Scotland Summer tests against Argentina

First topic message reminder :

So two more matches left on the summer tour for Scotland and we need to see a big improvement to take the series into a deciding leg, next weekend.

We will need to see a big improvement to achieve that and it will involve a working game plan from Toonie and buy in from the players and the skill and patience on their part to make it work.


There is an undeniable feel that Scotland are a team on the slide at the moment and nothing we have seen in the last few games has given us any signs that is not the case. This makes this match on saturday very important. Losing it and in particular losing it with a poor performance is really going to ask more questions about Toonie's future and where this group of players are heading.

I got my A in English at GCSE, my English is supperb. Their is nothing wrong, I don't know what your talking about; Jimbo.

NeilyBroon wrote:I got my A in English at GCSE, my English is supperb. Their is nothing wrong, I don't know what your talking about; Jimbo.

Jimbo goes on about this alot but I don't see what the issue is; I speak like this aswell: theirs no reason he should complain so much

(That was actually painful to write)

Thanks gentlemen you made mrspip smile; something I haven't managed since the deckchair incident in Blackpool in 1985.

Finally, I get a chance to quote Churchill:
"This is pedantry, up with which I will not put".

George Carlin wrote:Finally, I get a chance to quote Churchill:
"This is pedantry, up with which I will not put".

You forgot:
"Ohhhh yes!"

That Neily, he's a dog...but they love him. Breaks a new heart every day.

Jesus jimbo. How long have you been married?

This isn’t a joke about your advancing years, it’s more of a reference to when did mrs pip get her long service medal for care in the community.

Kyle Rowe out of Autumn tests so a chance for another winger perhaps.

Anyway, where are we in terms of world cup prep because I'd say either not far off or miles off, I can't decide lol , the first test I would have said miles and miles off but the last 2 tests I'm more confident we're on the right track . All we need to do is brush up our discipline (we've said that for ages ao it's bloody infuriating ) and defence and we could ne OK.

I always make my feelings on the gaffer known so won't say much other than, he's going nowhere which I'm happy with.

On to the autumn, I would like to see Jack Dempsey and Fin Smith get capped, I was also going to sat Charlie Chapman but tbh we're fine with Price, White and Horne I'd say.

Feel free to add to this with your thoughts and go easy on the criticism haha.

Highland
I love your optimism. Sadly I don't share it. Too many should have won/ could have won games to be able to build confidence going into a WC.
Constant, and almost random, team changes hamper our progress and an inability to handle restarts and a constantly malfunctioning lineout add to the sense that this coaching group and set of players, collectively, aren't up to the job of winning big games when it counts.

https://www.scottishrugbyblog.co.uk/2022/07/do-we-ever-learn-anything/

Here is a good article on our poor summer tour series v Argentina, by the lads at the Scottish Rugby blog .

Highland Shaun this week wrote:

I always make my feelings on the gaffer known so won't say much other than, he's going nowhere which I'm happy with.

Highland Shaun 3 weeks ago wrote:How long until we start questioning if the clown in the dugout is the right man to lead us because these Poopie performances are becoming unacceptable as is his pathetic team line ups!?

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but now I'm beginning to lose patience ffs !  

That’s quite the turnaround Shaun!

Your misunderstanding that post lol, in no way did I say I was wanting him sacked, all I was asking was the question that most wanted answered and that was: how long until we start questioning his position because until now (see Mark Palmer article in The Times) he was getting an easy ride from media etc despite indifferent performances/results and it is still true that my patience is running low as its so infuriating how inconsistent we are.

Well Ali Price is on holiday with Finn just now so there definitely wasn't anything serious in their twitter exchange last week!

That is the most outrageously stalkers post we've had on here in a long time.

Highland Shaun wrote:Your misunderstanding that post lol, in no way did I say I was wanting him sacked, all I was asking was the question that most wanted answered and that was: how long until we start questioning his position because until now (see Mark Palmer article in The Times) he was getting an easy ride from media etc despite indifferent performances/results and it is still true that my patience is running low as its so infuriating how inconsistent we are.

I think we've all been extensively questioning his position for the last two years!

He's like a poor man's Clive Woodward, a people manager who depends on those around him to make him look better.

I am, however, resigned to the fact he's here until 2023.

jimbopip wrote:That is the most outrageously stalkers post we've had on here in a long time.

Ask your kids to explain Instagram to you Jimbo

Imagine Scotland get out of their RWC group and win their QF going out in the semi finals. The SRU then extend Townsends contract a further two years. How would many feel about that on here?

Personally I think it’s not just the RWC results that matter and we need to see the team progress over this coming season. A strong autumn, a good six nations and a better than expected RWC.

bsando wrote:Imagine Scotland get out of their RWC group and win their QF going out in the semi finals. The SRU then extend Townsends contract a further two years. How would many feel about that on here?

Personally I think it’s not just the RWC results that matter and we need to see the team progress over this coming season. A strong autumn, a good six nations and a better than expected RWC.

