Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread Part 3

[Derbyblue]

First topic message reminder :

Eagles traded Dion Lewis to Cleveland for Emmanuel Acho. Decent backup Lewis, just not as good as Brown.

Basically depth for depth, though I did think we were fine at RB with Richardson, Hardesty and Ogbonnaya but Acho wouldn't have fit the new 3-4 scheme so can't really complain about the deal too much and maybe one of those back ups gets sent off in a trade somewhere during the draft.

[CFCNick]

Anyone watching NFL Network? They're airing the arraignment live.

[CFCNick]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
The official charge for #Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez from the Bristol County DA: Murder

And the more important carrying a firearm without a licence.

[Thomond]

Among 6 other charges.

Live link here: http://www.csnne.com/page/live-video

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

What a waste of a life, and of talent.

[sodhat]

Sheesh.

What a fool. He had a lucrative career, bright future, and he's binned it all. What the hell could it have been over?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Words cannot describe how much of an idiot that man is

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk
Prosecutor: Shell casing was found in the car Hernandez rented. It matched the casings found at the scene. #itsover

Yeah we seen the last of him on a football field

[sodhat]

Prosecutor: Police have #Hernandez on tape with firearm and saying "you can't trust anyone anymore" before picking up Lloyd.

Some good info coming out from Wesley Lowery on Twitter.

[BamBam]

Wesley Lowery ‏@WesleyLowery 9m

To be clear: DA's saying #hernandez shot Lloyd three times right after Lloyd got out of the car. Then stood over him & put two in his chest.

What a scumbag. This isn't even just a kid caught up in someone else's mess, these are the actions of a ruthless criminal

[crazy_dave23]

Its just very very strange.

What a way to throw your own life away and ruin that of another family.

[Dorothy_Mantooth]

Lloyd wasn't murdered he was executed.

Respect to the Kraft family for dealing with this as best they could. Pats took a chance on a kid who had late first/early second ability but slipped to the 4th for a reason.

Don't think those teams who ran a mile from him had this end game in mind, but its been a very costly pick for New England and those who ran a mile when doing pre-draft checks have been proven correct.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
By releasing Aaron Hernandez today, Patriots have waived all rights to recoup bonus money or salary through the CBA.

[cherriesfna]

Low life scum bag, credit for the Pats for dealing with appropriately

Lock that scum bag up for life

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 4h
As for the on-field ramifications: Patriots reg-sea off DVOA last year with Hernandez: 24.0%. Without Hernandez: 42.4%. I'm surprised too.

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 4h
Pats were 5-1 without Hernandez last year, beating DEN, IND, BUF twice, and STL, losing to BAL by 1 pt. Avg: 42.3 points.

Weird stats there, especially the last one. Just proves that Gronk really is the difference maker, but Hernandez will be a loss on the field for sure.

If Amendola doesn't work out Brady might as well QB sneak every down

[CFCNick]

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 4h
As for the on-field ramifications: Patriots reg-sea off DVOA last year with Hernandez: 24.0%. Without Hernandez: 42.4%. I'm surprised too.

Aaron Schatz ‏@FO_ASchatz 4h
Pats were 5-1 without Hernandez last year, beating DEN, IND, BUF twice, and STL, losing to BAL by 1 pt. Avg: 42.3 points.

Weird stats there, especially the last one. Just proves that Gronk really is the difference maker, but Hernandez will be a loss on the field for sure.

If Amendola doesn't work out Brady might as well QB sneak every down

Forget Brady. It's Tebow (and Gostkowski) time.

[GSC]

Patriots will in all likelihood be down around 220 catches, 2500 yards and 22 TDs from their 2012 output on opening day. Bradys still there, and the AFC East is still a walkover but that has to hurt.

[sodhat]

I'd have an outside bet on the Dolphins being thereabouts this year - or at least better.

With a month or so to preseason I suppose it's almost time for the divisional polls to go up?

[NYJ]

Patriots will in all likelihood be down around 220 catches, 2500 yards and 22 TDs from their 2012 output on opening day. Bradys still there, and the AFC East is still a walkover but that has to hurt.

AFC East is no walkover. Dolphins are going to be a decent team. I can't see any big holes on their roster. Bills have a mean as hell front 4 with Dareus and the two Williams to get pressure on Brady. He doesn't like pressure, particularly right in his face where the strength of that D is, IMO. On offense, they are building a dynamic offense that may take time to eork, but CJ Spiller is one of the most exiting players in the league. Jets have a top 5 Defense, and again our strength will be inside pressure which Brady doesn't like.

[Thomond]

Jets have a top 5 defence? I wouldn't be too sure about that. Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago, Denver and Houston would probably say something about that. They have made a lot of improvements for sure but they aren't making my top 5 in points per game any way. (Yards they might have a shot as they did decent enough there last year, but that is not the stat people should look at it in my opinion)

I think to have a top 5 defence, you would have a stud who every team would want. I don't know if the Jets have a guy like that

[GSC]

And yet NE will win it at a canter again in all likelihood

[GSC]

Last guy to tackle Hernandez was Pollard

[CFCNick]

Jets have a top 5 defence? I wouldn't be too sure about that. Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago, Denver and Houston would probably say something about that. They have made a lot of improvements for sure but they aren't making my top 5 in points per game any way. (Yards they might have a shot as they did decent enough there last year, but that is not the stat people should look at it in my opinion)

I think to have a top 5 defence, you would have a stud who every team would want. I don't know if the Jets have a guy like that

Here's an example of how useless the yards allowed game stat is. In 2011 the Packers (4796) and Patriots (4704) had the worst pass defences by way of passing yards allowed in NFL history. Green Bay went 15-1 and the Patriots were AFC Champions. Their records combined makes 28-4.

