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Post by Adam D Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:00 pm

Just finished watching the fight this morning and was expecting a terrible fight based on the comments posted on the live action thread.

However, I was pleasantly surprised.

I admit that at times, Tysons jab was more of a flick but one of the commentators made a comment (who would have thought, hey?) about that he throws small compact arm hooks similar to how a welter might. To me, this was quite accurate towards the closing rounds.

Overall, I thought that Tyson put on another very polished performance. 

His movement was excellent and his variety of shots were very good as well - I really didnt see what wasnt to like. 

Hammer was poor but he was ranked 3 so it was a decent fight to take.

The best thing for me though, was Tysons punch output in the middle rounds - he was throwing a lot of leather and really working hard. It really didnt seem like a heavyweight fight which are usually quite slow paced. (similarly, Eubank Jr was throwing a huge amount of leather too in the closing rounds - equally as impressive).

So could someone explain to me why you all rated it such a poor performance?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:04 pm

You're pushing the Furys aren't you buddy....

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:05 pm

His jab was awful again, his footwork was average, the hooks carried no power whatsoever, he's still wide open to a right hand. The commentary was a joke trying to make it out to be something it wasn't, all in all another embarrassing Fury performance.

Don't know why my pet hate is when people call him Tyson, everyone else is referred to by their surnames and it's shameful on the actual Tyson for this guy to be referred to as such.

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:05 pm

Hammer was poor but he was ranked 3 so it was a decent fight to take

The fact that he was ranked number 3 really emphasises how bad the HW division is. Hammer was woeful.

So could someone explain to me why you all rated it such a poor performance?

For me, Tyson just looks awkward and clumsy. He was trying to do Mayweather shoulder roll stuff and it just looked crap. He's a big lump with a bit of power but he was trying and failing to look flashy on Saturday. Hopefully Wlad wipes the floor with him sooner rather than later.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:07 pm

He was ranked 3..........

Reminds me of Jack Callaghan being ranked 1 before Hilton decapitated him.......and Jimmy Navarro before Canizales nearly killed him.......

Adam should try politics..

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:10 pm

Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:
Hammer was poor but he was ranked 3 so it was a decent fight to take

The fact that he was ranked number 3 really emphasises how bad the HW division is. Hammer was woeful.

So could someone explain to me why you all rated it such a poor performance?

For me, Tyson just looks awkward and clumsy. He was trying to do Mayweather shoulder roll stuff and it just looked crap. He's a big lump with a bit of power but he was trying and failing to look flashy on Saturday. Hopefully Wlad wipes the floor with him sooner rather than later.

Laugh Laugh Laugh

Fury is 1 big lump of a man. Whenever he trys to look like a seasoned pro he just ends up looking like stupid. He is too big to try and dance like Ali, too big to shoulder roll like Mayweather, but he is effective and has a big heart.

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Post by Adam D Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:15 pm

I take the criticism from HH as moot, as he hates Tyson no matter what he does.

I am not pushing Fury at all - I am just a fan! I like the guy as he always had time for us on our show which a lot of other people just wouldn't entertain.

And I enjoy his histrionics as I see them as entertaining - I dont believe he means a work of what he says. Some of it is distasteful but overall, he is an entertaining guy.

With regards to the footwork and rolls etc, he is a huge guy - I am sure its not easy to try these things! I genuinely thought his footwork was good for most of the fight. ANd he was throwing a lot which is good to see in the division.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:18 pm

Adam D wrote:I take the criticism from HH as moot, as he hates Tyson no matter what he does.

I am not pushing Fury at all - I am just a fan! I like the guy as he always had time for us on our show which a lot of other people just wouldn't entertain.

And I enjoy his histrionics as I see them as entertaining - I dont believe he means a work of what he says. Some of it is distasteful but overall, he is an entertaining guy.

With regards to the footwork and rolls etc, he is a huge guy - I am sure its not easy to try these things! I genuinely thought his footwork was good for most of the fight. ANd he was throwing a lot which is good to see in the division.

You've got a Hughie article four rows down..............and you aren't pushing them ??

