Ireland V Australia

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ME-109 wrote:All water under the bridge now....Aus up next which will be interesting...someone start a thread

How hard was that..........

I'm not against Murray in the role...but he still needs to pull up those concentration socks.  He often gets caught out chatting to the neighbours as the oppostion push through to his ...balls.

He needs to kick that All the time in World lethargy guise out of his system and get into high concentration International mode.  Speed and alertness at all times.  
I'm watching you Murray!!!

littlejohn wrote:Thornley's team is as follows:

IRELAND (possible): R Kearney; Bowe, O’Driscoll, Marshall, McFadden; Sexton, Reddan; Healy, Best, Ross, O’Connell (capt), Toner, O’Mahony, O’Brien, Heaslip. Replacements: Cronin, McGrath, McCarthy, McLaughlin, Murray, Madigan, D Kearney or Henshaw

Not too shabby a lineup!

Looks good to me. Touhy unlucky again but generally square pegs in square holes.

That looks like the right line-up for me. Been very impressed with POM this season - he's developed hugely in the last 12 months.

Very much backing Ireland here.

*gulp* Don't. We like not having a chance before we try to win. Being backed makes us nervous......

When is the Ireland team announced, anybody?

SecretFly wrote:I'm not against Murray in the role...but he still needs to pull up those concentration socks.  He often gets caught out chatting to the neighbours as the oppostion push through to his ...balls.

He needs to kick that All the time in World lethargy guise out of his system and get into high concentration International mode.  Speed and alertness at all times.  
I'm watching you Murray!!!

At least Murray's passes are accurate and generally not at sexton's boot laces or behind Tommy Bowe's ear, or straight into Israel Folau's paws.

Artful_Dodger wrote:When is the Ireland team announced, anybody?

1.35.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/ireland/live_streaming.php

Sin é wrote:

SecretFly wrote:I'm not against Murray in the role...but he still needs to pull up those concentration socks.  He often gets caught out chatting to the neighbours as the oppostion push through to his ...balls.

He needs to kick that All the time in World lethargy guise out of his system and get into high concentration International mode.  Speed and alertness at all times.  
I'm watching you Murray!!!

At least Murray's passes are accurate and generally not at sexton's boot laces or behind Tommy Bowe's ear, or straight into Israel Folau's paws.

Hmmm...but you do acknowledge my point then?

SecretFly wrote:

Sin é wrote:

SecretFly wrote:I'm not against Murray in the role...but he still needs to pull up those concentration socks.  He often gets caught out chatting to the neighbours as the oppostion push through to his ...balls.

He needs to kick that All the time in World lethargy guise out of his system and get into high concentration International mode.  Speed and alertness at all times.  
I'm watching you Murray!!!

At least Murray's passes are accurate and generally not at sexton's boot laces or behind Tommy Bowe's ear, or straight into Israel Folau's paws.

Hmmm...but you do acknowledge my point then?  

He looked pretty sharp for the Lions. He is still very young & inexperienced (Reddan should know better), so how about nurturing his talent?

Will Genia will be licking his lips...

1 - Healy
2 - Best
3 - Ross
4 - Toner
5 - O'Connell
6 - O'Mahony
7 - O'Brien
8 - Heaslip

9 - Reddan
10 - Sexton
11 - McFadden
12 - Marshall
13 - O'Driscoll
14 - Bowe
15 - R.Kearney

Interesting that Reddan starts.  

16 - Cronin
17 - McGrath
18 - Archer
19 - McCarthy 
20 - McLaughlin
21 - Murray 
22 - Magigan
23 - Henshaw

Henshaw moves up to the bench as well.

Church, Best, Ross, POC, Toner, POM, SOB, Heaslip, Reddan, Sexton, FmF, Marshall, BOD, Bowe R Kearney
Cronin, McGrath, Archer, McCarthy, McLauglin, Murray, Mads, Henshaw

All the big guns back, with Marshall and Reddan to start. Madigan on the bench to cover more positions.

Archer, McLaughlin and Henshaw on the bench!

