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Post by GSC Wed 19 Jun 2013, 1:36 pm

First topic message reminder :

Jimmy ends up with 2 wickets for his troubles and Broad leads England with 3.

Its a funny game.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 22 Jun 2013, 11:37 pm

Agree GSC it's been a very good tournament, however it seems as if it will end up in an anti-climax.

Lots of showers and heavy rain in the afternoon is the forecast for tomorrow
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 22 Jun 2013, 11:38 pm

But it will be windy, so I guess if we avoid prolonged heavy rain, the showers will pass by sharpish
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 4:01 am

Fists of Fury wrote:India do look very strong. I'll be hoping for some swing and some seam, similar to yesterday and today. I think the English top order is probably more suited to such conditions. Flat pitch and India win comfortably.

Fist Please give us some of the updates of the weather that would be there at Birmingham today. Whether we will get a full match or there would be some disturbance because of rain.
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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:01 am

Keeping fingers firmly crossed on the weather front. Some cricket is better than no cricket, but anything less than a full match will be a massive shame for the 2 teams and for the tournament.

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Post by Shelsey93 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:16 am

There will definitely be some rain but my gut feeling is we might get lucky today. Showers will blow through and with it being a final and all that I think the umpires will be positive and not worry too much about wet outfields and the like.

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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:23 am

Shelsey93 wrote:There will definitely be some rain but my gut feeling is we might get lucky today. Showers will blow through and with it being a final and all that I think the umpires will be positive and not worry too much about wet outfields and the like.
Lets hope so, shelsey.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 9:47 am

Massive toss to win. Whoever fields first will win I feel. Fingers crossed that the weather will be fine.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:00 am

YES WE WIN THE TOSS!!!!!
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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:03 am

England bowling first. Bressy in for Finn. Superb chance for England.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:03 am

Bresnan back in for Finn. He did bowl well here against the Aussies. He will need to again today
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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:21 am

Alastair Cook has won a very crucial toss on a cloudy morning. There are chances of the weather getting involved, and in such circumstances bowling first comes with a great deal of advantage.
India are unchanged, while England have dropped Steven Finn for Tim Bresnan.
The Indian openers have to do really very well to keep Anderson and company away in the early overs.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:23 am

England to win by 4 wickets and Jos Buttler to get Man of the Match is my prediction
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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:25 am

How are we winning by 4 wickets when we bowl first?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:27 am

Because that's how cricket works...
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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:28 am

And you can tell I just woke up Laugh
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:34 am

Bres for Finn?  What? Why?


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Post by alfie Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:35 am

Switched on...delighted to see the toss made and anthems sung...and then out come the covers Sad

Any hope of seeing a match today ?

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:42 am

SO I SET MY BLUDDY ALARM, IM HUNGOVER AND THERE'S NO CRICKET ON

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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Post by alfie Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:44 am

trebellbobaggins wrote:Bres for Finn?  What?

Not surprised , tbh. Finn didn't tear down any trees on Wednesday , and Bresnan bowled well here in the group game. They like his reversing skills...I actually think either might do a great job - or not ! They had to make a choice and I vowed not to complain whichever way they went : will stick to that.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:55 am

Yeah I can't complain about Bresnan for Finn. Finn didnt really impress much in the semi final and Bresnan bowled well here before
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 11:01 am

Shame to see a section of the crowd booing the hosts.  Not nice.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 11:02 am

Fair point on Bres I suppose.  He can get some swing. Though these white balls don't seem to get much.

He's just more expensive and facing big hitters, that's more my worry.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 11:12 am

http://uk.weather.com/weather/hourByHour-UKXX0018:1:UK

Weather clearing up from 12:45 onwards. Looks decent for the rest of the day then.

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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 11:23 am

alfie wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:Bres for Finn?  What?

Not surprised , tbh. Finn didn't tear down any trees on Wednesday , and Bresnan bowled well here in the group game.  They like his reversing skills...I actually think either might do a great job - or not ! They had to make a choice and I vowed not to complain whichever way they went : will stick to that.

I have been very critical of the treatment meted out to Steven Finn and I am not changing my views here either. Its not without reasons that he has become the 2nd ranked ODI bowler in the world. Agreed Finn wasn't at his est in the semi final against South Africa though he provided the massive wicket of Hashim Amla very early. But Bresnan was atrocious against New Zealand, and he was poor against Sri Lanka as well.
Anyways, none of it seems to matter today, the day seems to belong to the bloody weather.

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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 11:27 am

On a different note, Australia and South Africa had played a few indoor games in the last decade didn't they? What has happened to the concept since then? Could be particularly handy in England!.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 11:44 am

Will the tournament be decided by an indoor bowl off? Laugh

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Post by KP_fan Sun 23 Jun 2013, 11:53 am

so far rain has played a role in shortening the game....we don't know by how much....but Eng are better placed by winning the toss and knowing their target.
It's shocking that they left out the best fast bowlers in the world after Steyn.....and will pay a heavy price for it.
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Post by dyrewolfe Sun 23 Jun 2013, 11:53 am

NickisBHAFC wrote:Will the tournament be decided by an indoor bowl off? Laugh

Or possibly a game of indoor cricket, using soft balls and springy stumps. Wink
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:02 pm

KP_fan wrote:so far rain has played a role in shortening the game....we don't know by how much....but Eng are better placed by winning the toss and knowing their target.
It's shocking that they left out the best fast bowlers in the world after Steyn.....and will pay a heavy price for it.