You are and there is nothing wrong with that....

I like Fury too............Canon fodder though in another era...

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Post by AdamT Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:22 pm

I rate Fury. Granted he doesn't look the most athletic guy out there but he can box and he has a lot of heart!

Love him or hate him but he always has something to say and to be fair he keeps winning his fights and backing it up.

Although I would make Wlad a pretty big Favourite, I am still interested to see how the bigger Fury does against him.

Perhaps if Fury cuts no corners and puts everything into his training, then he might stand a chance. As everyone knows, Wlad hasn't the greatest whiskers and Fury can dig a bit.

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Post by 3fingers Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:24 pm

He definitely doesn't punch his weight though.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:26 pm

I would love it If Fury lands the big one and Wlad goes.........

Move boxing into another era..........They may not be as skilled Wilder and Fury... but at least the spot light would be back on the blue riband division...

Boxing could only benefit from that..

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Post by 3fingers Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:27 pm

I'd say pulev, who is not a puncher bangs harder than fury, in fact, nearly all of wads recent opponents bang harder.

Maybe Fury doesn't throw everything into his shots on purpose so he can maintain high workrate.

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Post by AdamT Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:29 pm

Perhaps Wlads chin has improved slightly.

Like I have said, I would make Wlad favourite over Fury/Wilder but perhaps age will catch up to him soon. He isn't getting any younger.

Joshua will not be far off as well this time next year.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:31 pm

He doesn't punch hard enough or quick enough for that to happen Truss, Brewster and Sanders both had quick hands and fairly explosive power. Once that jab starts getting pumped into his face relentlessly, all the ambition will go and it will just be a matter of time before Wlad closes the show.

Wilder has an outside chance because he punches very hard and is reasonably quick, Wlad isn't flashy nor do I rate him that highly but as he showed against Haye he's not a lumbering giant, he does in fact possess fairly impressive speed and footwork for a 240lber.

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Post by hazharrison Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:31 pm

It was a competent performance (for this era at least). It certainly wasn't embarrassing. Fury is playing to his strengths: workrate and size and while it looks ungainly at times, it's effective enough to beat the vast amount of today's big men (most give up when faced with someone bigger anyway).

I can't see Klitschko struggling with him fighting like that. He'd need to tear into Wlad and gamble.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:31 pm

3fingers wrote:I'd say pulev,  who is not a puncher bangs harder than fury, in fact, nearly all of wads recent opponents bang harder.

Maybe Fury doesn't throw everything into his shots on purpose so he can maintain high workrate.

Fury though is something knew for Wlad.........Bigger and taller !!...Wlad mugs his opponents in a "straight line" and Wlad was rocked by a jab in his last fight !!

Fury lands he'll go because he has a dodgy chin......

Easy fight for Wlad ?.....Not sure about that.

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Post by AdamT Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:33 pm

Fury gets a lot of heat but sadly in todays era of heavyweights, I doubt anyone will have an easy fight with a motivated Fury.

He isn't a bad boxer when he puts his mind to it.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:36 pm

Peter landed big, put him down thrice, he got up and won convincingly so Fury's power isn't going to do for him and yes it will be an easy fight for him, the talent difference is huge.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:38 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Peter landed big, put him down thrice, he got up and won convincingly so Fury's power isn't going to do for him and yes it will be an easy fight for him, the talent difference is huge.

Like I said Wlad was rocked by a jab in his last fight..

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:39 pm

Gets annihilated when he finally fights someone of genuine calibur.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:39 pm

By a bigger puncher than Fury, his power is ridiculously over rated, you also can't knock out what you can't hit.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:41 pm

Wlad comes in on a straight line........You make him sound like Michael Nunn mate !!

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Post by Coxy001 Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:46 pm


Just finished watching the fight this morning and was expecting a terrible fight based on the comments posted on the live action thread.

However, I was pleasantly surprised.

Pleasantly surprised? Did I miss when he uppercutted himself repeatedly for over two minutes?

