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Post by bsando Wed 7 Feb 2024 - 19:37

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Scotland vs France
Auld Alliance Trophy


Saturday 10th February 2024
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
Kick-off: 2:15pm
Referee: Nic Berry (Australia)


TV Coverage: Live on BBC (UK) and Virgin Media (ROI)


Teams


Scotland


Turner, Schoeman, Fagerson, Cummings, Gilchrist, Fagerson, Darge, Dempsey; White, Russell; VDM, Tuipulotu, Jones, Steyn, Rowe


Replacements: Ashman, Hepburn, Millar-Mills, Skinner, Christie, Horne, Healy, Redpath


France: 
15 Thomas Ramos; 14 Damian Penaud, 13 Gael Fickou, 12 Jonathan Danty, 11 Louis Bielle-Biarrey; 10 Matthieu Jalibert, 9 Maxime Lucu; 1 Cyril Baille, 2 Peato Mauvaka, 3 Uini Antonio, 4 Cameron Woki, 5 Paul Gabrillagues, 6 Francois Cros, 7 Charles Ollivon, 8 Gregory Alldritt (capt).
Replacements: 16 Julien Marchand, 17 Sebastien Taofifenua, 18 Dorian Aldegheri, 19 Posolo Tuilagi, 20 Alexandre Roumat, 21 Paul Boudehent, 22 Nolann Le Garrec, 23 Yoram Moefana.


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Post by BigGee Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:32

Great turnover from Aldrit

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:33

Ffs. Both hands clearly on the ground before going for the ball
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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:34

Hope Alldritt is alright. Absolutely top quality player and should have elected to play for Scotland
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Post by Heaf Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:34

Nige reckons he was supporting his own body weight - I'm not so sure ...

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Post by BigGee Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:35

Saved his team but cost him, that might be his champs over

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Post by TAFKA The Oracle Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:36

tigertattie wrote:Ffs. Both hands clearly on the ground before going for the ball

Well explained by Nige I thought. Ok as long as supporting own weight, and not using the hands to do so.

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Post by NeilyBroon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:37

Christie has had a great impact so far. Depending on the rest of the half I reckon he should get a chance starting against England.

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:43

Kick the points

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:43

Penalties really have such massive say on who wins games.
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Post by BigGee Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:44

Another pen for Scotland and this time they kick

16-10 Scotland



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Post by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:48

France look really powerful but execution leaves a lot to be desired

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:52

Neither team seem to be able take control of this game

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:54

What the f**k was that?

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:55

One of the worst international matches Ive seen in years. Dreadf from both sides.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:55

This has been absolute garbage.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:56

Can we not go back to the clear and obvious Penaud knock on????
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Post by BigGee Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:58

A try from nowhere

17-16 France

Scotland need to play now

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Post by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 15:58

Collapse2005 wrote:One of the worst international matches Ive seen in years. Dreadf from both sides.

Lucky you don't watch many England games then...

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Post by Heaf Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:00

Collapse2005 wrote:One of the worst international matches Ive seen in years. Dreadf from both sides.

England and Wales "Hold me beer" Ale

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:00

tigertattie wrote:Can we not go back to the clear and obvious Penaud knock on????

So obvious that he stopped playing after it. The clearest indicator, yet Berry missed it.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:02

Go back to the old rule for kicks and offside

Scotland are going back to penalty machines and retreating into our shells

Bye bye win
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Post by Mcsweens Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:03

If we lose this, we can't really complain. We've had our chances.

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Post by NeilyBroon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:03

Well f**k

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:04

Duty281 wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Can we not go back to the clear and obvious Penaud knock on????

So obvious that he stopped playing after it. The clearest indicator, yet Berry missed it.

I hate when this happens. “Moaning Scot’s blame referee for those loss” but something so clear and obvious so far up the field and his insistence on playing on has completely swung the momentum of this game
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Post by NeilyBroon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:04

Come on miracle try.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:05

Oh look. The fcuking refs managed to spot that knock on from rowe
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Post by NeilyBroon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:06

That's it now. Game over

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:09

Exciting ending

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Post by BigGee Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:09

That is down!

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:11

Jeeeeeez
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:11

That's probably a try but not sure that can be said be conclusive.

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:12

This is tense

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Post by BigGee Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:13

That is so wrong!


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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:13

Smeg it. I’m out. Done. Why bother.
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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:13

Sorry, Scotland, you've been mugged.

TMO talked Berry out of it. Clearly grounded.

