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KP_fan- Posts : 10098
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It is a shameful waste in a tight contest to give away a wicket through run put
though the frequent low bounce is probably building pressure on the mind of batsmen
though the frequent low bounce is probably building pressure on the mind of batsmen
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I can't see Duckett lasting long, so that unnecessary runout has really opened the door for India. 80-3 and all of a sudden the score doesn't look too clever
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English batsmen appear standing on slippery ground and evry over there is a chance....wicket should come soon
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Just as I feared. Even 300 looks a long way off at the moment.
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This is painful.
Currently 21 off 98 balls for batsmen other than Root. And its not like theyve even stayed in whilst blocking.
Not hiting boundaries is one thing, keeping low risk is fine. But not getting the 1's and 2's ( or worse trying to turn 1 into 2 ) regularly is killing England here. If England were matching Indias run rate theyed be 30 runs to the better, still not a great situation but a hell of a lot bettr than this.
Its pretty grim. No Woakes to bail them out either.
A lot of pressure on Root to out Kholi Kholi here.
Currently 21 off 98 balls for batsmen other than Root. And its not like theyve even stayed in whilst blocking.
Not hiting boundaries is one thing, keeping low risk is fine. But not getting the 1's and 2's ( or worse trying to turn 1 into 2 ) regularly is killing England here. If England were matching Indias run rate theyed be 30 runs to the better, still not a great situation but a hell of a lot bettr than this.
Its pretty grim. No Woakes to bail them out either.
A lot of pressure on Root to out Kholi Kholi here.
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have looked at the pitch now with Indian spinners bowling on it ...my prognosis.....Eng will hand India a lead of 200 most likely and 150 in worst case ( if stokes plays a dashin inning)....
then India will set a target 450 in 5 sessions
the ptich is not impossibly bad (yet) it might become from end of D4....
compared to Rajkot it's slower and lower bounce...means scoring runs is not easy....pressure builds up more and doubt of an LBW greater in the mind
then India will set a target 450 in 5 sessions
the ptich is not impossibly bad (yet) it might become from end of D4....
compared to Rajkot it's slower and lower bounce...means scoring runs is not easy....pressure builds up more and doubt of an LBW greater in the mind
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Oh jesus ...is this Australia in disguise?
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Guys - Ashwin/Jadeja are really good when it begins to turn....which it is now doing.
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Guys - England are really bobins when it begins to turn....which it is now doing.
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Looks like Yadav is pretty good too Olly. This is truely shocking. Ali is the guys hwos suppossed to be OK against spin, 1 run off 21 balls.
What happened to that absolute road KPF?
What happened to that absolute road KPF?
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take rOots 53 and 5 extras out rest have scored 22 runs only
that's the problem...ball is coming slow..and keeping low......getting the ball off the square into gaps is not easy...and when you try to hit out...whats happens is what we saw in Root's dismissal
that's the problem...ball is coming slow..and keeping low......getting the ball off the square into gaps is not easy...and when you try to hit out...whats happens is what we saw in Root's dismissal
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Well this over - only question left is at what point do England lose. Tomorrow if following on?
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so far quite impressive Jayant..with the bat...and they the R.O of Hameed..the slide and jump rotating in the air.....and now a wicket...
He has a classical front on action, ....good flight and revs on the ball...and the leap at the delivery( almost like a medium pacer) gives him a higher release consequently more bounce off the good length than an average spinner would.
Does he have a mystery ball is what we need to wait and see......what differentiates between a good spinner on spinning pitches vs. all condition good spinner
He has a classical front on action, ....good flight and revs on the ball...and the leap at the delivery( almost like a medium pacer) gives him a higher release consequently more bounce off the good length than an average spinner would.
Does he have a mystery ball is what we need to wait and see......what differentiates between a good spinner on spinning pitches vs. all condition good spinner
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KP_fan wrote:take rOots 53 and 5 extras out rest have scored 22 runs only
that's the problem...ball is coming slow..and keeping low......getting the ball off the square into gaps is not easy...and when you try to hit out...whats happens is what we saw in Root's dismissal
Its also the difference between English batsmen and the likes of Kholi and Pujara who can find the singles and twos.
You can attribute the slow scoring to Hameeds rash decision, and possibly to Cooks dismisal too...although that was just unchareteristicaly badly exucted. Most times he wouldve hit that cleanly.