I can't hide my disdain for how shockingly average he is. If he wasn't 6'10 (or whatever he is) then he would be a boxing nobody with a 15-5-25 journeyman sort of record. He does nothing well but a whole lot is woefully average for someone ranked so highly.

No speed.
Weak chin.
Poor power.
Poor movement.
Poor conditioning.
Poor
Poor
Poor
Poor
Poopy.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:47 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Wlad comes in on a straight line........You make him sound like Michael Nunn mate !!

He is Michael Nunn compared to anyone else out there.

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Post by AdamT Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:49 pm

I do think wlad is the best and have stuck up for him in the past because of longevity. However he is not a young man anymore and I think he is going to be caught soon.

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Post by 3fingers Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:08 pm

Wlad dictates range through footwork as well as punching, therefore it doesn't matter if fury has longer arms.

Wlads footwork is underrated, a simple pivot by will nullify Fury 's lateral movement.

Too much is made of wlad having never fought anyone bigger than himself...

When has Fury ever fought a 6 ft 6" world class athlete? when has fury fought someone 6 ft 6"? in fact when has Fury fought a world class athlete?

I'm not bashing Fury, I love the guy.  I have the utmost respect for him...he's a decent boxer with has a fighters heart, and too top it off he's hilarious.

I'm just putting things in perspective.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:17 pm

3fingers wrote:Wlad dictates range through footwork as well as punching, therefore it doesn't matter if fury has longer arms.

Wlads footwork is underrated, a simple pivot by will nullify Fury 's lateral movement.

Too much is made of wlad having never fought anyone bigger than himself....

If he's never fought anybody bigger how can it be irrelevant..........

Wlad's footwork and his ability to pivot seemed to be missing in his two beat downs.....Sanders landed every punch he threw.......Hasn't beaten anybody as good as Sanders since..

Don't tell me he's anything more than an accomplished mugger........Because he isn't..........He comes in on straight lines....

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Post by Coxy001 Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:26 pm

He comes in on straight lines....

Behind a jab that is like a pornstars piston ramrodding you in the face with the force of a sledgehammer.

Barring that he's pretty average, is just the best by a distance of the worst era of HW boxing in the history of histories.

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Post by 3fingers Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:32 pm

Sanders beat him because he had genuine world class dynamite in either fist.

He lost the other fights due to conditioning combined with a lack fortitude compounded by poor tactics.

I repeat too much is made of wlad never having fought anyone bigger..when the real questions are how will Fury cope in the biggest fight if his life? how will Fury cope against some 6 ft 6"? how will Fury cope with a world class athlete? how will fury cope with a seasoned pro? How will fury cope with world class power? How will fury cope with someone better than him?...etc, etc

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Post by RanjitPatel Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:41 pm

Wlad fought and beat Wach, who was bigger than himself.

Think he deals with Fury much easier than he dealt with Wach though. He'll probably be weary of Fury's size for a couple of rounds but once thethe jab starts landing the right will follow. I just can't see Fury taking that power.


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Post by milkyboy Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:25 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
He comes in on straight lines....

Behind a jab that is like a pornstars piston ramrodding you in the face with the force of a sledgehammer.

Barring that he's pretty average, is just the best by a distance of the worst era of HW boxing in the history of histories.

Sounds like the voice of experience

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Post by ShahenshahG Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:31 pm

milkyboy wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:
He comes in on straight lines....

Behind a jab that is like a pornstars piston ramrodding you in the face with the force of a sledgehammer.

Barring that he's pretty average, is just the best by a distance of the worst era of HW boxing in the history of histories.

Sounds like the voice of experience

Genetic Memory I think and a fond one considering his surname

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Post by Coxy001 Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:57 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:
milkyboy wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:
He comes in on straight lines....

Behind a jab that is like a pornstars piston ramrodding you in the face with the force of a sledgehammer.

Barring that he's pretty average, is just the best by a distance of the worst era of HW boxing in the history of histories.

Sounds like the voice of experience

Genetic Memory I think and a fond one considering his surname

Having Mohammed as a surname doesn't give you relevance to some effing messiah.

Grow up.