Reddan starting wtf???????? Average and limited this does not make sense - schmidt showing his true form now. If this is the way he is going to operate he can keep it

Let's all start praying now that Ross can last the whole match.

All in all it's a good starting 15. Not a lot of experience to come off the bench, let's hope that doesn't come back to bite us.

BlueMuff wrote:Reddan starting wtf???????? Average and limited this does not make sense - schmidt showing his true form now. If this is the way he is going to operate he can keep it

What?

BlueMuff wrote:Reddan starting wtf???????? Average and limited this does not make sense - schmidt showing his true form now. If this is the way he is going to operate he can keep it

Bring back ROG!!!

Really happy with the team I have to say. Would prefer Tuohy in for Toner but that is about it I think.

Pretty excited for it. There will be a lot of pressure on Reddan to perform I think, when he and Sexton have performed well they are class.

Just listening back to the team announcement, Joe says it's not so much Darcy/Murray/McCarthy and others losing their places so much as rotation.

BlueMuff wrote:Reddan starting wtf???????? Average and limited this does not make sense - schmidt showing his true form now. If this is the way he is going to operate he can keep it

Can't believe he didn't pick Jonathan Davies either  

BlueMuff wrote:Reddan starting wtf???????? Average and limited this does not make sense - schmidt showing his true form now. If this is the way he is going to operate he can keep it

All the tries v Samoa were scored when Reddan came on because he has something that Murray never will: second and even third gear.

ME-109 wrote:Will Genia will be licking his lips...

because POM is starting instead of Ferris? Im sure he will find POM less a threat that Ferris alright.

Sin é wrote:At least Murray's passes are accurate and generally not at sexton's boot laces or behind Tommy Bowe's ear, or straight into Israel Folau's paws.

Mike Ross could pass as accurate as Murray if you give the same time Murray takes to pass the ball.

Selection of Reddan with Sexton indicates a high tempo Leinsteresque gameplan. Murray would probably be a better choice to contain Genia but I'm glad we're looking to play our own game rather than worry about them.
Having said that I do worry about Ferg up against Folau especially if they give him a few high balls to compete for. All in all a very strong side with a nod to the future at 12, 18 and 23. I think Murray will be very effective coming off the bench and it's good to see the panel being used effectively.
Dave Kearney must really be scratching his head though.

Ah the excuses are starting already. Look if Redden is the way forward then we might as well bring back Kidney. In fact holy Joe sounded exactly like him except for the fush n chups accent. Even if he took a punt with Marmion then I would at least think he is looking forward.

I will say if Schmidt thinks Redden is the man for the job then I can go with that...however if you are going to drop the incumbent for someone like Redden I hope the game goes according to plan...

I like Dave Kearney just where he is. The right way to slide him in. Don't put undue pressure on but just let him have a second half period again and see what cooks.

Selecting a tried and tested (and very successful) halfback partnership against another tried and tested halfback partnership.

Good decision, I think.

Submachine wrote:Selection of Reddan with Sexton indicates a high tempo Leinsteresque gameplan. Murray would probably be a better choice to contain Genia but I'm glad we're looking to play our own game rather than worry about them.
Having said that I do worry about Ferg up against Folau especially if they give him a few high balls to compete for. All in all a very strong side with a nod to the future at 12, 18 and 23. I think Murray will be very effective coming off the bench and it's good to see the panel being used effectively.
Dave Kearney must really be scratching his head though.

I dont think D Kearney can complain. He did very well to score two tries last week and is very useful but not at Bowe and McF's level yet. He is doing well to get game time v samoa and bench time v Aus.

ME-109 wrote:Ah the excuses are starting already. Look if Redden is the way forward then we might as well bring back Kidney. In fact holy Joe sounded exactly like him except for the fush n chups accent. Even if he took a punt with Marmion then I would at least think he is looking forward.

I will say if Schmidt thinks Redden is the man for the job then I can go with that...however if you are going to drop the incumbent for someone like Redden I hope the game goes according to plan...

