject

Not really sure what any of this means.

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:23 am

Its quite simple Ben. Im questioning the sincerity of their compassion. Dont they genuinely feel compassion orbare they simply under the imoression that they have to show compassion otherwuse they wont be seen as a "good" person.
Where were these hand wringers in Chechnya, Crimea, Georgia, Moldova, South Ossetia etc? Wjere was their "compassion" with Navelny, Litvenyenko, Skripl etc? Probably sipping a chai katte and ignoring it.

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:25 am

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

So you are anti vax aswell then. That's fine.

Not at all, an hilarious but sadly typical response from you.
There is no need to vaccinate children. The JCVI only suggest that 5-15 year olds who live with someone clinically vulnerable are OFFERED the vaccine.
This is not for the childs benefit, hence children dont need the vaccine.
Do you know better than the JCVI?

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Post by beninho Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:37 am

super_realist wrote:Its quite simple Ben. Im questioning the sincerity of their compassion. Dont they genuinely feel compassion orbare they simply under the imoression that they have to show compassion otherwuse they wont be seen as a "good" person.
Where were these hand wringers in Chechnya, Crimea, Georgia, Moldova, South Ossetia etc? Wjere was their "compassion" with Navelny, Litvenyenko, Skripl etc? Probably sipping a chai katte and ignoring it.

Oh, so your basically being a cnut. Par for the course.

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Post by beninho Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:42 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

So you are anti vax aswell then. That's fine.

Not at all, an hilarious but sadly typical response from you.
There is no need to vaccinate children. The JCVI only suggest that 5-15 year olds who live with someone clinically vulnerable are OFFERED the vaccine.
This is not for the childs benefit, hence children dont need the vaccine.
Do you know better than the JCVI?

Don't they say that children under 16 with risk of exposure and serious outcomes shoukd be vaccinated?

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:44 am

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:Its quite simple Ben. Im questioning the sincerity of their compassion. Dont they genuinely feel compassion orbare they simply under the imoression that they have to show compassion otherwuse they wont be seen as a "good" person.
Where were these hand wringers in Chechnya, Crimea, Georgia, Moldova, South Ossetia etc? Wjere was their "compassion" with Navelny, Litvenyenko, Skripl etc? Probably sipping a chai katte and ignoring it.

Oh, so your basically being a cnut. Par for the course.  

Not at all, im fine for those with genuine compassion, i just think there's a lot of people who feel compelled to express compassion when it doesnt really bother them, just as it didn't with other Putin transgressions that they folded their arms to.

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:46 am

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

So you are anti vax aswell then. That's fine.

Not at all, an hilarious but sadly typical response from you.
There is no need to vaccinate children. The JCVI only suggest that 5-15 year olds who live with someone clinically vulnerable are OFFERED the vaccine.
This is not for the childs benefit, hence children dont need the vaccine.
Do you know better than the JCVI?

Don't they say that children under 16 with risk of exposure and serious outcomes shoukd be vaccinated?

They advise that children who are clinically vulnerable are vaccinated, just as theybstate anyone with health issues should be vaccinated, they do not state that healthy children need to be vaccinated.
Why do you think children should be vaccinated against JCVI advice?

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Post by beninho Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:52 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

So you are anti vax aswell then. That's fine.

Not at all, an hilarious but sadly typical response from you.
There is no need to vaccinate children. The JCVI only suggest that 5-15 year olds who live with someone clinically vulnerable are OFFERED the vaccine.
This is not for the childs benefit, hence children dont need the vaccine.
Do you know better than the JCVI?

Don't they say that children under 16 with risk of exposure and serious outcomes shoukd be vaccinated?

They advise  that children who are clinically vulnerable are vaccinated, just as theybstate anyone with health issues should be vaccinated, they do not state that healthy children need to be vaccinated.
Why do you think children should be vaccinated against JCVI advice?

So you do think kids should be vaccinated in line with the advice? Are you for vaccinations for under 16 or against it? You say the advice is not to vaccine but then confirm that advice is some under 16s should be vaccinated.

I have no view on it, some countries are offering all kids under 16, some aren't. I cant say what one is right ir wrong. I would have no issues giving my children the vaccine.