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Need cook to start rigging the toss imo
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To put this into perspective - it's no worse than India's displays against the seam and swing of Broad and Anderson when they were last over here
As Olly says - Ashwin and Jadeja in helpful conditions - they are a deadly pairing and will run through most non-subcontinental sides
As Olly says - Ashwin and Jadeja in helpful conditions - they are a deadly pairing and will run through most non-subcontinental sides
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VTR wrote:To put this into perspective - it's no worse than India's displays against the seam and swing of Broad and Anderson when they were last over here
As Olly says - Ashwin and Jadeja in helpful conditions - they are a deadly pairing and will run through most non-subcontinental sides
Or....England are cleverly avoiding batting last on this pitch by making India enforce the follow on..........genius captaincy from cook imo
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Ah yes - that is clever, especially when England propelled by a Ben Duckett double hundred set India 130 to win and recall Bob Willis from the commentary box to bowl them out
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Root needs to sort himself out, with the exception of the last test where everyone scored runs he gets himself in and gifts his wicket away, he's mentally very weak. I can accept players like Duckett not being good enough but those that are need to show it.
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With 5 runs off the last two balls the momentum going into day 3 is firmly with England.
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:Root needs to sort himself out, with the exception of the last test where everyone scored runs he gets himself in and gifts his wicket away, he's mentally very weak. I can accept players like Duckett not being good enough but those that are need to show it.
So is Cook not good enough, mentally weak, or both?
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KP_fan wrote:need one more before the close
That's just greedy - you've got half the team and the two best players out. The remaining 5 wickets include former promising all-rounder but now promising number 12 Stuart Broad and one freak 80-odd but nothing else ever Jimmy Anderson. Think of the fans who might have tickets for day 4! And us masochist England fans who want the torture to continue until Monday!
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Have to admit going after Joe root, the only one to score runs, is a bold strategy
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Cook got a ball he could do nothing about
Hameed was run out by Root
Duckett is young and not yet good enough for the subcontinent
Ali is not in the team as primarily a batsmen
Root however is seen to be a potential great yet continues to look brilliant making 50's and 60's but rarely converts his starts into big scores when it really matters, 11 centuries from 35 fifties is simply not good enough.
Hameed was run out by Root
Duckett is young and not yet good enough for the subcontinent
Ali is not in the team as primarily a batsmen
Root however is seen to be a potential great yet continues to look brilliant making 50's and 60's but rarely converts his starts into big scores when it really matters, 11 centuries from 35 fifties is simply not good enough.
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Thats really the stupiduest thing you can possibly critisize someone for.
Its not even like it was a brainless shot or espeically high risk shot, just a poorly executed one . Sitting back like the others and waiting to get out without scoring wouldnt have made a jot of difference.
Having scored more runs that everyone, including negotiating some good balls, he is the one people round on? Its absolutely ridiculous.
Its not like hes Kevin Pietersen.
Its not even like it was a brainless shot or espeically high risk shot, just a poorly executed one . Sitting back like the others and waiting to get out without scoring wouldnt have made a jot of difference.
Having scored more runs that everyone, including negotiating some good balls, he is the one people round on? Its absolutely ridiculous.
Its not like hes Kevin Pietersen.
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It was both brainless and high risk hence why he got out playing it, he was accumulating runs easily enough but as ever decides to play a more expansive shot. It's your experience players who are to blame when they throw their wickets away not 2 or 4 test novices.
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Just as a thing:
Centuries in 2016 :
Bairstow 4
Root 3
Ali 3
Cook 2
Stokes 2
Id say its Cook that needs to sort himself out. Unless you consider him less talented than Ali?
Centuries in 2016 :
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Stokes 2
Id say its Cook that needs to sort himself out. Unless you consider him less talented than Ali?
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:It was both brainless and high risk hence why he got out playing it, he was accumulating runs easily enough but as ever decides to play a more expansive shot. It's your experience players who are to blame when they throw their wickets away not 2 or 4 test novices.
He'd actually scored 6 boundaries and was struggling to get the 1's and 2's as much as anyone else. the difference was he was mixing it up with strokes.
The shot came as Ashwin started to get on top and peg both him and his partner down.
If the worst thing you can sayt about Root is that hes too good for a player who averages "only" over 50 in test cricket Ill take a brainless version to be honest....even if it were a valid criticism...which it isnt.
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Wasn't able to see a ball today (possibly just as well for an England supporter)
But it does look as though this is going only one way , with only the timing to be decided.
