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Post by TightHEAD Mon 08 Feb 2021, 10:58 am

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ENGLAND vs ITALY - 13/02/21

Kick off - HQ - 14:15

England need to bounce back well, good time for Italy to turn up and disrupt their plans as best they can.

Line ups

England: Daly; Watson, Slade, Farrell,May; Ford, Youngs (Mr Untouchable); M Vunipola, Cowan-Dickie, Sinckler, Itoje, Hill, Lawes, Curry, B Vunipola??.

Replacements: George, Genge, Stuart, Ewels, Earl, Willis, Robson, Malins.

Italy: Trulla; Sperandio, Brex, Canna, Ioane; Garbisi, Varney; Lovotti, Bigi (capt), Riccioni, Lazzaroni, Sisi, Negri, Meyer, Lamaro.

Replacements: Lucchesi, Fischetti, Zilocchi, Cannone, Ruzza, Palazzani, Allan, Mori.


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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:18 pm

Is it because England are playing Italy that they running more with ball in hand than they did against Scotland?

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:20 pm

eirebilly wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
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No 7&1/2 wrote:And before someone says it....there is no law which says you cant jump a tackle.

Pretty sure there is, in open field play but not one for diving to the line.

Some finish by May clap

Find it and I'll have some real humble pie to eat as it's been an annoyance to me for a long time when commentators mention it.

I will have a look but i was certain there was a law for jumping tackles in open play, a law against dangerous play? I would love to find it but a too lazy thumbsup

Nothing wrong with that finish though, it was a thing of beauty.
There's no law specifically against jumping into/over tackles.

9.11. Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others

Jumping into tackles has been interpreted as coming under that subsection of law 9 for as long as I've been reffing.

It's often asked at reffing courses why a law specifically outlawing jumping into/over tackles hasn't been made and I reckon that the grey area between diving for the line and jumping a tackle in situations such as that is precisely why. The tackle area around the try line is a bit of a mess as it is. Defenders stopping pick and go's near the line make no arms chop tackles more often than not and there are often no arms tackles made by fullbacks and wingers near the corners trying to put players into touch, etc.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:20 pm

Youngs is brain dead. Hook him.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:21 pm

Italy playing all the rugby in this half

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:21 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Is it because England are playing Italy that they running more with ball in hand than they did against Scotland?
They've had field position and quick ball. Hogg's kicking stopped the first and the Scotland back row stopped the second. England were dire last weekend but Scotland also played a game plan I was not expecting from them and executed it to near perfection.

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Post by miltonkeynesengland Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:21 pm

Daly....what was that???

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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:22 pm

Poor tackle by Daly, Italy should have scored there

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:22 pm

Anyone know why Farrell is arguing with the ref?

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Post by Duty281 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:23 pm

Farrell behaving like an utter clown again. Doh

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:23 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Anyone know why Farrell is arguing with the ref?

Disagrees with him.

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Post by whatahitson Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:25 pm

BigGee wrote:Poor tackle by Daly, Italy should have scored there

He's not beed good for a long time. We need to find another full back and give Daly a break. He's better on the wing or centre IMO.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:26 pm

Farrell's communication with refs is so poor. From watching the behind the scenes stuff the RFU release he is clearly very respected by teammates. Similar with the Lions as well from those behind the scenes DVDs it must be said. He's really poor at working with a ref though. I'd so much prefer Curry or Itoje as skipper.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:26 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Anyone know why Farrell is arguing with the ref?

Disagrees with him.

Hes worse than Sexton.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:27 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Anyone know why Farrell is arguing with the ref?

Disagrees with him.

Hes worse than Sexton.
6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Either way it's a carton of eggs I'm not interested in making an omelette with.

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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:27 pm

Another knock on!

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:27 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Anyone know why Farrell is arguing with the ref?

Disagrees with him.

Hes worse than Sexton.

Only biggar is worse than sexton.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:29 pm

Youd imagine that willis is soon to be introduced. Surely daly is running out of time in this match too?

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:30 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Anyone know why Farrell is arguing with the ref?

Disagrees with him.

Hes worse than Sexton.

Only biggar is worse than sexton.
Importantly for Wales he isn't skipper though.

The experienced home nations fly-halves of Faz, Sexton, Biggar and Russell all love waving their hands at refs when things aren't going their way it must be said. I'm biased with Ford as a Tigers fan but I do love that he is constantly waving and shouting at teammates rather than officials.