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Post by ShahenshahG Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:58 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:
milkyboy wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:
He comes in on straight lines....

Behind a jab that is like a pornstars piston ramrodding you in the face with the force of a sledgehammer.

Barring that he's pretty average, is just the best by a distance of the worst era of HW boxing in the history of histories.

Sounds like the voice of experience

Genetic Memory I think and a fond one considering his surname

Having Mohammed as a surname doesn't give you relevance to some effing messiah.

Grow up.

Laugh

its Shah actually

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Post by Coxy001 Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:09 pm

I wasn't being specific to you!

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Post by ShahenshahG Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:13 pm

Laugh Pu$$y

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Post by catchweight Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:27 pm

Hes shown he better boxer than many claim and proved a lot of people wrong in that respect but while his last two performances were more accomplished, I cant see him beating Klitschko by looking to stand off him and outbox him. Likewise Wilder on his his last outing. If they got stuck into Klitschko and really went for him it would be very interesting.

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Post by milkyboy Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:35 pm

I'd agree with the above assessment catchy, though I feel that were fury to 'have a go' he'd get slaughtered. He's more likely to try and make it a cagey snorefest.

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Post by catchweight Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:44 pm

Klitschko has no inside game other than smothering and hes not a quarter of the fighter when he is put under pressure. I also think his stamina is dodgy, covered up by fights where he controls the tempo against boxers who hand him the initiative. Genuinely think a big fighter like Wilder of Fury throwing caution to the wind and having a go would give Klitschko fits. He might wipe them out if he lands a right hand but he is notoriously reluctant to let it go. And if you make him work I think Klitschko starts blowing pretty quick and losing his composure.

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Post by milkyboy Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:31 pm

If they do fight, I hope you're right. My feeling is that fury is bigger but wlad is stronger and he certainly hits harder. I don't know that the inside game would come into it... Fury having a go means he walks onto something big for me. Like you say, could be wlad won't let his hands go. I'm sure pulev wished he hadn't.

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Post by Steffan Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:37 pm

While I want Fury to do well the fight was typical a heavyweight snoozefest and there was more action in the first round of the Frampton fight than the whole of Fury hammering the Hammer. Heavyweight boxing has gone for good and not even the likes of Fury, Wilder or Joshua can make it exciting again

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Post by catchweight Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:42 pm

He will take the risk of walking onto something but thats boxing. Povetkin reduced Klitschko to disqualification levels of cheating in order to win and Klitschko was blowing at the end of it. That was from Povetkin just having a go and showing some bottle. Klitschko doesnt really look much cop at all when hes not in total control.

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Post by Strongback Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:07 pm

I think it was David Price, 6'8, who said it was practically impossible to land a clean punch on Wlad when they sparred.

Between Wlad's spoiling, leaning on and a decent ability to lean back or step backwards out of trouble I don't see Fury landing much.

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Post by 3fingers Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:14 pm

What's the point of having a go against wlad if you haven't got a dig? Fury needs time to wear someone down, he isn't going to wear wlad down, he doesn't have the skill power or strength to do so.

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Post by 3fingers Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:15 pm

Wilder gas a much better chance by "having a go", at least he has genuine one punch KO power.

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Post by Strongback Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:19 pm

3fingers wrote:Wilder gas a much better chance by "having a go", at least he has genuine one punch KO power.


Definitely the best fight at heavy right now.

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Post by 3fingers Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:21 pm

Definitely!

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Post by Commander Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:52 am

Wlad has fought someone bigger with decent power and a good chin (Marius Wach) - and he beat him convincingly.

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Post by sittingringside Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:34 am

I'd be interested to see Furry take Wlad on in a sort of rugged, mauling match at close quarters. He's shown a bit of an appetite for that in the past, it's pretty difficult to imagine him winning at long range.

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Post by ShahenshahG Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:43 am

sittingringside wrote:I'd be interested to see Furry take Wlad on in a sort of rugged, mauling match at close quarters. He's shown a bit of an appetite for that in the past, it's pretty difficult to imagine him winning at long range.

That's probably the bestiality idea.

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