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Post by No 7&1/2 Mon 14 Mar 2022, 11:40 am

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France: Jaminet; Penaud, Fickou, Danty, Villiere; Ntamack, Dupont (capt); Baille, Marchand, Atonio, Woki, Willemse, Cros, Alldritt, Jelonch.

Replacements: Mauvaka, Gros, Haouas, Flament, Taofifenua, Cretin, Lucu, Ramos.

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15. George Furbank

14. Freddie Steward

13. Joe Marchant

12. Henry Slade

11. Jack Nowell

10. Marcus Smith

9. Ben Youngs

1. Ellis Genge

2. Jamie George

3. Will Stuart

4. Maro Itoje

5. Nick Isiekwe

6. Courtney Lawes

7. Sam Underhill

8. Sam Simmonds

Finishers

16. Nic Dolly (Leicester Tigers, 1 cap)

17. Joe Marler

18. Kyle Sinckler

19. Ollie Chessum

20. Alex Dombrandt

21. Harry Randall

22. George Ford

23. Elliot Daly

Kick-off: 8:00pm

Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU)

Assistant Referee 1: Mike Adamson (SRU)

Assistant Referee 2: Frank Murphy (IRFU)

TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)


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Post by EnglishReign Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:46 pm

Surely a knock on?!

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:47 pm

Ouch. Doesn't get better on second viewing either. Think Eddie will get Kinghorn on at half time...?

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:47 pm

Ouch. Doesn't get better on second viewing either. Think Eddie will get Kinghorn on at half time...?

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:47 pm

BigGee wrote:That was a risky kick from Smith

= Daft

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:49 pm

Think Jones needs to be bold and make subs at half time. Get Randall on get dombrandt on for Simmonds and get Chessum on for Isiekwe move Lawes to lock.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:49 pm

England at the moment have no answer to France playing structure. you might say it is men against boys so far.

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:49 pm

EnglishReign wrote:Surely a knock on?!

Looked like it to me - France really don't need helping like that

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Post by EnglishReign Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:51 pm

In my opinion we’re trying too hard to play like France. We’re actually doing pretty well at disrupting their play but then we don’t keep it simple when we run it back.

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Post by nathan Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:51 pm

Should have been a red for the clear out on Genge. It most other stadiums it would have been replayed on the big screens.... not in France though

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Post by RDW Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:52 pm

There looked to be several knock ons there that were worth a look

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Post by EnglishReign Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:54 pm

There was a knock on and accidental offside in the lead up to that try but I’ve come to accept there will be match-defining decisions against England every week.


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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:54 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Think Jones needs to be bold and make subs at half time. Get Randall on get dombrandt on for Simmonds and get Chessum on for Isiekwe move Lawes to lock.

I'd get Dombrandt on for Isiekwe, Lawes to lock. Subbing Simmonds this early with Underhill just back risks losing cover.

Randall for Youngs and Ford for Smith as well for me. I think England need pace at 9 and control at 10 with how brutal France are around the breakdown. Both starting halfbacks have been really poor.

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:54 pm

RDW wrote:There looked to be several knock ons there that were worth a look

Yep at least two for me

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:55 pm

king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Think Jones needs to be bold and make subs at half time. Get Randall on get dombrandt on for Simmonds and get Chessum on for Isiekwe move Lawes to lock.

I'd get Dombrandt on for Isiekwe, Lawes to lock. Subbing Simmonds this early with Underhill just back risks losing cover.

Randall for Youngs and Ford for Smith as well for me. I think England need pace at 9 and control at 10 with how brutal France are around the breakdown. Both starting halfbacks have been really poor.
You don't take your best fly half off though when you need to chase the game.

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Post by TJ Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:56 pm

And Nowell should have seen yellow and the one england turnover was hands on the ground.

it all evens out ( usually :-) )


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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:57 pm

TJ wrote:And Nowell should have seen yellow and the one england turnover was hands on the ground.

it all evens out ( usually :-)  )

Tbf most for the turnovers have been hands on the floor. If the ref accepts that you play to it.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:57 pm

It's all ok....EddIe will unleash his World Cup plans in the summer...France are a busted flush already......


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Post by nathan Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:58 pm

TJ wrote:And Nowell should have seen yellow and the one england turnover was hands on the ground.

it all evens out ( usually :-)  )


Like the majority of Frances turnovers.