Thought England probably did quite well to get India out for 450 after being 300/3. But the danger was always going to be batting under scoreboard pressure in conditions that are not conducive to stroke play ( I gather that , although it isn't a minefield - yet - the pitch is not making it easy to score against spin bowling ?
Losing the skipper at the start was a problem : it seems to me that if Cook goes early England rarely do well in pressure innings like this. Though that seems to have been down to good bowling ; while the subsequent wickets seem to have been lost more through mistakes caused by an inability to get the score moving...
Guess we need one of those SA partnerships from the ginger pair now
Seriously find it hard to chart a way back into - or out of - this match now. Surely conceding a huge lead ; and there certainly won't be a follow on enforced so they'll eventually be looking at chasing 4-500 on a crumbling pitch on day four. Good luck with that .
Ah well : was always going to be uphill from the loss of the toss here. Will have to go back to the drawing board...but there are three more matches to come so all is not lost. Cook needs to get lucky with a couple more tosses , I think. But I'm not slashing my wrists over this one : India played well ( they are allowed to do so !) and have turned initial advantage into an overwhelming position in two days so well done them. Doesn't mean they are unbeatable ; still think we may see an interesting series - but I have officially abandoned hope on this particular match...though it would be nice to see them made to work for the inevitable win.
But it does look as though this is going only one way , with only the timing to be decided.
Thought England probably did quite well to get India out for 450 after being 300/3. But the danger was always going to be batting under scoreboard pressure in conditions that are not conducive to stroke play ( I gather that , although it isn't a minefield - yet - the pitch is not making it easy to score against spin bowling ?
Losing the skipper at the start was a problem : it seems to me that if Cook goes early England rarely do well in pressure innings like this. Though that seems to have been down to good bowling ; while the subsequent wickets seem to have been lost more through mistakes caused by an inability to get the score moving...
Guess we need one of those SA partnerships from the ginger pair now
Seriously find it hard to chart a way back into - or out of - this match now. Surely conceding a huge lead ; and there certainly won't be a follow on enforced so they'll eventually be looking at chasing 4-500 on a crumbling pitch on day four. Good luck with that .
Ah well : was always going to be uphill from the loss of the toss here. Will have to go back to the drawing board...but there are three more matches to come so all is not lost. Cook needs to get lucky with a couple more tosses , I think. But I'm not slashing my wrists over this one : India played well ( they are allowed to do so !) and have turned initial advantage into an overwhelming position in two days so well done them. Doesn't mean they are unbeatable ; still think we may see an interesting series - but I have officially abandoned hope on this particular match...though it would be nice to see them made to work for the inevitable win.
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Gooseberry wrote:Hammersmith harrier wrote:It was both brainless and high risk hence why he got out playing it, he was accumulating runs easily enough but as ever decides to play a more expansive shot. It's your experience players who are to blame when they throw their wickets away not 2 or 4 test novices.
He'd actually scored 6 boundaries and was struggling to get the 1's and 2's as much as anyone else. the difference was he was mixing it up with strokes.
The shot came as Ashwin started to get on top and peg both him and his partner down.
If the worst thing you can sayt about Root is that hes too good for a player who averages "only" over 50 in test cricket Ill take a brainless version to be honest....even if it were a valid criticism...which it isnt.
Haven't seen the dismissal. But I see Boycott was having a bit of a go at Root for it...which probably means criticism was unjustified
In all seriousness , Root sometimes does seem to gift his wicket through carelessness - in contrast to other days when he seems determined to score big and plays with total control ( sort of whether he decides to channel Steve or Mark Waugh ). As I say I didn't see it ; but perhaps it was a day when he should have stayed behind the barricades for a bit longer after losing those early wickets . Think the bigger problem is Duckett at four as he unfortunately hasn't been able to settle to a proper Test innings yet ( the fifty in Bangladesh was entertaining and innovative ; but probably not the sort of thing that is easily repeated) In fairness he has still only had six innings...but he probably needs serious runs sooner rather than later.
Not that there are a host of alternatives. A return for Ballance doesn't inspire confidence ; and picking Buttler - while it might work - seems an exercise in hoping to get lucky rather than a considered selection.
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Root eh, what a waste of space. Needs to sort himself out, the others have shown him the way. That average is pathetic when you consider that he is a batsman and scoring runs is what he wants to do. Why doesn't he just score more of the runs? That would solve it. He appears to have forgotten that, he thinks he's a gardener or something.