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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:30 pm

Italy were playing well there, but a great read from Watson

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:32 pm

Farrell doesnt need to make that tackle...the ball has clearly gone...

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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:32 pm

Looks like head on head, Farrell was going in high

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Post by tigertattie Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:32 pm

Late and no wrap. Yellow card
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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:33 pm

England needed that from Watson. A complete change of momentum after 10 minutes of good Italy rugby. That will feel like a 14 point swing for the Italy players after running themselves ragged getting a foothold in the game.

Referral though...

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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:33 pm

Bit lucky there Farrell I think

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:33 pm

Very lucky boy

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:33 pm

Ewells???.

You gotta be kidding me!,

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:36 pm

LCD had a good game

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:36 pm

Genge needs to make a big statement...

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:36 pm

BigGee wrote:Bit lucky there Farrell I think
I've been one of the most critical of Farrell's tackle technique and terrible tackle percentage but not much in that for me. As the officials saied it's chest on chest, his arms are up, it's not a shoulder charge, head to head collision isn't foul play.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:36 pm

Wow good start!,

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:37 pm

Italy long in the leg and losing the bind. Harsh again on Genge.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:37 pm

king_carlos wrote:
BigGee wrote:Bit lucky there Farrell I think
I've been one of the most critical of Farrell's tackle technique and terrible tackle percentage but not much in that for me. As the officials saied it's chest on chest, his arms are up, it's not a shoulder charge, head to head collision isn't foul play.

Disagree KC...that's the late cheap shots that Farrell gives away penalties. He didnt need to make that..the ball was gone.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:37 pm

Lucky?

That is one of the most pointless checks I've ever seen, playing the player rather than the situation.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:39 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:LCD had a good game

He certainly mad a case to start, he played better than George has for a while.

Genge getting pinged straight away. I always thought he was handy scrummager but he's not showed up well at all in the white.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:40 pm

Jeez what did Eddie Jones say st half time..."your playing too well, cut it out.."

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Post by tigertattie Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:40 pm

Was a late hit from behind.
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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:41 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
king_carlos wrote:
BigGee wrote:Bit lucky there Farrell I think
I've been one of the most critical of Farrell's tackle technique and terrible tackle percentage but not much in that for me. As the officials saied it's chest on chest, his arms are up, it's not a shoulder charge, head to head collision isn't foul play.

Disagree KC...that's the late cheap shots that Farrell gives away penalties.  He didnt need to make that..the ball was gone.
It's dumb because Farrell ends up committing to an unnecessary tackle and on the deck rather than in the defensive line. It's the sort of challenge that happens a lot of times throughout a game though in my opinion. I think the refs are correct that there's no clear foul play in it though. It is still silly from Faz though I agree.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:41 pm

tigertattie wrote:Was a late hit from behind.

Not late in real time.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:43 pm

Ugo is right I'm sick to death with England's handbags. It's Poopie.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:43 pm

I get in from work and England are only 27-11?  How are our Saracens heroes doing?

Daly, Billy and Farrell not so well, Itoje looking good.

We had a good 20mins in the 1st half, poor after the restart.

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:44 pm

Someone get that tub of lard off and get a real No8 on
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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:44 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Was a late hit from behind.

Not late in real time.

Precisely.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:44 pm

Great back row. Hope they show up well in the last 20.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:44 pm

Ben Earl and Jack Willis...now they'll add some firepower

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Post by TJ Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:44 pm

Farrell - he was ;late and high as he often is. In thinking about the HI they forgot to check it for being late.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:45 pm

tigertattie wrote:Was a late hit from behind.
From behind is irrelevant to the laws. He's committed as the pass gets thrown as well in my opinion. Similar to tackles you often see when forwards target a first receiver and commit as the pass is thrown then connect once it's gone. Not much in it for me.

Gengey doesn't need to rub an Italy players head condescendingly after that turnover. Just unnecessary and if things kick off leading to the TMO looking at the incident he is the muppet that lit the fuse.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:46 pm

TJ wrote:Farrell - he was ;late and high as he often is.  In thinking about the HI they forgot to check it for being late.  
Head to head contact isn't a high tackle or foul play. The initial impact was chest height definitely not neck or head.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:46 pm

Delighted that England are using the bench fairly early. No point in that 6-2 split if they don't use it to go for the jugular.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:47 pm

Better scrum! They needed that. Great burst from Robson.

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Post by BigGee Sat 13 Feb 2021, 3:47 pm

Italy running out of gas now

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