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Post by Geordie Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:35 pm

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Friday
Bath v Bristol - 19.45 (TNT Sports)
Sale v Newcastle - 19.45 (Prem TV)

Saturday
Leicester v Northampton - 15.05 (TNT Sports)
Harlequins v Saracens - 17.30 (TNT Sports)

Sunday
Exeter v Gloucester - 15.00 (TNT Sports)

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:38 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Monye racially abused after the match today.

That's shocking. Hope they've arrested the b@stards.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:50 pm

Geordie wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Exeter scrum looking really strong again. Painter and Tuima scrumming together on that side must be a nightmare. But a red would sort things for glaws...

Just watching Painter closely....he's a monster in the scrum but he really doesn't offer much st all around the pitch...almost a passenger. .

Can you do that role at international level or do you need to offer more.

Yeah he's a bit old school tighthead isn't he. His scrummaging has really come on since his summer move. I think he's embraced his strengths at Chiefs which is why he seems to be in better form than at Saints where he seemed to be focused on trying to contribute in attack. At Chiefs he carries and tackles close to the ruck and then waits for the set piece. Suits him. He might get away with it at international level if he can reload swiftly.

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Post by doctor_grey Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:18 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Monye racially abused after the match today.

That's shocking. Hope they've arrested the b@stards.
Where was that reported (I didn't see anything)? Hope to heck it's wrong. This sh!t simply has to stop.

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Post by Geordie Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:19 pm

Maybe a stint in the England A game to see how he goes.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:32 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Monye racially abused after the match today.

That's shocking. Hope they've arrested the b@stards.
Where was that reported (I didn't see anything)? Hope to heck it's wrong. This sh!t simply has to stop.

From the horses mouth.

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Post by Heaf Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:09 pm

https://twitter.com/ugomonye/status/1726288438356513181?s=46

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:40 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67470036

Just not acceptable. Chiefs have launched an investigation.

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Post by Rugby Fan Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:35 am

I noticed a couple of things in the Exeter game which have become a bit irritating at all levels.

In one instance the ball became available at the base of a ruck. One of the defending players was in a position to reach and claim it but he had to pause, and check with the referee that he also thought it was out, which he did. By then, though, he'd lost a split-second advantage, and fumbled the ball forward as opposition players also tried to clean it up.

He could have just backed himself to be right but he probably didn't, because the cost of being wrong, and giving away a penalty is so high. It's likely also a by-product of all the on-field coaching referees do these days, like "hands away", and "behind the feet". If the referee hasn't actually said "ball's out" (as some do), then then it might just sow a seed of doubt, making the player hesitate.

In a similar vein, the penalty at the end against Gloucester seemed to be given because Harris won the ball with a jackal which was deemed illegal, because one of his own players had slowed the ball down by not rolling away.

Ultimately, the penalty was for not rolling away, rather than the jackal, but the penalty wouldn't have been awarded if Harris had let Exeter have the ball, so it was the action of Harris which generated the penalty. However, it's hard to see how Harris would have known not to go for the ball, as the referee didn't say "hands off".

It's easy to understand why referees these days give so many onfield instructions. If they blow every penalty offence, then the game would never flow. When the "hands away" call goes up, it tells a player he has infringed, but not by enough to affect play, unless he persists. The referee has decided to ignore that penalty in the interests of the overall game.

During the World Cup, one captain told the referee he was doing that so much, he was effectively coaching the other team in how not to give away penalties, which was disadvantaging his side.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:25 pm

I've seen Stuart Barnes get arsey for the same thing ie refs coaching through the game and wanting to merely penalise players without warning. I get the view but I think in general the games that the likes of Barnes (the better version) are better spectacles as players generally do know the line better and keeps the momentum going. From the aspect of the casual viewer (and for when Dallaglio is commentating) it helps you know what's going on too.

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Post by doctor_grey Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:48 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:I noticed a couple of things in the Exeter game which have become a bit irritating at all levels.

In one instance the ball became available at the base of a ruck. One of the defending players was in a position to reach and claim it but he had to pause, and check with the referee that he also thought it was out, which he did. By then, though, he'd lost a split-second advantage, and fumbled the ball forward as opposition players also tried to clean it up.

He could have just backed himself to be right but he probably didn't, because the cost of being wrong, and giving away a penalty is so high. It's likely also a by-product of all the on-field coaching referees do these days, like "hands away", and "behind the feet". If the referee hasn't actually said "ball's out" (as some do), then then it might just sow a seed of doubt, making the player hesitate.

In a similar vein, the penalty at the end against Gloucester seemed to be given because Harris won the ball with a jackal which was deemed illegal, because one of his own players had slowed the ball down by not rolling away.

Ultimately, the penalty was for not rolling away, rather than the jackal, but the penalty wouldn't have been awarded if Harris had let Exeter have the ball, so it was the action of Harris which generated the penalty. However, it's hard to see how Harris would have known not to go for the ball, as the referee didn't say "hands off".


It's easy to understand why referees these days give so many onfield instructions. If they blow every penalty offence, then the game would never flow. When the "hands away" call goes up, it tells a player he has infringed, but not by enough to affect play, unless he persists. The referee has decided to ignore that penalty in the interests of the overall game.

During the World Cup, one captain told the referee he was doing that so much, he was effectively coaching the other team in how not to give away penalties, which was disadvantaging his side.
At the time I didn't realise what the pen was for. To me, Harris looked fine. I didn't understand the pen was due to the player not rolling away. Lousy way to lose a game.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:30 am

Police seem to have found the guy shouting racist abuse then. Still can't believe there was seemingly so little reaction from the rest of the crowd there.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:15 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Police seem to have found the guy shouting racist abuse then. Still can't believe there was seemingly so little reaction from the rest of the crowd there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

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Post by doctor_grey Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:24 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Police seem to have found the guy shouting racist abuse then. Still can't believe there was seemingly so little reaction from the rest of the crowd there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
I think a lot of people generally think the people who go dropping the N word or anything similar are crazy, and don't feel comfortable confronting them out of concern how they will react.  The irony is there are a lot of regular people there who also don't want to hear that crap who would most likely back the person challenging the bad comments.  And making it worse is each time no one challenges this crap there is always a greater chance it happens again.

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Post by Heaf Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:44 pm

According to EggChasers security were on it almost immediately and people did intervene ... which I hope is accurate as that's what should have happened.

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