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Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Root eh, what a waste of space. Needs to sort himself out, the others have shown him the way. That average is pathetic when you consider that he is a batsman and scoring runs is what he wants to do. Why doesn't he just score more of the runs? That would solve it. He appears to have forgotten that, he thinks he's a gardener or something.
Ha! - I do get the frustration, as he often looks so good that you can't believe he could ever get out. Mark Waugh was definitely a good comparison as given in another post
The thing is, if he'd hit that for six, as he is capable of he might of gone on to a fairly brisk hundred and everyone would be purring about the bold counterattack in the face of adversity. Fine margins and all that
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VTR wrote:Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Root eh, what a waste of space. Needs to sort himself out, the others have shown him the way. That average is pathetic when you consider that he is a batsman and scoring runs is what he wants to do. Why doesn't he just score more of the runs? That would solve it. He appears to have forgotten that, he thinks he's a gardener or something.
Ha! - I do get the frustration, as he often looks so good that you can't believe he could ever get out. Mark Waugh was definitely a good comparison as given in another post
The thing is, if he'd hit that for six, as he is capable of he might of gone on to a fairly brisk hundred and everyone would be purring about the bold counterattack in the face of adversity. Fine margins and all that
"Its Just The Way He Plays"
Over 5 ...almost gets done by a grubber, hist the next ball for 4 and another boundary in the over
Over 9 ... Plays and misses. Expansively drives the next ball for a single.
Over 17 .. big lbw appeal on leave, clips the next one for a single
Over 19 .. skidder,beats the inside edge defending lucky to miss the stumps. Next ball hit for 4
Over 25 .. defends and misses, again lucky not to be bowled. Hits a boundary 3 balls later. next ball is an lbw appeal that goes for a leg bye
You may be sensing a pattern here..... This is how he got to 50. The bowlers were consistently getting near misses off him even when he was defending. he got his runs by "manning up" and playing shots amongst the chaos.
There seems to be an idea that he was invicible if he kept defending, its simply not the case. There was lots of near misses and he rode his luck.
Simply sitting back and waiting for the luck to break wasnt an option, its didnt work for the other batsmen and if anything only contributed to the requirement for Root to play his shots and undoutably to Hameeds far more brainless run out.
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Well, yes, was thinking of Pietersen's treatment by the English establishment and section of the public, when reading these comments on poor old Joe Root. Yes it wasn't a well executed shot, yes he was looking in great touch and ones Cook was already cleaned up, had to shoulder the innings on his own. And yes England were 3 down already, and the last thing they needed at that stage was for Joe to get out caught in the deep. But there was absolutely no contribution whatsoever from the rest of the lineup, and it is not that it is something new. England top order, in general, has been struggling for some time now. Cook or Root would make runs regularly, but overall, as a unit they just haven't made many significant contributions. And after the exceptional performance at Rajkot, they were back to type....... Singling Root out is just ridiculous.......Gooseberry wrote:Thats really the stupiduest thing you can possibly critisize someone for.
Its not even like it was a brainless shot or espeically high risk shot, just a poorly executed one . Sitting back like the others and waiting to get out without scoring wouldnt have made a jot of difference.
Having scored more runs that everyone, including negotiating some good balls, he is the one people round on? Its absolutely ridiculous.
Its not like hes Kevin Pietersen.
Perhaps they should drop him and end his contract and tell him he'll never be considered for England hereafter as they have to move forward!
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Anyways, a pretty decent bowling performance from India. And all bowlers chipped in. Ashwin picked up 2 early wickets, Jayant Yadav looked impressive on test debut. And though he didn't pick up any wickets and wasted a review, Ravindra Jadeja was economical as always. He did give away more than his usual quota of runs to start with, but then pulled things back and kept creating issues for batsmen.
But the 2 seamers bowled very impressively indeed. And Kohli was right to give them an extended bowl with the new ball. Shami's dismissal of Cook is one for the ages, and Yadav was disciplined and quick.
But the 2 seamers bowled very impressively indeed. And Kohli was right to give them an extended bowl with the new ball. Shami's dismissal of Cook is one for the ages, and Yadav was disciplined and quick.