O'Connell, Healy and O'Brien were subs last week? Is that always a snub sub, those benches? Maybe it's become the new tour of duty for the players who really make a difference to the game. It certainly was last week.

Take pride in the bench I say to players because you can also make a name for yourself from them.

SecretFly wrote:I like Dave Kearney just where he is.  The right way to slide him in.  Don't put undue pressure on but just let him have a second half period again and see what cooks.

He isn't in the 23, Fly.  Henshaw has replaced him.

GunsGerms wrote:

Submachine wrote:Selection of Reddan with Sexton indicates a high tempo Leinsteresque gameplan. Murray would probably be a better choice to contain Genia but I'm glad we're looking to play our own game rather than worry about them.
Having said that I do worry about Ferg up against Folau especially if they give him a few high balls to compete for. All in all a very strong side with a nod to the future at 12, 18 and 23. I think Murray will be very effective coming off the bench and it's good to see the panel being used effectively.
Dave Kearney must really be scratching his head though.

I dont think D Kearney can complain. He did very well to score two tries last week and is very useful but not at Bowe and McF's level yet. He is doing well to get game time v samoa and bench time v Aus.

Oh I think he's on a nice road to a nice potential future - but I agree, the bench is no insult.....yet.

GunsGerms wrote:

Submachine wrote:Selection of Reddan with Sexton indicates a high tempo Leinsteresque gameplan. Murray would probably be a better choice to contain Genia but I'm glad we're looking to play our own game rather than worry about them.
Having said that I do worry about Ferg up against Folau especially if they give him a few high balls to compete for. All in all a very strong side with a nod to the future at 12, 18 and 23. I think Murray will be very effective coming off the bench and it's good to see the panel being used effectively.
Dave Kearney must really be scratching his head though.

I dont think D Kearney can complain. He did very well to score two tries last week and is very useful but not at Bowe and McF's level yet. He is doing well to get game time v samoa and bench time v Aus.

He's got, stand, couch or pub time v Australia.

ME-109 wrote:Ah the excuses are starting already. Look if Redden is the way forward then we might as well bring back Kidney.

That is a contradiction given that Kidney elected to select crazy hands TOL and then Murray or any other square peg he could find to partner Sexton before considering Reddan to be worth a punt. Baffling. Murray might be a better player right now but Reddan is a better fit for this game.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

SecretFly wrote:I like Dave Kearney just where he is.  The right way to slide him in.  Don't put undue pressure on but just let him have a second half period again and see what cooks.

He isn't in the 23, Fly.  Henshaw has replaced him.

oops...Kearney isn't there?????  I was sure I saw him.  Or maybe that was Thornley's earlier list.  Bad show Schmidt!

Submachine wrote:quote]He's got, stand, couch or pub time v Australia.

OK missed that. In all fairness though I think positive rotation is good.

SecretFly wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

SecretFly wrote:I like Dave Kearney just where he is.  The right way to slide him in.  Don't put undue pressure on but just let him have a second half period again and see what cooks.

He isn't in the 23, Fly.  Henshaw has replaced him.

oops...Murray isn't there?????  I was sure I saw him.  Or maybe that was Thornley's earlier list.  Bad show Schmidt!

Murray??? Boozy lunch boys?

Submachine wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

SecretFly wrote:I like Dave Kearney just where he is.  The right way to slide him in.  Don't put undue pressure on but just let him have a second half period again and see what cooks.

He isn't in the 23, Fly.  Henshaw has replaced him.

oops...Murray isn't there?????  I was sure I saw him.  Or maybe that was Thornley's earlier list.  Bad show Schmidt!

Murray??? Boozy lunch boys?

Corrected before you got me

Good team again! Joe is using the AIs perfectly to rotate players and test guys he doesn't know.

Marshall is sandwiched between Sexton and Dr Brian so Joe will get a rapid picture of how he might fit in.

I'd imagine Henshaw will replace BOD this week, so Madigan will be on the bench as 15 cover before his late cameo at 10. Thus Joe will not over use BOD and also get to compare Madigan and Henshaw at 13 over the two weeks. Similarly he can compare and contrast Fitzpatrick and Archer against the Ross standard.

