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Post by robbo277 on Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:33 pm

First topic message reminder :

Much changed England team named this morning. Will add USA team as I find it.

ENGLAND:
Marler, Cowan-Dickie, Cole, Launchbury, Kruis, Curry, Ludlam, Vunipola, Heinz, Ford (C), Cokanasiga, Francis, Joseph, McConnochie, Daly
Singleton, Genge, Sinckler, Lawes, Wilson, Youngs, Farrell, Watson

USA:
Ainuu, Taufetee, Lamositele, Landry, Civetta, Lamborn, Quill, Dolan, Davies, Macginty, Iosefo, Lasike, Brache, Scully, Hooley
Fawsitt, Kilifi, Mullen, Peterson, Germishuys, De Hass, Campbell, Teo


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Post by kingelderfield on Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:18 am

Ofcourse I want an english coach to replace Jones, however if none of the required standard come forward, and the Irish Saracen turns us down, I'd be happy as.....to get Joseph on board.

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Post by miaow on Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:43 am

Club coaching and test management seems to be moving further and further apart by the year. Doesn't seem unreasonable for England to go for Joseph if they want to good times to continue, looks like the real deal.

Any English coach, or English based coach, is a risk. No one leaps out. I'd leave Baxter at Exeter/stay at Exe if I were Baxter. Saracens' power is in the money, no guarantees he tranfers Sarries' success to test level.

What's Lancaster and Farrell up to these days?

Na, think you're wise letting go of Farrell. Gatland would be the ideal choice for England, but thankfully that's not happening.

Time for some new blood maybe. How many recently retired English players have gone in to frontline coaching liek Stephen Jones and O'Gara? The Brand?

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:51 am

Was just thinking What if, if, England go on and win the RWC. Would Eddie Jones be offered a new contact? or would he still be stepping down after the RWC.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:14 am

miaow, while money is a big benefit to Saracens, their success is much more than just money. They do so many things in the organisation of that club.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:15 am

majesticimperialman wrote:Was just thinking What if, if, England go on and win the RWC. Would Eddie Jones be offered a new contact? or would he still be stepping down after the RWC.

His contract is until 2021 I believe.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:29 am

I thought his contract ended after the RWC.

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Post by Poorfour on Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:53 am

Eddie’s contract is until half way through the next cycle. The idea is for him to help pick his successor and manage the transition. I think that’s potentially a good plan if they can find the right candidate.

I say potentially because that candidate needs to be exactly right: it needs to be someone who has the humility to work for Eddie, but the ambition and vision to step up to the top role after that.

They also need to be someone who has already been to the RWC, either as an assistant coach or as coach of a smaller nation. The RWC is such a different environment from anything else in world rugby that it’s hard for a coach to manage a team through it if they haven’t been there already.

Or, if England do well this time, the pressure to extend Eddie to a full second cycle will build. Whether he’s up for it is another question - but he may feel that he has unfinished business one way or another.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:11 am

Well depending on the outcome of the world cup obvious options at the moment are:jones continues, mitchell, borthwick, McCall.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:19 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Well depending on the outcome of the world cup obvious options at the moment are:jones continues, mitchell, borthwick, McCall.

Gatland, Joseph.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:23 am

Well thank goodness it's not gatland. I was pleased he ruled himself out as personally I think he falters with too large a selection of players. Joseph if be very surprised with. Guess it all depends on who applies. That's not even a piss take on a wales theme.

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Post by miaow on Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:23 am

LondonTiger wrote:miaow, while money is a big benefit to Saracens, their success is much more than just money. They do so many things in the organisation of that club.

No doubt. It's just part of my wider point that test coaching is getting more and more unlike club coaching as a job. Success isn't a guaranteed transfer. It would be like taking Ferguson/Mourinho/Guardiola/Klopp as they were dominating a domestic league and asking them to take over the national team of the country they were winning in. Saracens beat everyone off the field before they beat them on it. I don't see why he'd leave, personally, unless it's a personal ambition. Keep the machine rolling, I would have thought.

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Post by miaow on Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:25 am

Forgot about Borthwick. Seems like a Joe Schmidt type coach. He's been around, hasn't he? He had a job before Japan I think? Would potentially be a good fit, but it's a huge job. We've seen Eddie have a big wobble and get a few things very wrong, and he's got all the pedigree you could hope for. No obvious English candidate to me, but Borthwick isn't a bad shout. Might benefit from being a #2 for now though.

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Post by lostinwales on Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:40 am

Joseph is obviously a good coach. Can't forget a certain match from when he was a player. I am sure Kyran Bracken hasn't forgotten it either.

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