[Thomond]

It's not even that, you get teams like the Patritos who give up way more yards as they will have a two score lead and teams are forced to fling it. Points allowed is the best way to judge a defence.

[NYJ]

But the PPG stat is also skewed by turnovers on offense, which we've had a lot of. Total defense is the stat you need. I'd put my house on us at least being a top 10 defense. Rex is calling plays plus we're younger and faster. Cromartie and Wilkerson are two players most Defenses would love to have. We have two first round picks and Coples and Demario Davis should take big leaps as they take on starter roles.

There was an article by Bucky Brooks recently that showed the importance if Rex calling plays. I'm on my phone so can't link it right now but he was absolutely right.

[Lowlandbrit]

Looks like Patriots/NFL don't want anything to do with Hernandez judging by his official profile.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

So Josh Brent fails another drugs test, clearly killing someone hasn't affected his life.

Yet he's still a Cowboy

[GSC]

Aaron Hernandez now under investigation for a double murder last year. Link is Lloyd possibly threatening to rat him out.

Safe to say we've seen the last of Aaron Hernandez in the NFL.

[sodhat]

Looks like they've got a tight end for the next time they remake The Longest Yard, at least.

[GSC]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/tim-tebows-former-teammate-charged-with-murder,32976/

[Derbyblue]

I'd have an outside bet on the Dolphins being thereabouts this year - or at least better.

With a month or so to preseason I suppose it's almost time for the divisional polls to go up?

You're right they'll probably start going up in the next couple of weeks, though I'm going to see if I can write divisional previews for the journal to accompany them.

Crazy stuff going on with Hernandez, always find it strange how many players are willing to throw away their incredibly lucrative NFL careers.

Not been pointed out on here but Pariots are exchanging Hernandez jersey's for free if it was bought from their shops.

[crazy_dave23]

So... how about that drama this week so far then...

[cherriesfna]

Well. The pats have a new logo, looks to basebally IMO

[mikeygnfl]

It's almost back...

Under one month away from pre-season and two months away from the NFL proper.

[crazy_dave23]

We have real news!!!!!!!!

Victor Cruz has been extended... six-year contract worth $45.879 million total

[Guest]

@nfl: Stafford, Lions finalizing $53M extension, per @AlbertBreer: http://t.co/RUc51OSsVY

[mikeygnfl]

The Supplementary Draft takes place today (Thursday) and there are six possible picks:-

James Boyd, Defensive End, UNLV
Nate Holloway, Defensive Tackle, UNLV
Toby Jackson, Defensive End, Central Florida
Dewayne Peace, Wide Receiver, Houston
O.J. Ross, Wide Receiver, Purdue
Damond Smith, Cornerback, South Alabama

There is an amusing mock draft article here from the NFL website. Terrelle Pryor and Josh Gordon have been picked up in the last two years and Dewayne Peace and OJ Ross could be the most likely picks this year with possibly the Patriots and the 49ers looking to bolster there receiving corps.

[sodhat]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/nfl-owner-shahid-khan-believed-to-be-in-talks-with-mohamed-al-fayed-over-sale-of-fulham-8701179.html

Interesting story, sure to stir up more Jags-to-London news.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Seems the Pats are intent on becoming the Raiders.

Dennard arrested for DUI. Pleb

[crazy_dave23]

Belichick must be having a great time on vaccation

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

His press conferences at training camp are going to be something special

[crazy_dave23]

The Supplementary Draft takes place today (Thursday) and there are six possible picks:-

James Boyd, Defensive End, UNLV
Nate Holloway, Defensive Tackle, UNLV
Toby Jackson, Defensive End, Central Florida
Dewayne Peace, Wide Receiver, Houston
O.J. Ross, Wide Receiver, Purdue
Damond Smith, Cornerback, South Alabama

There is an amusing mock draft article here from the NFL website. Terrelle Pryor and Josh Gordon have been picked up in the last two years and Dewayne Peace and OJ Ross could be the most likely picks this year with possibly the Patriots and the 49ers looking to bolster there receiving corps.

Good quote on the supplemental draft...

We'd also like to congratulate our supplemental draft expert Henry Hodgson for nailing 223 of 224 spots in his Supplemental Mock Draft. Top that, Mayock.

[CFCNick]

Imagine if the Pats were on Hard Knocks. That'd be amazing.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Aaron Hernandez will be trying to hire George Zimmerman's lawyers

[sodhat]

This offseason could be summed up in three words:

Hats and Hernandez.

Maybe once they start playing people will have a bit less time to do stupid things.

[Guest]

Seems the Pats are intent on becoming the Raiders.

Dennard arrested for DUI. Pleb

ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US  

[Bull]

DA BEARS ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL !

[GSC]

Well Cutler should be free around February or so

[GSC]

Apparently Mark Sanchez would have had a higher QB rating over his last 4 games if he threw every pass into the ground

[Pr4wn]

Jahvid Best has finally been released by Detroit.

Connor Barth has torn his Achilles' tendon so he'll be missing the entire season. Luckily, Lawrence Tynes was free, so the Bucs have picked him up. Very handy.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Seems the Pats are intent on becoming the Raiders.

Dennard arrested for DUI. Pleb

ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US  

I'm kinda resigned to Brady getting injured week 1, Mallett sucking for 4 weeks, and then TEBOW-TIME BABAY

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