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Post by NeilyBroon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:14

Heartbreaking

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Post by BigGee Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:15

We have been done there. anyone could see it was down

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:15

A game decided PURELY on the way a ref phrases a question.

And an absolutely clear and obvious french knock on which led to the french try

As they say, it’s Poopie being Scottish
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:15

Duty281 wrote:Sorry, Scotland, you've been mugged.

TMO talked Berry out of it. Clearly grounded.

No. You couldn't see the ball on the ground. Berry's on field decision did it for them. Clearly on replay everyone watching will think its probably a try but you can't give that on the video evidence ie turn over the on field decision.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:18

Duty281 wrote:Sorry, Scotland, you've been mugged.

TMO talked Berry out of it. Clearly grounded.

Harsh on Scotland but it haa to be clear

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Post by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:18

Duty281 wrote:Sorry, Scotland, you've been mugged.

TMO talked Berry out of it. Clearly grounded.

It's on the ref. On field decision (his) was no try. As soon as he said that and with no clear evidence that was it.

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Post by Pete330v2 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:18

Duty281 wrote:Sorry, Scotland, you've been mugged.

TMO talked Berry out of it. Clearly grounded.

He didn't though. Berry asked the wrong question. TMO couldn't find clear evidence, he would have to see the ball in contact with thr ground, clearly in contact. There was no footage good enough.
For the record, that was a try, Scotland you were robbed.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:19

tigertattie wrote:A game decided PURELY on the way a ref phrases a question.

And an absolutely clear and obvious french knock on which led to the french try

As they say, it’s Poopie being Scottish

Scotland really should have killed the game much earlier, France were there for the taking.

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Post by NeilyBroon Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:19

I think I'm with the ref on this, if this was pre tmo that would have been just held up. There wasn't a clear enough angle.

Tbh I think we made a rod for our own backs that second half. Much a case of should've, would've, could've. Much much better than last week but France just ground that one out with sheer belligerence. Still 3 to play. Lets see if the boys can put themselves in the race to win.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:20

sh!te way to lose a game though.

You can argue about individual moments but Scotland were not good enough in the 2nd half. France weren't much better though.

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Post by Big Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:22

So sorry for you Scotland fans. I like both teams and not bothered really who wins, but that was a rough call. I clearly saw the ball touch the ground, no idea how that wasn't given by the TMO.

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Post by geoff999rugby Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:38

I counted at least 3 terrible decisions by Berry today and that is not including the claim of a French knock on for their try - Id have to revisit that one.

Van DeMerwe was guilt of a high tackle and was offside - how he played on was beyond me
Very disappointed in Nigel Owens spouting nonsense to defend the referee.

Alldritt got injured because Berry took to long making a decision

That was a try at the end all day long.
By saying he clearly saw it held up he put the TMO in a very difficult position.
He should not have made that call

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Post by Heuer27 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:47

VDM was defo offside but the directive around high tackles has been clarified and that is not regarded as a penalty offence, this week.
There seemed to be a knock on for the French try along with Christie being held in at the scrum.
The standard of officiating is just not up to the speed and complexity of the game these days.
However they should be catching the low hanging fruit decisions.

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Post by Heuer27 Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 16:50

Aldritt was off his feet when he got injured,looked a nasty gash on his leg.
I think they need to end jackling and go back to shoving teams off the ball. And adopt the use it or lose it 5 sec policy if it’s at the back more stringently. Would also go back to as soon as a hand touches the ball it’s in play.

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Post by bsando Sat 10 Feb 2024 - 23:10

NeilyBroon wrote:I think I'm with the ref on this, if this was pre tmo that would have been just held up. There wasn't a clear enough angle.

Tbh I think we made a rod for our own backs that second half. Much a case of should've, would've, could've. Much much better than last week but France just ground that one out with sheer belligerence. Still 3 to play. Lets see if the boys can put themselves in the race to win.

Yeah it was a weird decision to not take the game to France in the second half. A home game with France playing very poorly, they were there for the taking.

I really do think Toonie has taken this team as far as he can. Both games so far Scotland have wasted good first half performances to then lose the second half. Incredibly frustrating to watch as a fan as Scotland have been so wasteful yet had the players to now be sitting on 9 or even 10 points rather than 5.

England will be a really interesting challenge for this side and having Kinghorn and Graham back will help take the pressure off Russell a bit. We have missed that spark those two can provide despite admirable performances from Paterson and Rowe. Paterson is certainly one for the future, he looked comfortable at international level but needs time to develop.

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