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Post by Geordie Sat 16 Dec 2023, 3:57 pm

First topic message reminder :

2 tries for Hartley at 12 .

Fdjour decent first scrum then missed some tackles etc.
Sales two wingers Reed and Roebuck were very impressive....

Bath v Cardiff now...lots of potential England options here.

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Post by lostinwales Thu 08 Feb 2024, 6:22 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:From one of those who wanted Simmonds at 12.

Tbf Earl.is never going to be a wc 7, he's not going to being the team when Curry is back.

When Curry gets back it will be Underhill missing out unless he really ups his game

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 09 Feb 2024, 3:20 am

Both should struggle to get in the starting lineup. If Earl does play it's because we're still playing him at 8 for some reason.

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Post by mountain man Fri 09 Feb 2024, 4:35 am

lostinwales wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:From one of those who wanted Simmonds at 12.

Tbf Earl.is never going to be a wc 7, he's not going to being the team when Curry is back.

When Curry gets back it will be Underhill missing out unless he really ups his game

Going on last match yes but I think the guy should give up rugby given injury and concussion record but that's another story.
As for Curry, hmm when was the last time he really delivered? Been a while.

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Post by Poorfour Fri 09 Feb 2024, 7:05 am

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No 7&1/2 wrote:Looks like Lynagh is fed up of waiting too and is off to Italy. Long injury lay off may have focused his mind that it's not worth waiting around particularly after seeing Mercer ignored for so long. I think he's better than a lot of guys we've put up recently and it's another loss.

Apparently Quins didn't offer him a contract, per the Telegraph.

That story is being presented in a very odd way that I think is favouring a sensational headline over looking at the reality of contracting this season.

Treviso offered Lynagh a contract with an expiry date for acceptance. They were the ones setting an ultimatum.

Lynagh asked Quins for a counter-offer, and Quins have so far declined to provide one within the deadline.

This season, lots of clubs will have contracts signed during COVID coming up for renewal and will need to fit them into the reduced salary cap. They will almost certainly have a priority order for the contracts they need to negotiate, and players lower down the list won't get an offer until the club knows how much they have left under the cap. Lynagh's deadline will likely have hit Quins before they've landed their higher priority negotiations.

Expect this sort of thing to happen quite a bit as clubs work through their lists. It's not that they don't want to keep players like Lynagh, it's that they have players they want to keep even more that they have to focus on first
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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 09 Feb 2024, 7:57 am

mountain man wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:From one of those who wanted Simmonds at 12.

Tbf Earl.is never going to be a wc 7, he's not going to being the team when Curry is back.

When Curry gets back it will be Underhill missing out unless he really ups his game

Going on last match yes but I think the guy should give up rugby given injury and concussion record but that's another story.
As for Curry, hmm when was the last time he really delivered? Been a while.

Consistently one of our best players. Earl isn't in the same league.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri 09 Feb 2024, 7:58 am

Poorfour wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Looks like Lynagh is fed up of waiting too and is off to Italy. Long injury lay off may have focused his mind that it's not worth waiting around particularly after seeing Mercer ignored for so long. I think he's better than a lot of guys we've put up recently and it's another loss.

Apparently Quins didn't offer him a contract, per the Telegraph.

That story is being presented in a very odd way that I think is favouring a sensational headline over looking at the reality of contracting this season.

Treviso offered Lynagh a contract with an expiry date for acceptance. They were the ones setting an ultimatum.

Lynagh asked Quins for a counter-offer, and Quins have so far declined to provide one within the deadline.

This season, lots of clubs will have contracts signed during COVID coming up for renewal and will need to fit them into the reduced salary cap. They will almost certainly have a priority order for the contracts they need to negotiate, and players lower down the list won't get an offer until the club knows how much they have left under the cap. Lynagh's deadline will likely have hit Quins before they've landed their higher priority negotiations.

Expect this sort of thing to happen quite a bit as clubs work through their lists. It's not that they don't want to keep players like Lynagh, it's that they have players they want to keep even more that they have to focus on first


And there's no pull of England appearance money in sight.

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Post by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2024, 4:18 am

mountain man wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:From one of those who wanted Simmonds at 12.

Tbf Earl.is never going to be a wc 7, he's not going to being the team when Curry is back.

When Curry gets back it will be Underhill missing out unless he really ups his game

Going on last match yes but I think the guy should give up rugby given injury and concussion record but that's another story.
As for Curry, hmm when was the last time he really delivered? Been a while.

Curry has to earn the shirt back. Earl offers points of difference now and has performed superbly at this level.
Until an 8 actually takes the spot (Barbeary might still be the hope) Earl can cover there...then move to 7 when one comes through.

Be interested to see hiw much time CCS gets this match and how he goes.


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Post by mountain man Sat 10 Feb 2024, 4:24 am

Geordie wrote:
mountain man wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:From one of those who wanted Simmonds at 12.

Tbf Earl.is never going to be a wc 7, he's not going to being the team when Curry is back.

When Curry gets back it will be Underhill missing out unless he really ups his game

Going on last match yes but I think the guy should give up rugby given injury and concussion record but that's another story.
As for Curry, hmm when was the last time he really delivered? Been a while.

Curry has to earn the shirt back. Earl offers points of difference now and has performed superbly at this level.
Until an 8 actually takes the spot (Barbeary might still be the hope) Earl can cover there...then move to 7 when one comes through.

Be interested to see hiw much time CCS gets this match and how he goes.


Yep totally agree about Earl. He had a quiet day for him last week but he unquestionably deserves place in backrow. I'd play him at 7 with C-CS at 8.
Curry is an excellent player but it's been a couple years since at his best. And he's prone to daft pens although same could be said for quite a few Eng players.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 10 Feb 2024, 4:40 am

He's not an 8. He's not a 6. Curry is miles better at 7. Good bench player no more if we want to be a top team.

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Post by mountain man Sat 10 Feb 2024, 4:45 am

That's why I just said I'd play him at 7 and C-CS at 8.
So come on, when was last time Curry had a really good game? It's been a while.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 10 Feb 2024, 4:53 am

He just plays consistently well all the time. Same as Itoje. He's always top 3 of our pack.

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Post by RiscaGame Sat 10 Feb 2024, 8:46 am

You guys only have a few more posts on this, before it gets locked due to the 20 page thing.

I will leave it to somebody to create a more jazzy thread for it, rather than me try and split the thread again.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2024, 9:20 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:He just plays consistently well all the time. Same as Itoje. He's always top 3 of our pack.

Curry is a lot less showy than he used to be, but really has a habit of being in the right place at the right time when it really matters and is better at the unseen stuff. I don't think he's been on his best form when he has played and the injuries haven't helped. However we are back to rating a player against their best performance rather than against the alternatives for their position. Curry at his worst is still better than most if not all the alternatives, sane with Itoje.

We have a similar problem, only in reverse, with CCS. I think he has huge potential but there is a danger in thinking he'll be able to do for 80 minutes what he did for 20 at the end of the match last week. Give him time and more conditioning and he might, but he's not a starter yet.

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 10 Feb 2024, 9:52 am

Just before it closes I would just like to say
Play steward at 12

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 10 Feb 2024, 12:17 pm

Is that foreshadowing a series of massive blunders at full back.

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