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Post by beninho Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:59 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:Its quite simple Ben. Im questioning the sincerity of their compassion. Dont they genuinely feel compassion orbare they simply under the imoression that they have to show compassion otherwuse they wont be seen as a "good" person.
Where were these hand wringers in Chechnya, Crimea, Georgia, Moldova, South Ossetia etc? Wjere was their "compassion" with Navelny, Litvenyenko, Skripl etc? Probably sipping a chai katte and ignoring it.

Oh, so your basically being a cnut. Par for the course.  

Not at all, im fine for those with genuine compassion, i just think there's  a lot of people who feel compelled to express compassion when it doesnt really bother them, just as it didn't with other Putin transgressions that they folded their arms to.

So your view is you can only be bothered with an invasion if you were bothered by every other putin act of aggression? You don't see the difference?

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:01 am

No, im just questioning how sincere they are. Not sure why you camt understand that.

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Post by beninho Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:03 am

super_realist wrote:No, im just questioning how sincere they are. Not sure why you camt understand that.

But why? If your take when seeing people horrified by an invasion of a major European country, is to question thise people. It says more about you then them.

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:03 am

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

So you are anti vax aswell then. That's fine.

Not at all, an hilarious but sadly typical response from you.
There is no need to vaccinate children. The JCVI only suggest that 5-15 year olds who live with someone clinically vulnerable are OFFERED the vaccine.
This is not for the childs benefit, hence children dont need the vaccine.
Do you know better than the JCVI?

Don't they say that children under 16 with risk of exposure and serious outcomes shoukd be vaccinated?

They advise  that children who are clinically vulnerable are vaccinated, just as theybstate anyone with health issues should be vaccinated, they do not state that healthy children need to be vaccinated.
Why do you think children should be vaccinated against JCVI advice?

So you do think kids should be vaccinated in line with the advice?  Are you for vaccinations for under 16 or against it? You say the advice is not to vaccine but then confirm that advice is some under 16s should be vaccinated.  

I have no view on it, some countries are offering all kids under 16, some aren't. I cant say what one is right ir wrong. I would have no issues giving my children the vaccine.

Yes, i do think advice should be followed, bit the advice from the JCVI is that children do not need vaccination and should only be offered it given particular circumstances. If a child is vulnerable or lives withba vulnerable adult they should consider having it, but the JCVI does not state that nornal, healthy children need it.

Everyone who wants the vaccination has already had it. It is not a childs responsibility to protect vaccine refuseniks

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:05 am

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:No, im just questioning how sincere they are. Not sure why you camt understand that.

But why? If your take when seeing people horrified by an invasion of a major European country, is to question thise people. It says more about you then them.  

Because you see such token gestures for many of these things and it doesnt seem genuine because as soon as it is off the news they disappear.

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Post by Soul Requiem Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:12 am

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

The JCVI have advised that all children between the ages of 5 and 11 receive two doses of the Pfizer vaccine with an at least 12 week gap.

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Post by beninho Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:35 am

Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/

If someone thinks the vaccine doesn't reduce the risk of transmission or infection, that's pretty anti vax.

The guys a crank. He's rant about kids being vaccinated was very anti vax aswell.
Kids dont need the vaccine, even the JCVI agree.
What exactly are we protecting people from now ? A bad cold?

The JCVI have advised that all children between the ages of 5 and 11 receive two doses of the Pfizer vaccine with an at least 12 week gap.

That can't be true because super Realist off the Internet, the expert on child vaccinations says they don't need it.

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:59 am

Wjy don't you go and read the official JCVI statement on the government website dated 16/2/2022?

As for Ukraine, I just walked past the Russian consualte and the virtue signalling platitudes in chalk on the ground is embarrassing. They can't even draw the Ukraine flag correctly. Thats why I doubt sincerity of some of these people who like to "protest" visually, Its just all so trite and cliched.


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Post by Soul Requiem Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:06 am

As I said;

JCVI advises a non-urgent offer of two 10 mcg doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (Comirnaty®) to children aged 5 to 11 years of age who are not in a clinical risk group. The 2 doses should be offered with an interval of at least 12 weeks between doses.

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Post by super_realist Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:12 am

Well, if theyve changed their mind, im happy to be corrected.

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