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Post by Geordie Wed 10 Aug 2022, 9:21 am

First topic message reminder :

Season is nearly upon us....whats your opinions and hopes for this season...

1. Hopes and Expectations on finishing spot
2. What you want to see from your team
3. Your strengths and Weaknesses
3. Player to watch
4. Academy prospect to watch.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 15 Sep 2022, 8:21 am

Oh I thought it was a foot not a boot, gotta read those reports more carefully!

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Post by geoff999rugby Thu 15 Sep 2022, 10:32 am

Measured speed metres per second

Rees-Zamatt 10.73
May 10.59
Radwan 10.89

We have a young player at Ulster who clocked 10.49 as a schoolboy

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 15 Sep 2022, 10:42 am

geoff999rugby wrote:Measured speed metres per second

Rees-Zamatt 10.73
May 10.59
Radwan 10.89

We have a young player at Ulster who clocked 10.49 as a schoolboy

Yeah I'd seen those. Doesn't tell you though if that's with or without ball, it's clearly peak speed but how do those speeds fall off over 10 metres, 20 etc. And how quickly do the players get up to those speeds.

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Post by geoff999rugby Thu 15 Sep 2022, 11:06 am

Absolutely.

Crossdale who was chasing Rees-Zermatt is fast in his own right.
Here at Ulster Baloucoune is no slouch and would be in the same company.
I think the point is Rees-Zermatt is fast but he is not in a league of his own as a speedster

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Post by propdavid_london Thu 15 Sep 2022, 11:13 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:Measured speed metres per second

Rees-Zamatt 10.73
May 10.59
Radwan 10.89

We have a young player at Ulster who clocked 10.49 as a schoolboy

Yeah I'd seen those. Doesn't tell you though if that's with or without ball, it's clearly peak speed but how do those speeds fall off over 10 metres, 20 etc. And how quickly do the players get up to those speeds.
Agree - Jason Robinson wasnt the fastest over 100m - but his acceleration and footwork is what stood out against his peers

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Post by Geordie Thu 15 Sep 2022, 12:02 pm

i would say RZ (and May previously) is much better over a longer duration than Radwan.

Ive said many times before Radwans speed off the mark is more like Robinsons...he can jink and go in blistering speed but would probably be caught over a full length...

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Post by propdavid_london Thu 15 Sep 2022, 1:08 pm

Its a good combination if you can get a 'jinker/stepper' and an out and out 'gas man' on each wing.
Ideally a 'gas man' that is also stacked.

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Post by propdavid_london Thu 15 Sep 2022, 1:08 pm

propdavid_london wrote:Its a good combination if you can get a 'jinker/stepper' and an out and out 'gas man' on each wing.  
Ideally a 'gas man' that is also stacked.  
Wasps team of Wade and Varndell did pretty well - shocking in defence though

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Post by geoff999rugby Thu 15 Sep 2022, 1:10 pm

Their was a little Welshman a few years back who was quite good at the jinky bits !

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Post by propdavid_london Thu 15 Sep 2022, 1:29 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Their was a little Welshman a few years back who was quite good at the jinky bits !
There certainly was - who was normally partnered with him in a Welsh shirt?

Robinson - Cohen worked very well, so too was Robinson with Balshaw or Luger

North-Cuthbert kind of bucked the trend with 2 sizable wingers - but that worked well for Gatlands model



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Post by Geordie Thu 15 Sep 2022, 1:30 pm

propdavid_london wrote:Its a good combination if you can get a 'jinker/stepper' and an out and out 'gas man' on each wing.  
Ideally a 'gas man' that is also stacked.  

We had that with Sinoti and Goneva...sadly the coaches forgot they needed to actually feed them decent ball...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu 15 Sep 2022, 4:41 pm

propdavid_london wrote:Its a good combination if you can get a 'jinker/stepper' and an out and out 'gas man' on each wing.  
Ideally a 'gas man' that is also stacked.  

Tigers have always preferred the hammer and sickle options. Get a big pacey bloke on the left wing (so often a Tuilagi) and then someone with pace on the right.

