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Post by Mr Bounce Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:28 pm

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Welcome to 2021 - here's hoping it will be a much better year for all, and Boxing will be back - with crowds! Time to do the usual who will/who won't predictions.

5 who will:

1. Ryan Garcia. Genuinely believe that this kid has it all. Yes there's a lot of hype but he's proved it with every obstacle thrown at him. I think he will walk through Luke Campbell.

2. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez. Continues to beat all in front of him. Picks up the IBF belt by practically decapitating Caleb Plant.

3. Tim Tszyu. Gets his WBO shot late in the year and obliterates Teixeira. Definitely a chip off the old block. Wants to set up a unification bout with Jermell Charlo.

4. Josh Taylor. Gets his meaningful 4 belt fight against Ramirez and continues to impress, beating him in a lopsided UD. Hopes for a huge fight against Teofimo Lopez in 2022.

5. Artur Beterbiev continues to chase belts in the Light Heavyweight division and goes after Bivol. Doesn't get him, but knocks out mandatory Fanlong Meng and Deines in brutal fashion. Edit: once he's recovered from Covid!!

5 who wont

1. Andy Ruiz Jr. Has had his moment of glory. Has a couple of fights at close to 280lbs against no-hope opposition. Nobody cares. His trainer leaves him because Fat Andy won't train.

2. Billy Joe Saunders. Makes another stupid video in the build up to a potential Canelo fight - he then doesn't get the fight.

3. Gennadiy Golovkin. Continues to rack up meaningless IBF contender defences. Charlo and Canelo are not interested.

4. Carl Frampton. Quickly realises that he's out of his depth against Jamel Herring and his corner retire him after 8 rounds. Announces his retirement shortly afterwards.

5. Gervonta Davis. On the cusp of landing a superfight against Lopez, gets arrested for starting a brawl outside a bar. Legal issues keep him out of the ring for several months.

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Post by Herman Jaeger Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:02 am

Shouldn’t Bivol be fighting Beterbiev before he fights Buatsi? Or does boxing not do finals anymore?


John Scully, a long time aide-de-camp to the Beterbiev team: ‘That’s the biggest and most important fight to make right now at 175 pounds, in my eyes’


Scully says he does not expect Beterbiev to budge from the light heavyweight division anytime soon.

‘Speaking strictly from my opinion, I don’t see him moving up or down in weight right now. Although he boxed at and was successful as a 201 pounder in the amateurs at a very high level, I would say 175 suits him perfectly.

‘One thing people need to understand is that this is a very young 35 year old man. He is a very clean living and devout Muslim who doesn’t drink or smoke or abuse his body in any way. He also has not taken any real punishment as a professional so in this case you have a guy who may very well be at the height of his powers, in the middle of his prime, as opposed to being on the other side of it. His improvement just over his last few fights has been very noticeable and impressive so, in my eyes, I see the best is yet to come for him.’



A Bivol-Beterbiev unification would pit three of the major titles (WBO currently held by Joe Smith Jr)

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Post by Jeff Navarro Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:28 am

Yordenis Ugas beat Manny Pacquiao by unanimous decision to all but confirm the Filipino greats retirement. Ugas picked Pacquiao apart with his beautiful double jab. Pacquiao looked old and slow.
Cuban Ugas looking at Spence next if the American returns.

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Post by Mr Bounce Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:17 am

Seems like Manny has met Father Time who has advised him that his best fighting days are behind him.

Nothing to be ashamed of. Time to go.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:28 pm

Sadly such is the lack of 'Names' in Boxing....Floyd and Manny could carry on until they are 50 and probably sell..

No one outside Boxing has heard of Canelo and Crawford..and they are 1 and 2.

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Post by 88Chris05 Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:59 pm

Ugas looked very well prepared considering he had less than a fortnight's notice. Any sport other than boxing, and I wouldn't lend any credence to the theory going around that Spence was always going to pull out and it was going to be Ugas all along, unbeknownst to Pacquiao. That way they can give Ugas (for whom a defeat would have been no big deal at all for PCB) to Spence in 2022 and hey presto, Spence has all three of the belts still recognised by the PBC without having to risk a tricky assignment and potentially embarrassing loss against Pacquiao. They can market him as undisputed and it makes his negotiating position for a possible Crawford (remember him?) fight even stronger.