SecretFly wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Ah the excuses are starting already. Look if Redden is the way forward then we might as well bring back Kidney. In fact holy Joe sounded exactly like him except for the fush n chups accent. Even if he took a punt with Marmion then I would at least think he is looking forward.

I will say if Schmidt thinks Redden is the man for the job then I can go with that...however if you are going to drop the incumbent for someone like Redden I hope the game goes according to plan...

O'Connell, Healy and O'Brien were subs last week?  Is that always a snub sub, those benches?  Maybe it's become the new tour of duty for the players who really make a difference to the game.  It certainly was last week.

Take pride in the bench I say to players because you can also make a name for yourself from them.

ignoring the fact all three were coming back from injury. Regardless Joe picks Redden with a game plan in mind which is good, whether the players concerned can execute the game plan is another thing.

ME-109 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Ah the excuses are starting already. Look if Redden is the way forward then we might as well bring back Kidney. In fact holy Joe sounded exactly like him except for the fush n chups accent. Even if he took a punt with Marmion then I would at least think he is looking forward.

I will say if Schmidt thinks Redden is the man for the job then I can go with that...however if you are going to drop the incumbent for someone like Redden I hope the game goes according to plan...

O'Connell, Healy and O'Brien were subs last week?  Is that always a snub sub, those benches?  Maybe it's become the new tour of duty for the players who really make a difference to the game.  It certainly was last week.

Take pride in the bench I say to players because you can also make a name for yourself from them.

ignoring the fact all three were coming back from injury. Regardless Joe picks Redden with a game plan in mind which is good, whether the players concerned can execute the game plan is another thing.

Exactly.

GunsGerms wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Ah the excuses are starting already. Look if Redden is the way forward then we might as well bring back Kidney.

That is a contradiction given that Kidney elected to select crazy hands TOL and then Murray or any other square peg he could find to partner Sexton before considering Reddan to be worth a punt. Baffling. Murray might be a better player right now but Reddan is a better fit for this game.

+1 again Gun (I swear I am not stalking you).
The Murray/Sexton combo never sparked despite it being flogged to death. I am no fan of Reddan, in fact quite the opposite but he is the right player to select when combined with Sexton.

Much in the same way that D'Arcy is 'Tom boobie' unless he has BOD outside him......  

GunsGerms wrote:

Submachine wrote:quote]He's got, stand, couch or pub time v Australia.

OK missed that. In all fairness though I think positive rotation is good.

The flaw in it though is that Murray will not have played with Sexton so far this season. A bit short-sighted I would think looking to next week because Reddan should not be let anywhere near the ABs and the Six Nations. Its not as if Murray has played about 50 games with Sexton like Reddan has.

Pete330v2 wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Ah the excuses are starting already. Look if Redden is the way forward then we might as well bring back Kidney.

That is a contradiction given that Kidney elected to select crazy hands TOL and then Murray or any other square peg he could find to partner Sexton before considering Reddan to be worth a punt. Baffling. Murray might be a better player right now but Reddan is a better fit for this game.

+1 again Gun (I swear I am not stalking you).
The Murray/Sexton combo never sparked despite it being flogged to death. I am no fan of Reddan, in fact quite the opposite but he is the right player to select when combined with Sexton.

Much in the same way that D'Arcy is 'Tom boobie' unless he has BOD outside him......  

Flogged to death ... have they played more than 7/8 times together?

Dave Kearney and Jackson have the All Blacks bench obviously.

No...I'm okay with anything so far. Rotation is reality with him. And hell he seems to be starting quick with Ireland.  

Sin é wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Submachine wrote:quote]He's got, stand, couch or pub time v Australia.

OK missed that. In all fairness though I think positive rotation is good.

The flaw in it though is that Murray will not have played with Sexton so far this season. A bit short-sighted I would think looking to next week because Reddan should not be let anywhere near the ABs and the Six Nations. Its not as if Murray has played about 50 games with Sexton like Reddan has.

