France vs England

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France

France: Jaminet; Penaud, Fickou, Danty, Villiere; Ntamack, Dupont (capt); Baille, Marchand, Atonio, Woki, Willemse, Cros, Alldritt, Jelonch.

Replacements: Mauvaka, Gros, Haouas, Flament, Taofifenua, Cretin, Lucu, Ramos.

vs England

15. George Furbank

14. Freddie Steward

13. Joe Marchant

12. Henry Slade

11. Jack Nowell

10. Marcus Smith

9. Ben Youngs

1. Ellis Genge

2. Jamie George

3. Will Stuart

4. Maro Itoje

5. Nick Isiekwe

6. Courtney Lawes

7. Sam Underhill

8. Sam Simmonds

Finishers

16. Nic Dolly (Leicester Tigers, 1 cap)

17. Joe Marler

18. Kyle Sinckler

19. Ollie Chessum

20. Alex Dombrandt

21. Harry Randall

22. George Ford

23. Elliot Daly

Kick-off: 8:00pm

Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU)

Assistant Referee 1: Mike Adamson (SRU)

Assistant Referee 2: Frank Murphy (IRFU)

TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Jones back to not using subs again?

All about the WC....

Well it's roll the dice time now.

He wont....hes doing his... "lessons learned" bs...

Jesus. Youngs is slow.

Mind France aren't the same team without Dupont...

Dupont, who else!

England will fade away now

Randall's fkrst pass is behind Smith who's run then takes him behind the rest of his backline. Shambles. Luckily we had advantage.

Get Ford on, Smith is having an off day.

Surely need to convert this to 5 points to have a chance

England supporters can only hope France score a hatful and Jones is sacked and we see a team with decent coaches and the best players playing in their best positions and don't see some players ever again i.e. Furbank, Daly and Youngs.

Exiledinborders wrote:England supporters can only hope France score a hatful and Jones is sacked and we see a team with decent coaches and the best players playing in their best positions and don't see some players ever again i.e. Furbank, Daly and Youngs.

Well I'd love the see the results of that with an English win please.

France have been very smart with that rule change throughout the tournament. Classic Edwards style thinking

Not sure he was over the line there - should have allowed England to get the ball back ...

Heaf wrote:Not sure he was over the line there - should have allowed England to get the ball back ...

There were a few England forwards asking that.

Scrum question for any forwards on here. I always thought you add more weight and power at 8 than flanker?

Exiledinborders wrote:England supporters can only hope France score a hatful and Jones is sacked and we see a team with decent coaches and the best players playing in their best positions and don't see some players ever again i.e. Furbank, Daly and Youngs.

I dont hope for that....

The boys have given France a proper game like they did Ireland last week.

A few tweaks for the summer tour and England might be a different proposition....

When did Daly learn to tackle

High tackle

Imagine if we'd gone into this with some fast wingers a solid full back who knows they can't put their foot in touch when catching a ball and an inside centre and decent scrum half. Jones wants kicking.

Ford's on and we move in attack, then comes handling error...

And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Imagine if Peyper hadn't gifted France 10 points ....

king_carlos wrote:And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Give over. I've seen Ford do that plenty.

I still dont think France will win the WC....

Jones wants properly hauling over the coals for that. Both a winnable game and a winnable tournament.

Congratulations to France, clearly the better team this6ns and well deserved Grand slam winners.

England gave it their best shot of their performance this tournament, but just not good enough to beat France at home. First Grand Slam in 10 years or so.

France were the better team regardless of potential knock ons. When Dupont and Ntamack get chances they usually take them.

Congratulations France. A fantastic team that seem to be getting better. Ollivon and Vakatawa to return. They could be something very special at the 2023 RWC.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Imagine if we'd gone into this with some fast wingers a solid full back who knows they can't put their foot in touch when catching a ball and an inside centre and decent scrum half. Jones wants kicking.

We HAVE to see this in the summer tour

And a monster lock to partner Itoje...

Well congrats France but I still think they're getting a bit overhyped ... England gave them a good game despite the obvious issues they have

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Give over. I've seen Ford do that plenty.