I know, I know. Very conspiratorial. But this is boxing, which is why I never rule this kind of stuff out. I'm sure there are plenty of other fans here just as cynical as me.

Anyway, Ugas' performance itself was very controlled and sharp. Pacquiao just couldn't reach him for the most part and he showed admirable focus when Pacquiao tried to flurry, not losing his shape or feeling the need to please the crowd as some Pacquiao opponents have done at those pressure moments. He looked huge compared to Pacquiao - we kind of expect that  with a lot of Pacquiao's opponents, I guess - but really only needed that jab and the right hand, particularly when he hooked it around Pacquiao's guard, to rack up the points.

Pacquiao looked small, weak and out of ideas. To be honest his peak ended around 2010 (time really does fly and I don't like it one bit), but what we saw at the weekend was a big decline even from his 2018/2019 form, which in all likelihood may well have been enough to beat Ugas.

I don't think we've seen the last of him, mind you. I can see him having one or two homecoming fights in the Philippines, possibly in Macau again, as a way of saying goodbye and going out on a win against a more hand-picked opponent. I'm always loath to write him off but it's hard to see him beating the cream of any division now, and even if he faces guys just below that rung, they'll be heartened by that flat performance and really feel they can beat him, too.

Hopefully he doesn't become another Roy Jones. A faded Pacquiao of the previous few years has still been a damn good fighter in his own right. But I don't want to see a totally washed up one still trying to compete. No disgrace in that defeat, I just hope he keeps it that way now.
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Post by Jeff Navarro Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:36 am

Warrington - Lara 2 ended as a technical draw. After Warrington literally tried to head butt his way through the Mexican’s face.
The referee was pathetic, Warrington landed five head butt’s on Lara the late one ripping his eyelid apart. Not a single warning from the referee.
Hearn talks about Warrington fighting Gary Russell Jr...don’t make me laugh. The American would retire him.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:25 am

With a win and draw against Warrington...Lara deserves his WBA shot...

As for the oft-beaten Maxi Hughes being an IBO World champion....Looks completely absurd with Davis and Lopez ruling there and Lomo waiting in the wings..

Let's not insult the fans..

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Post by Jeff Navarro Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:04 pm

Oscar Valdez failed drugs test but WBC allowing him to brush it under the carpet.
Shocking...but not a surprise

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:22 am

That solves the mystery of his recent improvements, boxing has an embarrassing attitude towards doping.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:33 am

So Valdez, fighting despite his PEDs controversy, got a gift decision against Conceicao.
The Brazilian outlanded Valdez 141-83 in punches landed.
Yet one of the blind judges had the fight 117-110 to Valdez. The other two judges had it 115-112.
It’s embarrassing how much corruption is ruining boxing.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:39 am

Vitor Belfort battered Evander Holyfield in their exhibition fight. Literally got no clue how the commission allowed the once great Holyfield near the ring. He looks a shadow of himself.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:30 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:Vitor Belfort battered Evander Holyfield in their exhibition fight. Literally got no clue how the commission allowed the once great Holyfield near the ring. He looks a shadow of himself.

Because various big bags of money were being offered to loads of people (except the public). It's so sad. Someone WILL get hurt at some point. I wonder if ODLH is already having second thoughts?

As for the doping, it's a complete joke. Someone needs to get a handle on this.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:09 pm

Holy is a symptom.. The illness is titles mean nothing and apart from Fury..Josh and Canelo...Nobody gives a crap..

P4P 1986...Curry ..Hagler..Spinks. Hearns... Camacho.. Nelson...Holy...Bramble..McCallum...Chavez..

Tyson.. Mugabi....Duran...Leonard..Holmes..Whittaker..Taylor..Mcguigan types sniffing around.

NO names these days...People yearn for bygone fighters.