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But the thing is that England have been in similar situation every so often over the last year or so, and have come out better through their battery of all-rounders. Bairstow and Stokes, 2 people who have found themselves counfronted with such rescue jobs are there and have already shown that it won't be easy for India from now on. Then there is Rashid, Ansari is a county opener, Broad a fine slogger who has a reasonable record against India though he's unlikely to ever forget that one bouncer from Varun Aaron that completed the conversion of his batting career from that of an all-rounder with the potential to bat 7 to an out and out slogger who can be handy at 10 or 11. And the Burnley Lara nearly scored a test ton against India a couple of years ago!
So Kohli's men do have a job to do even now. I do hope and expect them to take a not insignificant first innings lead tomorrow though......
So Kohli's men do have a job to do even now. I do hope and expect them to take a not insignificant first innings lead tomorrow though......
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:Root needs to sort himself out, with the exception of the last test where everyone scored runs he gets himself in and gifts his wicket away, he's mentally very weak. I can accept players like Duckett not being good enough but those that are need to show it.
I don't like saying this on Internet fora, but what a stupid thing to say
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On the Indian fast bowlers note its striking how much more pace they generated than the England ones. Obviously Anderson, and lately Broad...are not exactly famed for their lightening pace but Shami and Yadav were easily above to push over 90mph ...as Cooks stump willl atest. Stokes was well down on pace too. Maybe Woakes mightve been a bit sharper but he wouldnt have been up with Yadavs 89mph average ball speed on any surface.
I know KPF is a big believer in raw pace on these Indian pitches as a differentiator, and again this maybe highlights and area that England have been spectaculalry lacking in since Harmissons confidence went. Even Finn is not a real fast bowler (and never was) despite what his lack of accuracy may suggest.
I dont think theres any question that India outbowled England as well as outbatted them. And that isnt just that their 3 spinners are all better than Ansari, their pacemen too were pretty effective.
I know KPF is a big believer in raw pace on these Indian pitches as a differentiator, and again this maybe highlights and area that England have been spectaculalry lacking in since Harmissons confidence went. Even Finn is not a real fast bowler (and never was) despite what his lack of accuracy may suggest.
I dont think theres any question that India outbowled England as well as outbatted them. And that isnt just that their 3 spinners are all better than Ansari, their pacemen too were pretty effective.
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The thing with Umesh is that he has always been quick. But he has not always managed to link that pace with discipline. He has done that in this series so far. Shami is not just about pace, though he does have the ability to crank it up....... Shami can get the bowl to seam, and he can get it to reverse brilliantly too. If he can manage to swing the new ball in the air, he would be the complete package, and the answer to the who after Zaheer question. He's best positioned to be that answer anyways, shame he couldn't play enough with Zak....... Even Umesh's initial good performances all came when he had Zaheer to guide him.......
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--compared to the Dhoni era where 125-130 kph line and length stock bowling was OK.....there has been a marked change in Indian approach after Kohli taking over......he wants pace....
and doesn't hide behind....." but pace without control is no good"
the team management has been tasked to get the real fast bowlers bowl with more control.....
--Hence Varun Aaron who was express, but could not inculcate reasonable control and a fuller length was dropped from considerations of the main squad...however they are still trying him on A tours
--right now India has two bowlers who consistently hit 90mph in Ishant and Sami...and Yadav who can hit 95mph when in rhythm...and these are India's top 3 seamers
and most important under the current regime they are encouraged to bowl fast..
Shardul Thakur is also among the first line reserves....he is a raw-version of Sami in speed, style and potential.
the only medium / fast medium pacer in India's top test match pool is Bhuvneshwar Kumar.....operates in the 80-84mph....but has prodigious swing bowling capabilities.....so if the pitch or overhead conditions are
extremely supportive he plays.
--I remember the debut series of Finn ( which was also the debut series of Cook as captain in ODIs)....and he was express , easily hitting 96mph and even flat ODI pitches every top order Indian was troubled.....that express Finn was tinkered, slowed down and the current version is merely a stock bowler
Anderson has enough pace for a swing bowler......but Broad has lost pace, maybe temporarily.....I have seen him go up and down in pace.....probably linked with niggles and / or rhythm
Mark Wood's style of hit the deck hard and speed would have afforded reverse on subcontinent pitches.....what's his fitness situation like now?
and doesn't hide behind....." but pace without control is no good"
the team management has been tasked to get the real fast bowlers bowl with more control.....
--Hence Varun Aaron who was express, but could not inculcate reasonable control and a fuller length was dropped from considerations of the main squad...however they are still trying him on A tours
--right now India has two bowlers who consistently hit 90mph in Ishant and Sami...and Yadav who can hit 95mph when in rhythm...and these are India's top 3 seamers
and most important under the current regime they are encouraged to bowl fast..