Why is it ok for him to play v Australia and not NZ and the 6N teams? Schmidt will more than likely rotate the two of them as he used to with Boss and Reddan at Leinster. Both Murray and reddan have their own strenghts and no doubt Schmidt will select then accordingly based on what team they will face and what tactics are most appropriate.

Murray v Wales and England. Reddan v France and Scotland Id imagine.

Eng and Wales employ a lot of pick and go and crash balling which Murray can soak up all day while a more expansive game may be appropriate v france and Scotland.

Sin é wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Submachine wrote:quote]He's got, stand, couch or pub time v Australia.

OK missed that. In all fairness though I think positive rotation is good.

The flaw in it though is that Murray will not have played with Sexton so far this season. A bit short-sighted I would think looking to next week because Reddan should not be let anywhere near the ABs and the Six Nations. Its not as if Murray has played about 50 games with Sexton like Reddan has.

Murray will almost certainly come on around the 50-60 min mark,this isn't Kidney any more.We now have a coach who will use his subs and rotate his players when he can to ensure they are as fresh as possible.Murray will get to play 20-30 mins against a tired Oz instead of starting 3 matches in a row and dealing with fresh backrowers all the time.He'll be back next week as we need his physicality against NZ but I'd say JS is confident our pack can protect Reddan enough against Oz that he can do his stuff.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Submachine wrote:quote]He's got, stand, couch or pub time v Australia.

OK missed that. In all fairness though I think positive rotation is good.

The flaw in it though is that Murray will not have played with Sexton so far this season. A bit short-sighted I would think looking to next week because Reddan should not be let anywhere near the ABs and the Six Nations. Its not as if Murray has played about 50 games with Sexton like Reddan has.

Murray will almost certainly come on around the 50-60 min mark,this isn't Kidney any more.We now have a coach who will use his subs and rotate his players when he can to ensure they are as fresh as possible.Murray will get to play 20-30 mins against a tired Oz instead of starting 3 matches in a row and dealing with fresh backrowers all the time.He'll be back next week as we need his physicality against NZ but I'd say JS is confident our pack can protect Reddan enough against Oz that he can do his stuff.

Exactly.  The players out first will be expected to give it their all and push hard in the knowledge that Schmidt will almost certainly use his whole bench and almost certainly give them all more than a ...minute... to mark their presence on the game.

Very Leinster look about the team . No surprise to see it dominated by Leinster and Ulster players, they both play the brand and intensity that Schmidt wants. Thought I would have seen Fitzpatrick on the bench ahead of Archer, unless he's injured.

Sin é......step away from the Munster shirt

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Submachine wrote:quote]He's got, stand, couch or pub time v Australia.

OK missed that. In all fairness though I think positive rotation is good.

The flaw in it though is that Murray will not have played with Sexton so far this season. A bit short-sighted I would think looking to next week because Reddan should not be let anywhere near the ABs and the Six Nations. Its not as if Murray has played about 50 games with Sexton like Reddan has.

Murray will almost certainly come on around the 50-60 min mark,this isn't Kidney any more.We now have a coach who will use his subs and rotate his players when he can to ensure they are as fresh as possible.Murray will get to play 20-30 mins against a tired Oz instead of starting 3 matches in a row and dealing with fresh backrowers all the time.He'll be back next week as we need his physicality against NZ but I'd say JS is confident our pack can protect Reddan enough against Oz that he can do his stuff.

If he is rotatating, Madigan will be coming on for Sexton around the same time  

Sexton will not get to play with Murray before facing the ABs. A big unfair on Murray who had Jackson last week, Madigan this week and face the ABs next week with another half-back partner in that scenario.

The Saint wrote:Very Leinster look about the team . No surprise to see it dominated by Leinster and Ulster players, they both play the brand and intensity that Schmidt wants. Thought I would have seen Fitzpatrick on the bench ahead of Archer, unless he's injured.

Can't say that team is dominated by Ulster players. That won't be until the 6N