RWC 2023 Final - New Zealand v South Africa, 28 October
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RWC 2023 Final - New Zealand v South Africa, 28 October
NEW ZEALAND v SOUTH AFRICA
28 October 2023
21:00 local time (CEST) (UTC+2)
Stade de France, Saint-Denis
Live on ITV/S4C
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Touch judges: Karl Dickson, Matthew Carley
Television match official: Tom Foley
A. Head to Head
105 Played 105
62 Won 39
4 Drawn 4
39 Lost 62
2185 Points 1728
B. Recent Form
25 September 2021
North Queensland Stadium, Townsville
19–17 to New Zealand
2 October 2021
Robina Stadium, Gold Coast
29–31 to South Africa
6 August 2022
Mbombela Stadium, Mbombela
26–10 to South Africa
13 August 2022
Ellis Park, Johannesburg
23–35 to New Zealand
15 July 2023
Mount Smart Stadium, Auckland
35–20 to New Zealand
25 August 2023
Twickenham Stadium, London
35–7 to South Africa
C. Teams
NEW ZEALAND
B Barrett; Jordan, Ioane, J Barrett, Telea; Mo'unga, Smith; De Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S Barrett, Frizell, Cane (capt), Savea.
Replacements: Liernert-Brown for Jordan (71), McKenzie for Mo'unga (75), Christie for Smith (66), Williams for de Groot (66), Taukeiaho for Taylor (66), Papali'i for Retallick (71).Not Used: Laulala, Whitelock.
SOUTH AFRICA
Willemse; Arendse, Kriel, De Allende, Kolbe; Pollard, De Klerk; Kitshoff, Mbonambi, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Mostert, Kolisi (capt), Du Toit, Vermeulen.
Replacements: Fourie for Nbonambi (4) Le Roux for Willemse (66), Nche for Kitshoff (52), Kleyn for Etzebeth (58), Snyman for Mostert (52), Wiese for Kolisi (73), Smith for Vermeulen (58).
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formerly known as Sam wrote:Willemse is killing the Boks any attempt to attack. Kick and kick badly seems to be his motto. Should change his allegiance to England and be the next Owen Farrell.
He'd be picked by Borthwick then as playing to the tactics.
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formerly known as Sam wrote:Willemse is killing the Boks any attempt to attack. Kick and kick badly seems to be his motto. Should change his allegiance to England and be the next Owen Farrell.
It's laughable Sam....everyone's slated England and apparently the two best have served up this dirge....
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Taylorman wrote:Why no advantage to the Boks? Far out they could have scored.
Forward pass.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:formerly known as Sam wrote:Willemse is killing the Boks any attempt to attack. Kick and kick badly seems to be his motto. Should change his allegiance to England and be the next Owen Farrell.
He'd be picked by Borthwick then as playing to the tactics.
Even when he instructs them to do something else the kicking badly motto springs forth. See Care and the pathetic drop goal attempt from the scrum in the 22 when England had advantage and a set move off Smith to run last night.
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Hope we get some drama in the last 10.
I actually think a NZ try is needed to spice up the game! Forces SA to go for it.
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formerly known as Sam wrote:No 7&1/2 wrote:formerly known as Sam wrote:Willemse is killing the Boks any attempt to attack. Kick and kick badly seems to be his motto. Should change his allegiance to England and be the next Owen Farrell.
He'd be picked by Borthwick then as playing to the tactics.
Even when he instructs them to do something else the kicking badly motto springs forth. See Care and the pathetic drop goal attempt from the scrum in the 22 when England had advantage and a set move off Smith to run last night.
Yeah yeah. And it's all good when Ford kicks the everything the same and Youngs does the same. Its just weird.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:Taylorman wrote:Why no advantage to the Boks? Far out they could have scored.
Forward pass.
Ok didn’t see that. Ten mins to go. Hopefully that’s about the play. Close finish. One team gets four titles.
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RDW wrote:Got to say this final hasn't been a classic.
Hope we get some drama in the last 10.
I actually think a NZ try is needed to spice up the game! Forces SA to go for it.
Its been terrible, SA look wrecked.
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tigertattie wrote:New Zealand pack it totally gassed.
Their subs need to lift it. They've been kept back late presumably for that purpose.
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RDW wrote:Got to say this final hasn't been a classic.