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Post by Herman Jaeger Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:44 pm

Much rather see Haye vs Babic than Haye vs Fury. Then at least the idea of a Fury/Haye fight(as a keep busy fight for Fury) wouldn’t be a complete joke

Boxing is becoming a very odd sport

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Post by Herman Jaeger Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:57 pm

Or how about Dave vs Wardley?

Wonder if Dave would have the same energy to fight Wardley as he does Fury

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Post by Herman Jaeger Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am

A loss to a top fifteen cruiserweight and a win over Joe Fournier gets you a shot at the heavyweight champion of the world

And everyone’s on board. It may do good numbers. How about me and the captain on the undercard. Absurd

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Post by Jeff Navarro Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:14 pm

Terence Crawford vs Shawn Porter has been confirmed for November. Should be a good fight. Porter brings it.

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Post by Mr Bounce Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:06 am

Jeff Navarro wrote:Terence Crawford vs Shawn Porter has been confirmed for November. Should be a good fight. Porter brings it.

He does Jeff, that's for sure. How much does he have left? And how much does Crawford have? Crawford's 37 now although he hasn't been in too many wars. If Porter is catching Crawford at the right time, he could have a chance of winning. However, I expect Crawford to figure out how to negate Porter's aggression and pressure by about Round 6, and he'll either cruise to an easy UD or force a late stoppage.

Edit: Never knew that Porter beat Usyk in the amateurs!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:20 pm

Campbell Hatton is on the Joshua card I see..

Kid is as ordinary as the day is long...Never be World class in a million years...

Insult to talented kids across the UK looking for a break.

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Post by Mr Bounce Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:12 pm

Agree with you wholeheartedly there Truss. When you look at popular former boxers' offspring they almost always "get a leg up" regardless of ability.

Rahman and Holyfield's boys are fighting in the US I see. Conor Benn seems to be doing alright though. Doesn't appear to have his Dad's explosive power - but he does seem to be dealing with whatever is put in front of him that'sfor sure.

I say match them harder.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:13 pm

Dillian Whyte against Otto Wallin set for October 30. Decent fight IMO

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:39 pm

Whyte needs to retire...Like Chisora.


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Post by Mr Bounce Yesterday at 8:38 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Whyte needs to retire...Like Chisora.


Why? Based on one careless loss? He has way more talent than Chisora and has a lot left to offer. He's definitely got a couple of years left and he's always good value to watch. Granted he doesn't belong at the very top but I would say he's a handful for most of the other heavies out there. I say let him make his money.

Chisora on the other hand is just an opponent.

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Post by Soul Requiem Yesterday at 9:01 am

I don't understand why Chisora would need to retire either. He's not world level but he gives those there or thereabouts a decent fight and has a pretty decent record against the rest, yes he's lost 11 times but that happens when you tend to fight anybody.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Yesterday at 9:13 am

Mr Bounce wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Whyte needs to retire...Like Chisora.


Why? Based on one careless loss? He has way more talent than Chisora and has a lot left to offer. He's definitely got a couple of years left and he's always good value to watch. Granted he doesn't belong at the very top but I would say he's a handful for most of the other heavies out there. I say let him make his money.

Chisora on the other hand is just an opponent.

Losing the second fight to Chisora before the Hail Mary and I had Chisora sneaking the first....Way more talent line doesn't stand up to scrutiny..

Whyte just isn't going anywhere is he ??.. Earning big money for stiff after stiff...

Career reminds me of Foreman's comeback when he beat never-do-wells before Holy...

Fury v Joshua is next year...Then Joyce vs the winner...Whyte is nowhere Man and interesting stiffs are few and far between.

As for Derek he has took a lot of punishment in his regular defeats.

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Post by Soul Requiem Yesterday at 9:27 am

Whyte hasn't fought a stiff for years now.

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Post by Mr Bounce Yesterday at 9:43 am

Soul Requiem wrote:Whyte hasn't fought a stiff for years now.

Agreed - he has a better cv than every other heavy still active.

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Post by Jeff Navarro Yesterday at 7:10 pm

Joseph Parker vs Dereck Chisora rematch announced. Parker is a strange one, talks about fighting x, y or z then always goes for an easier fight.

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