England v Aus - KO 14:30 Sat 17th NOV at HQ - Match Thread/Build Up etc....

[HERSH]

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Game 1: Eng v Fiji
Game 2: Eng v Aus
Game 3: Eng v SA
Game 4: Eng v NZ

England team to face Australia:

Alex Goode
Chris Ashton
Manusamoa Tuilagi
Brad Barritt
Charlie Sharples
Toby Flood
Danny Care
Joe Marler
Tom Youngs,
Dan Cole
Tom Palmer
Geoff Parling
Tom Johnson,
Chris Robshaw
Thomas Waldrom
Replacements: David Paice
David Wilson
Mako Vunipola
Joe Launchbury
Tom Wood
Ben Youngs
Owen Farrell
Mike Brown

[thebluesmancometh]

nathan

My software can't be, I might be when inputting things, or receiving data though, and I regularly am

My point is if Manu offloads at the first contact it's try time no questions asked, but I def would've pinged Manu for using his knee for double movement, another ref didn't, isn't this a familiar story!

[mbernz]

Half Time Stats

England / Australia

Possession % 52 / 48
Rucks & mauls 42 / 47
Line Breaks 1/ 3
Tackles 49 / 44
Missed Tackles 7 / 5
Scrum Wins 3(0) / 2(1)
Line Out Wins 3/0 / 5/0

Haven't Oz lost a couple lineouts? We need to sort out our missed tackles.

Yeah, I'm not so sure about those stats, don't match what I've seen. ESPN have something a bit different:

England Australia
1 Tries 1
0 from 1 Conversion goals 0 from 1
3 from 3 Penalty goals 1 from 1
75.0% Kick at goal success 50.0%
0 Dropped goals 1
Kick/pass/run
13 Kicks from hand 12
81 Passes 73
54 Runs 64
174 Metres run with ball 214
Attacking
49% Possession 51%
47% Territory 53%
0 Clean breaks 3
1 Defenders beaten 8
2 Offloads 5
45 from 47 (95.7%) Rucks won 48 from 52 (92.3%)
0 from 0 Mauls won 1 from 1 (100.0%)
4 Turnovers conceded 8
Defensive
64/8 Tackles made/missed 55/1
88.9% Tackling success rate 98.2%
Set pieces
4 won, 2 lost (66.7%) Scrums on own feed 2 won, 0 lost (100.0%)
3 won, 0 lost (100.0%) Lineouts on own throw 5 won, 3 lost (62.5%)
Discipline
4 Penalties conceded 4
0/0 Yellow/red cards 0/0

[Pal Joey]

That's certainly more comprehensive...

[EngInAuck]

Is it me or is Sharples wing been a defensive liability ..

[nathan]

nathan

My software can't be, I might be when inputting things, or receiving data though, and I regularly am

My point is if Manu offloads at the first contact it's try time no questions asked, but I def would'veC pinged Manu for using his knee for double movement, another ref didn't, isn't this a familiar story!

As a programmer myself I'm all too we'll know about bugs in software!

[thebluesmancometh]

Eng

It is but I don't think thats much to do with Sharples.

[EngInAuck]

Eng

It is but I don't think thats much to do with Sharples.

He always seems to go for the tackle when IMO he should drift out and let his inside man make the tackle

[thebluesmancometh]

bugs?? This thing has rodents most of the time

How is that not an England pen, knock on aus and slapped back by an Aus player in front!!

[thebluesmancometh]

Eng

I don't think it's his fault if the inside man isn't trust worthy, if the wing has to make a decision the 13 has failed IMO. Sharples is exploited only when the defencive system has let him down.

[thebluesmancometh]

What are England doing??? No line speed and little pressure at the breakdown, if your going to get on the wrong side do it so your not so obvious!!

[thebluesmancometh]

Wood is a very good substitute, not sure about taking Marler off.

[nathan]

What are England doing??? No line speed and little pressure at the breakdown, if your going to get on the wrong side do it so your not so obvious!!

I have no idea!

[nathan]

We're kicking too much, there off loading is killing us

[thebluesmancometh]

Sharples is being made to look like a bit of a plank at the minute, Tuilagi is nowhere to be seen!!!