Worked well with the Nadolo and Potter combination last season.

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Post by Geordie Thu 15 Sep 2022, 8:10 pm

Aaahhh Alex Tuilagi...one of my favorite players ever.
I watched a video the other day about the Samoa v South Africa game where Henry and Alex were playing like posssed demons...even the South Africans just couldn't cope.

For Leicester, Add in the late Seru Rabeni and that was fun to watch....

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 16 Sep 2022, 12:05 pm

STARTING XV:
15 Chris Ashton [13]
14 Harry Potter [42]
13 Matt Scott [48]
12 Guy Porter [45]
11 Nemani Nadolo [37]
10 Jimmy Gopperth [1]
9 Ben Youngs (vc) [283]
1 James Cronin [1]
2 Charlie Clare [53]
3 Dan Cole (vc) [291]
4 Harry Wells [157]
5 Calum Green [91]
6 George Martin [40]
7 Ollie Chessum [31]
8 Hanro Liebenberg (c) [60]

REPLACEMENTS:
16 Joe Taufete’e *
17 Francois van Wyk [18]
18 Joe Heyes [101]
19 Olly Cracknell [1]
20 Tommy Reffell [79]
21 Jack van Poortvliet [48]
22 Phil Cokanasiga [1]
23 Kini Murimurivalu [37]

* Leicester Tigers senior debut

15 Alex Tait, 14 Adam Radwan, 13 George Wacokecoke, 12 Pete Lucock, 11 Nathan Earle, 10 Brett Connon, 9 Josh Barton; 1 Phil Brantingham, 2 George McGuigan, 3 Trevor Davison, 4 Greg Peterson, 5 Sean Robinson, 6 Will Welch (captain), 7 Jamie Blamire, 8 Carl Fearns.

Replacements: 16 Charlie Maddison, 17 Conrad Cade, 18 Mark Tampin, 19 Sebastian de Chaves, 20 Connor Collett, 21 Cameron Nordli-Kelemeti, 22 Tian Schoeman, 23 Mateo Carreras.

Not available for selection: Adam Brocklebank, Callum Chick, Luke Coulston, Matthew Dalton, Matt Deehan, Gary Graham, Matias Moroni, Logovi'i Mulipola, Chidera Obonna, Matias Orlando, Tom Penny, Guy Pepper, Vereimi Qorowale, Charlie Smith, Sam Stuart, Philip van der Walt, Michael Young.

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Post by Poorfour Fri 16 Sep 2022, 12:29 pm

Harlequins Starting XV
1. Joe Marler
2. George Head
3. Will Collier
4. George Hammond
5. Irne Herbst
6. Jack Kenningam
7. Will Evans
8. Alex Dombrandt – Captain
9. Lewis Gjaltema
10. Tommy Allan
11. Cadan Murley
12. Lennox Anyanwu
13. Luke Northmore
14. Joe Marchant
15. Tyrone Green

Impact Players
16. Jack Walker
17. Simon Kerrod
18. Wilco Louw
19. Dino Lamb
20. Archie White
21. Jack Stafford
22. Will Edwards
23. Hayden Hyde

1 Eroni Mawi
2 Tom Woolstencroft
3 Christian Judge
4 Maro Itoje
5 Hugh Tizard
6 Theo McFarland
7 Ben Earl
8 Billy Vunipola
9 Ivan van Zyl
10 Owen Farrell (c)
11 Alex Lewington
12 Nick Tompkins
13 Alex Lozowski
14 Max Malins
15 Elliot Daly

Replacements:
16 Jamie George
17 Mako Vunipola
18 Alec Clarey
19 Andy Christie
20 Jackson Wray
21 Aled Davies
22 Manu Vunipola
23 Duncan Taylor

Absurdly strong Saracens team with their England internationals cleared to play. Meanwhile, Smith wasn’t given approval and Care has a slight injury. Going to be a tough game, methinks, and I’d expect Marler to try to wind up Tizard at some point…
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