Anderson is playing no?
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Post by KP_fan Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:14 pm

Olly wrote:
KP_fan wrote:so far rain has played a role in shortening the game....we don't know by how much....but Eng are better placed by winning the toss and knowing their target.
It's shocking that they left out the best fast bowlers in the world after Steyn.....and will pay a heavy price for it.

Anderson is playing no?

Anderson is a fast bowler Shocked
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:20 pm

Well he's hardly a spinner
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Post by KP_fan Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:22 pm

Olly wrote:Well he's hardly a spinner

between fast and spin...there is Medium, MF, FM
he is at best FM
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Post by dyrewolfe Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:23 pm

Alas, nobody is actually "playing" and judging from the latest weather reports, its doubtful whether there'll be any play today.

Looks like England and India will be sharing the trophy.
Early lunch called and another pitch inspection "when conditions permit". Sad
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:23 pm

Anderson is pretty quick tbf.

Anyway Finn is good, but he's too inconsistent to be considered one of the best at the moment
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:26 pm

Not looking good at all for play today.

Still can't believe they didn't book reserve days for the knockouts
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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:35 pm

Olly wrote:Anderson is pretty quick tbf.

Anyway Finn is good, but he's too inconsistent to be considered one of the best at the moment

Finn might go for a few runs now and then, but he's a wicket taker. Bresnan hasn't done too well at the economy rate front, in fact Finn has a much better economy rate. They say Bresnan gets the ball to reverse. There is not much swing available with the ball they are playing in this tournament, and even England haven't managed to get it going consistently in any other game other than the Australia one. Don't think Reverse will be too much of a factor, and in fact Finn did manage to move the old ball in India before. Better strike rate, better economy, better pace, yet Finn's dropped for Bresnan.

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:36 pm

As much as we all pile on Bresnan, Finn really didnt bowl very well against SA in conditions that suited him. At Edgbaston, conditions maybe more suited to Bresnan.
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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:38 pm

Cricinfo doesn't hold much hope for today. It still is raining, and there should be more of it for the day. What a cricketing disaster for the tournament after a largely interesting path to the final. The ICC are yet again made to look like what they are, good for nothing idiots!.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:39 pm

Yeah I can't complain about Bresnan back in for Finn today. Finn didn't perform great against SA, and Bresnan is a more than capable performer
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Post by Gerry SA Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:52 pm

The Indians must be thinking they're cursed with the ICC Knockout/Champions Trophy. 

They reached the final of the ICC Knockout 2000 and lost to a fantastic Chris Cairns 100. 

Reached the final of the 2002 Champions Trophy and they shared the trophy with Sri Lanka after the two finals where rained off. 

Now 2013 and rain again.

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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:55 pm

Olly wrote:Yeah I can't complain about Bresnan back in for Finn today. Finn didn't perform great against SA, and Bresnan is a more than capable performer

Again, Finn may not have had a terrific day against the South Africans. But then how did Bresnan perform against New Zealand and Sri Lanka?

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Post by GSC Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:56 pm

Basically we should drop both
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:59 pm

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 1:56 pm

http://uk.weather.com/weather/hourByHour-UKXX0018:1:UK

This forecast is near-enough perfect. Got until 4:18 to start a T20.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:03 pm

I was about to ask when.  Thanks Duty.

so we might get a bosh?

India should enjoy it, the IPL was perfect practice.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:27 pm

Pitch inspection at 3 as long as there's no further rain. Hope?

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Post by msp83 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:32 pm

Duty281 wrote:Pitch inspection at 3 as long as there's no further rain. Hope?

The cricinfo updates suggests there is nothing much to hope about, there would be a few intervals between spells of rain, but that's what they are, just intervals. Disgusting weather.

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Post by LivinginItaly Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:32 pm

It will probably start raining again at about 2.59 just as the umpires are making their way out for the pitch inspection.  Does this count as our first one day international tournament win?

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Post by Duty281 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:33 pm

LivinginItaly wrote:It will probably start raining again at about 2.59 just as the umpires are making their way out for the pitch inspection.  Does this count as our first one day international tournament win?

Yeah why not! Yahoo

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Post by KP_fan Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:56 pm

msp83 wrote:Cricinfo doesn't hold much hope for today. It still is raining, and there should be more of it for the day. What a cricketing disaster for the tournament after a largely interesting path to the final. The ICC are yet again made to look like what they are, good for nothing idiots!.

it's a 25 over a side game.
why even 25 overs...just do a T20...it will have some allwance of absorbing one or two small showers
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