I can't beleive England aren't dominating the posession!!

We are seeing the best and worst of Care and Robshaw here too

[tatterd]

brilliant example of playing what's in front of you by beale. England defence rushing up very quickly so he just dinks it over - excellent vision

[George Carlin]

Wassa score?

[mbernz]

Looking okay, wish we had Haskell on the bench to give more physicality

Haskell has been pretty average this season, I don't think he would have added anything of note. He got sent back to his club after training for good reason in my opinion.

Aussies with their tails and abilities up compared to last week, they've looked the better team so far, England need to up the ante and intelligence.

[BamBam]

Bloomin eck Vunipola

[nathan]

A lot lot better by England there, subs making an impact

[Pal Joey]

Wassa score?

20-14 Australia. Desperate defence on the line there to keep Ashton out.

[George Carlin]

Wassa score?

20-14 Australia. Desperate defence on the line there to keep Ashton out.

[thebluesmancometh]

Wood first bit of real pressue there

[mbernz]

Tuilagi really should have given that ball to Ashton out wide at the beginning of that break.

[nathan]

Should been a yellow!

[thebluesmancometh]

yellow coming!!!

[Pal Joey]

No way, he had no control whatsoever.

[thebluesmancometh]

50/50 call for the try!!!

I say try, arms touching the ball while in contact with the ground, but prob given no try

[Pal Joey]

knock on mate.

[thebluesmancometh]

no chance, aus player lied all over the players there and wrapped himself up, even when knee is on the floor he's still wrestling for the ball.

[nathan]

No way, he had no control whatsoever.

Lol, it was a knock on but how long has it been since you just needed downward pressure?

[thebluesmancometh]

Forward pass NO CHANCE!!!

[Pal Joey]

No way, he had no control whatsoever.

Lol, it was a knock on but how long has it been since you just needed downward pressure?

Yeah, they'd give that in the NRL.

[maestegmafia]

Forward pass NO CHANCE!!!

You are as passionate an England fans as you are passionately against everything welsh..!

[thebluesmancometh]

MM

No I am a passionate rugby supporter, yes I want England to win, but I care little for the club game or state of the game there!!!

By the way it wasn't a forward pass!

[tatterd]

sporting twickers crowd....................

[kiakahaaotearoa]

Just tuned in after the Italy match. Looks like Australia have made the mullet comment on the bbc page ill-advised (short up front and party at the back). Seems like Australia have dominated at scrum time and in the forwards.

What are the thoughts on the English strip? Why are they not in their traditional white? Not a fan of this purple to be honest.

[mbernz]

Had to take the points there.

[Pal Joey]

Cliffy reefs it out a meter out. Legend!

[tatterd]

great oz defence

[nathan]

sporting twickers crowd....................

Shut up, perhaps they want to watch rugby, no sit waiting for a simple decision....

[Morgannwg]

What would be the excuse for a loss? cabbageandbrussels dubbed this as 'an England team of babies' so I assume that would be it?

[thebluesmancometh]

As most SH games so far Aus have done the job at the breakdown, quick clean ball for Aus horrible fighting for it for Care/Youngs!!!!

[nathan]

What would be the excuse for a loss? cabbageandbrussels dubbed this as 'an England team of babies' so I assume that would be it?

Errrr its Australia, not Samoa?

[KickAndChase]

Why are England wearing the same colour me sis wears?

[Morgannwg]

What would be the excuse for a loss? cabbageandbrussels dubbed this as 'an England team of babies' so I assume that would be it?

Errrr its Australia, not Samoa?

I'm not following you.

[nathan]

Why are England wearing the same colour me sis wears?

I have no idea, I'm not a fan!

[thebluesmancometh]

leave the garbage out boys, lets just focus on the game

[kiakahaaotearoa]

Some of you should take this lovefest to this site: https://www.606v2.com/t37287-the-wales-england-friends-thread.

[tatterd]

sporting twickers crowd....................

Shut up, perhaps they want to watch rugby, no sit waiting for a simple decision....

Mature response from a typical idiotic Leicester supporter. Suppose I couldn't expect much better.

[KickAndChase]

Just to clarify I'd like England to win this But I'm not sure anyone was speaking to me

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