Hope we get some drama in the last 10.
I actually think a NZ try is needed to spice up the game! Forces SA to go for it.
Everyone has combined to make it a dour affair.
Be happy to rip off a freebie here
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SA deserve to lose based on how they've approached this second half.
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Well and NZ having a try chalked off for an offence 5 or 6 phases beforehand.Duty281 wrote:Sets up an interesting conclusion.
SA deserve to lose based on how they've approached this second half.
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Panicky by Kolbe wasn't it.
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Both teams not making good decisions.
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formerly known as Sam wrote:Mark Telea the wing/flanker got to be in a shout with man of the match if New Zealand snatch this.
Dutoit by a mile regardless of who wins.
By a MILE.
In my opinion.
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Taylorman wrote:formerly known as Sam wrote:Mark Telea the wing/flanker got to be in a shout with man of the match if New Zealand snatch this.
Dutoit by a mile regardless of who wins.
By a MILE.
In my opinion.
mine too
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It's an absolute inconsistent shambles.
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Collapse2005 wrote:Taylorman wrote:formerly known as Sam wrote:Mark Telea the wing/flanker got to be in a shout with man of the match if New Zealand snatch this.
Dutoit by a mile regardless of who wins.
By a MILE.
In my opinion.
mine too
27 tackles they said a minute ago. About 10 of those he's absolutely melted the Kiwi on the receiving end. He's a very good shout.
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Well done. This would have been a bonus for us who are proud to be even in this final
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PSDT
Wayne Barnes
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tigertattie wrote:Two men won that game for SA
PSDT
Wayne Barnes
Pathetic comment
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tigertattie wrote:Two men won that game for SA
PSDT
Wayne Barnes
Sam Cane
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Well done Boks
Commiserations to the All Blacks
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Shame it was a pretty low quality final but SA won't care about that!
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Not the best celebration for the game but all kudos to the Boks.
They’re not our greatest rivals for nothing.
Enjoy!
If Dutoit is not POTM then more need to go to Specsavers.
He was awesome.
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Most successful team in RWC history.
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lostinwales wrote:tigertattie wrote:Two men won that game for SA
PSDT
Wayne Barnes
Sam Cane
PSDT and Barnes won it for SA
Sam Cane lost it for NZ
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tigertattie wrote:lostinwales wrote:tigertattie wrote:Two men won that game for SA
PSDT
Wayne Barnes
Sam Cane
PSDT and Barnes won it for SA
Sam Cane lost it for NZ
Revised. But still an absolute pathetic comment.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:tigertattie wrote:lostinwales wrote:tigertattie wrote:Two men won that game for SA
PSDT
Wayne Barnes
Sam Cane
PSDT and Barnes won it for SA
Sam Cane lost it for NZ
Revised. But still an absolute pathetic comment.
Not sure what Barnes did wrong really. Both sides pushed the boundaries in terms of laws excessively.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:tigertattie wrote:lostinwales wrote:tigertattie wrote:Two men won that game for SA
PSDT
Wayne Barnes
Sam Cane
PSDT and Barnes won it for SA
Sam Cane lost it for NZ
Revised. But still an absolute pathetic comment.
Why?
When a ref says “oops sorry that wasn’t actually a penalty there, but hey, I’ve given it now, please, take your shot at goal Mr Pollard” that’s just plain wrong
And the number of times a SA player was playing the ball off those feet!!! Christ one time Fourie was fully lying flat on his front and he handled the ball and pushed it back to the SA side.
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As much as I don’t like Cane as our 7 nor captain for me those situational things catch the offender just as much as the victim sometimes. Did Cane want to hit his head? No. Did he have the time to adjust for the potential problem? No.tigertattie wrote:lostinwales wrote:tigertattie wrote:Two men won that game for SA
PSDT
Wayne Barnes
Sam Cane
PSDT and Barnes won it for SA
Sam Cane lost it for NZ
He simply got caught out, a guy running at him and he tried to stop him.
Rules say it’s on you.
So off he goes. Reds are more marginal these days. They used to require malicious intent. Now they simply require poor positioning and a surprise factor.
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Well done to SA but they have had the benefit of some decidedly poor officiating ...
I know you can't say how the game would have gone afterwards but that clearly wrong early pen which Barnes apologised for could have been the difference ...
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