All very hypothetical (as well as unlikely)

However if we acheived that, you would say he deserved it.

To be honest though, i don't see one scenario without the other. If we do start playing better this autumn and in the 6N then who knows how the WC will go but we will see the signs of that before it happens.

We are not really seeing those signs atm and am not very confident that we will.

RDW wrote:Well Ali Price is on holiday with Finn just now so there definitely wasn't anything serious in their twitter exchange last week!

That telescope you got for Christmas is really coming into its own.

George Carlin wrote:

RDW wrote:Well Ali Price is on holiday with Finn just now so there definitely wasn't anything serious in their twitter exchange last week!

That telescope you got for Christmas is really coming into its own.

I suspect it's already been upgraded to an infra-red see through walls model.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/all-blacks-rugby-crusaders-coach-scott-robertson-says-hes-open-to-offers-from-rival-nations-after-all-blacks-coaching-snub/5CZY2KQZH4QQ67I4TVNG77II7Y/?fbclid=IwAR3HzgX85HgxP7Z0WCLIUe8B1RT7hX-kl-boWC2Z6oc8mHnRfcfyUIwlreM

Come on over Scotty boy. All the square slice and Irn Bru you want.

George Carlin wrote:https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/all-blacks-rugby-crusaders-coach-scott-robertson-says-hes-open-to-offers-from-rival-nations-after-all-blacks-coaching-snub/5CZY2KQZH4QQ67I4TVNG77II7Y/?fbclid=IwAR3HzgX85HgxP7Z0WCLIUe8B1RT7hX-kl-boWC2Z6oc8mHnRfcfyUIwlreM

Come on over Scotty boy. All the square slice and Irn Bru you want.

I suspect that interview was more aimed at the NZ Rugby Board than anyone else!

He did say he wants to win a WC with both NZ and another team - Scotland is the obvious choice!

He is good friends with Eddie Jones though and it's entirely feasible that England will want him signed up to take over once the RWC ends. Jones has already said he's not staying.

Question is whether intense pressure at home will be enough for NZ rugby to boot their current coach now.

Can someone remind me what Joe Schmidt is doing? He's involved in the All Black's preparation somehow, isn't he?

Schmidt is officially a selector for the ABs. In the modern professional game, I have no clue what that would actually involve.

https://www.theoffsideline.com/jamie-ritchie-scotland-captaincy/

Interesting thoughts. Obviously in discussion!

NeilyBroon wrote:https://www.theoffsideline.com/jamie-ritchie-scotland-captaincy/

Interesting thoughts. Obviously in discussion!

Well he probably is the outstanding candidate for the role.

Pretty much guaranteed his place in the team, seems a born leader who can drive the team on. He was the one player we really missed in this 6N just gone and really might have made the difference.


Slightly odd though, as you suggest to be openly speculating on it at this stage and hard to see Hoggy being pleased about that, but until it is officially announced, I guess there will be these discussions.

BigGee wrote:

NeilyBroon wrote:https://www.theoffsideline.com/jamie-ritchie-scotland-captaincy/

Interesting thoughts. Obviously in discussion!

Well he probably is the outstanding candidate for the role.

Pretty much guaranteed his place in the team, seems a born leader who can drive the team on. He was the one player we really missed in this 6N just gone and really might have made the difference.


Slightly odd though, as you suggest to be openly speculating on it at this stage and hard to see Hoggy being pleased about that, but until it is officially announced, I guess there will be these discussions.

Its a coup! A glorious uprising of the working mans forward! Hoggy first, then Townsend followed swiftly by Dodson, the dawn of a new glorious Scottish rugby era where we win more than 3 tests a year and figure out how to beat wales every other year!

BigGee wrote:

NeilyBroon wrote:https://www.theoffsideline.com/jamie-ritchie-scotland-captaincy/

Interesting thoughts. Obviously in discussion!

Well he probably is the outstanding candidate for the role.

Pretty much guaranteed his place in the team, seems a born leader who can drive the team on. He was the one player we really missed in this 6N just gone and really might have made the difference.


Slightly odd though, as you suggest to be openly speculating on it at this stage and hard to see Hoggy being pleased about that, but until it is officially announced, I guess there will be these discussions.

Wasn't Hogg supposedly overheard saying something along the lines of 'Ill be happy when I don't have to do this anymore' before being interviewed after the last 6N match. I recall it was thought that it was because he knew he wouldn't be going on the summer tour, but perhaps he had already discussed standing down as Captain?

Or am I completely mistaken?

He was definitely disgruntled at the end of the 6N but that may have been understandable given the circumstances.

He certainly sounded chipper about keeping the csptsincy when he was getting joshed when he was the pundit on the sofa watching the Argentina tests.

My own feeling is that both parties need a change. Let Hoggy concentrate on his game and let the team move on.

Ritchie does seem to be the outstanding candidate for the role.

Tell ya what. We’re Sh!te at ladies 7s