Shardul Thakur is also among the first line reserves....he is a raw-version of Sami in speed, style and potential.
the only medium / fast medium pacer in India's top test match pool is Bhuvneshwar Kumar.....operates in the 80-84mph....but has prodigious swing bowling capabilities.....so if the pitch or overhead conditions are
extremely supportive he plays.
--I remember the debut series of Finn ( which was also the debut series of Cook as captain in ODIs)....and he was express , easily hitting 96mph and even flat ODI pitches every top order Indian was troubled.....that express Finn was tinkered, slowed down and the current version is merely a stock bowler
Anderson has enough pace for a swing bowler......but Broad has lost pace, maybe temporarily.....I have seen him go up and down in pace.....probably linked with niggles and / or rhythm
Mark Wood's style of hit the deck hard and speed would have afforded reverse on subcontinent pitches.....what's his fitness situation like now?
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Mark Wood has recently undergone his third ankle operation in a year after he fractured a bone in his ankle at the end of the English season. He hasn't played a test in over 12 months but he did return strongly for Durham and then England in ODIs at the end of the summer. Soon after that he was ruled out of the Bangladesh tour due to ankle injuries then underwent surgery after it was found he had a fracture in his ankle.
He won't feature in India either.
It pains me to say it as I think he's a fantastic cricketer but I fear his career is slipping the same way as Simon Jones.
He won't feature in India either.
It pains me to say it as I think he's a fantastic cricketer but I fear his career is slipping the same way as Simon Jones.
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this morning ashwin has beaten stokes 3 times, Umesh induced an edge of bairstow that went between slips......no wickets yet
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Wriddhiman Saha is back to his Pre-West Indies version, missing at least a chance per innings, and not much contributing with the bat either. Seemed he turned the corner in the West Indies, and then against New Zealand when he had a very good series with gloves and bat. But he hasn't been safe behind the stumps this series, missed Stokes 3 times in the series already, and hasn't made major contributions with the bat either.
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Bairstow and Stokes are well set, and they are starting to rest control back from India. They might make a mistake eventually, and someone might take the catch or effect the stumping if the fielders are to be involved. But India may not be getting a massive first innings lead which seemed to be there for the taking when England slipped to 80-5. And yet again, England's lower middle order and by the look of it, the lower order set to bail them out of yet another tricky situation.....
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msp83 wrote:Bairstow and Stokes are well set, and they are starting to rest control back from India. They might make a mistake eventually, and someone might take the catch or effect the stumping if the fielders are to be involved. But India may not be getting a massive first innings lead which seemed to be there for the taking when England slipped to 80-5. And yet again, England's lower middle order and by the look of it, the lower order set to bail them out of yet another tricky situation.....
We trail by 260 runs.
How on earth are we set to be out of this tricky situation?!
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msp83 wrote:Bairstow and Stokes are well set, and they are starting to rest control back from India. They might make a mistake eventually, and someone might take the catch or effect the stumping if the fielders are to be involved. But India may not be getting a massive first innings lead which seemed to be there for the taking when England slipped to 80-5. And yet again, England's lower middle order and by the look of it, the lower order set to bail them out of yet another tricky situation.....
Msp's pessimism running ahead of itself there.
England holding their own and more this morning but not able to get out of the perilous situation that yesterday's final session placed them in. Good and responsible play from Stokes and Bairstow, a significant blow for the visitors that the latter fell to a real pacey delivery from Umesh just before the interval.
India would have wanted (and probably expected) more than that one wicket so far today but they remain well on top with plenty of time left. Not even half the match gone yet.
England currently 219/6 with some aggression being shown by Rashid. However, still trailing by 236. With England having to bat last, any sort of deficit should be telling and, unless I'm allowing my own pessimism to run away, I can't see that being avoided.
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Rashid playing some fine shots, and Stokes isn't going anywhere. There is Ansari to come as well. Already looking like another long session. Unlike with the first new ball, the 2 Indian quicks are looking rather ragged with the 2nd one, particularly Umesh. Rashid and Stokes have already added 29, and Rashid has outscored Stokes so far.
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We will almost certainly still lose this game sometime tomorrow. But at least we are putting up a fight. Stokes is proving that he can be considered a genuine test number 6 that has the ability to play according to the match situation. Next mile stone is to avoid the follow on, even if India will not enforce it.
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