Examples of one as poor as that which handed the opposition a try?

It's possible to rate Smith and notice he had an abject game.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Jones wants properly hauling over the coals for that. Both a  winnable game and a winnable tournament.

Well obviously, all 6 teams have a chance to win it.....

nathan wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Jones wants properly hauling over the coals for that. Both a  winnable game and a winnable tournament.

Well obviously,  all 6 teams have a chance to win it.....

Really?

Well done France, very deserved winners of the GS

England turned up and played well. They needed to as they might have been blown out of the stadium if not.

Ps at least Ireland didnt win

king_carlos wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Give over. I've seen Ford do that plenty.

Examples of one as poor as that which handed the opposition a try?

It's possible to rate Smith and notice he had an abject game.

Don't be silly, it's still Fords fault we don't have an attack even with Smith at 10.

king_carlos wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Give over. I've seen Ford do that plenty.

Examples of one as poor as that which handed the opposition a try?

It's possible to rate Smith and notice he had an abject game.

I don't think it handed them a try. That's like beshocked saying Nowells dropped high ball cost England a try. Plenty happens after that that could have stopped it. Including Youngs stepping out and letting them make the final break.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jones goes. Unsure who would take over though. I don't think Baxter wants it. McCall has just taken a break for his health. Borthwick is inexperienced at the top job. Most big overseas coaches will have their contracts setup to run with the RWC cycle.

On a serious note Jones needs to sort it out on the summer tour

nathan wrote:

king_carlos wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Give over. I've seen Ford do that plenty.

Examples of one as poor as that which handed the opposition a try?

It's possible to rate Smith and notice he had an abject game.

Don't be silly, it's still Fords fault we don't have an attack even with Smith at 10.

Here come the Leicester fans.

king_carlos wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Jones goes. Unsure who would take over though. I don't think Baxter wants it. McCall has just taken a break for his health. Borthwick is inexperienced at the top job. Most big overseas coaches will have their contracts setup to run with the RWC cycle.

Robertson.  Has to be .

king_carlos wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Jones goes. Unsure who would take over though. I don't think Baxter wants it. McCall has just taken a break for his health. Borthwick is inexperienced at the top job. Most big overseas coaches will have their contracts setup to run with the RWC cycle.

You can have Dean Richards

Can't see them getting rid this close to the WC

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Give over. I've seen Ford do that plenty.

Examples of one as poor as that which handed the opposition a try?

It's possible to rate Smith and notice he had an abject game.

I don't think it handed them a try. That's like beshocked saying Nowells dropped high ball cost England a try. Plenty happens after that that could have stopped it. Including Youngs stepping out and letting them make the final break.

So to sum up it handed them prime attacking possession that resulted in a try a few phases later. Splendid.

Smith needs to learn how to take the ball flat, stop crabbing across the pitch and shovelling poor ball on to his centres. Didn’t make any space for his Slade et al over the course of the tournament. Not sure he’s a 10. He’d make a super 9 though.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

nathan wrote:

king_carlos wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

king_carlos wrote:And a 10 who doesn't boot cross field kicks to the opposition...

Give over. I've seen Ford do that plenty.

Examples of one as poor as that which handed the opposition a try?

It's possible to rate Smith and notice he had an abject game.

Don't be silly, it's still Fords fault we don't have an attack even with Smith at 10.

Here come the Leicester fans.

You sound like beshocked?

Edit

Anyway, thought steward, Lawes, Genge played well.

Would be interesting to see Genges meters made in the end.

Really? I think beshocked used to defend his teams players constantly over anyone else. Like the Leicester fans here with youngs? Yeah quite sure that was it.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Edit

You didn't put the best show in after the Ireland game last week GF mate!

nathan wrote:Anyway, thought steward, Lawes, Genge played well.

Would be interesting to see Genges meters made in the end.

And Marchant.

king_carlos wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Edit

You didn't put the best show in after the Ireland game last week GF mate!

I was drunk and dont like the Irish....