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Post by nathan Sat 19 Mar 2022, 8:59 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:It's all ok....EddIe will unleash his World Cup plans in the summer...France are a busted flush already......


Those plans that nobody can guess, even the players.

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:01 pm

nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:And Nowell should have seen yellow and the one england turnover was hands on the ground.

it all evens out ( usually :-)  )


Like the majority of Frances turnovers.

Seems the SH refs have an unusual interpretation ...

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:01 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Think Jones needs to be bold and make subs at half time. Get Randall on get dombrandt on for Simmonds and get Chessum on for Isiekwe move Lawes to lock.

I'd get Dombrandt on for Isiekwe, Lawes to lock. Subbing Simmonds this early with Underhill just back risks losing cover.

Randall for Youngs and Ford for Smith as well for me. I think England need pace at 9 and control at 10 with how brutal France are around the breakdown. Both starting halfbacks have been really poor.
You don't take your best fly half off though when you need to chase the game.

When his contribution has largely been taking it to the line regardless of others being in more space and a kick that makes 2022 Finn Russell look like Dan Carter had a baby with Wilkinson yon can.

I rate Smith and want him starting but he's still on a learning curve and has been poor.

Hopefully he can play to closer to his ability in the second half.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:03 pm

king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Think Jones needs to be bold and make subs at half time. Get Randall on get dombrandt on for Simmonds and get Chessum on for Isiekwe move Lawes to lock.

I'd get Dombrandt on for Isiekwe, Lawes to lock. Subbing Simmonds this early with Underhill just back risks losing cover.

Randall for Youngs and Ford for Smith as well for me. I think England need pace at 9 and control at 10 with how brutal France are around the breakdown. Both starting halfbacks have been really poor.
You don't take your best fly half off though when you need to chase the game.

When his contribution has largely been taking it to the line regardless of others being in more space and a kick that makes 2022 Finn Russell look like Dan Carter had a baby with Wilkinson yon can.

I rate Smith and want him starting but he's still on a learning curve and has been poor.

Hopefully he can play to closer to his ability in the second half.
Its our only hope with the backline as it is. Hopefully some pushover tries too!

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:04 pm

England are missing some big carriers...Genge ( and Stuart actually)doing brilliant but he cant do it on his own....

We have too many lightweight speedsters

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:06 pm

Shame there that Lawes had to check from the very basic pass.

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Post by EnglishReign Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:07 pm

That knock on gets spotted obvs

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:07 pm

Great opportunity. Terrible touch finder. Poor lineout drill. No go forward against a set defence.

Sums up the tournament in many ways.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:10 pm

Nice.

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Post by nathan Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:11 pm

Lovely finish

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:11 pm

Well that was pretty good

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:11 pm

Boy did England need that. Great line from Marchant. He's had a very good final 2 rounds.

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:11 pm

That's more like it

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:12 pm

What a line from Marchant....

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:12 pm

Great conversion. More like it.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:12 pm

king_carlos wrote:Boy did England need that. Great line from Marchant. He's had a very good final 2 rounds.

Best me to it

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:12 pm

Marchant definitely looking better over the last two games

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:12 pm

Briliant try by England.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:13 pm

Classy from Marchant and then we actually hit some offensive rucks. Neat finish by Steward to finish it off.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:13 pm

A better box kick as well. Something clicking perhaps.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:15 pm

Beautiful box kick from Youngs and Jaminet gets dumped into touch. Maybe that try is the confidence booster we need.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:15 pm

4 good things on the bounce. Try, conversion, kick chase, lineout.

Just keep building that momentum.

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Post by EnglishReign Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:17 pm

Just let us play ref

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:19 pm

The nside ball can be a weapon but can't be that telegraphed.
Running an inside ball like that is just sending a runner into the drifting pillar from the previous ruck. That's u14s playing touch in the warmup type rugby. Abject.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:19 pm

That's forward!,,

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Post by Heaf Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:22 pm

Peyper couldn't spot a knock-on or a forward pass to save his life ... if it's France that is

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:23 pm

Jones back to not using subs again?

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:24 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Jones back to not using subs again?

All about the WC....

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:25 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Jones back to not using subs again?

All about the WC....
Well it's roll the dice time now.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:25 pm

Great try by Dupont.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:26 pm

Looked like head knock for Isiekwe on one of those slow mos. Surprised he's not getting a HIA.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 19 Mar 2022, 9:26 pm

Thats the game, congrats France. Obviously its Dupont that seals it.

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