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Post by George Carlin Sun 11 Jul 2021, 9:09 am

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SOUTH AFRICA A v BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
Wednesday 14 July
KO: 20:00 SAST / 19:00 UK / 22:00 Dubai  Very Happy
Cape Town Stadium (Newlands), Cape Town
Sky Sports Main Event

Referee: Jaco Peyper
Assistant Referees: Wayne Barnes, AJ Jacobs
TMO: Marius Jonker

TEAMS:

SOUTH AFRICA A:
15 – Willie le Roux
14 – Cheslin Kolbe
13 – Lukhanyo Am (captain)
12 – Damian de Allende
11 – Sbu Nkosi
10 – Morné Steyn
9 – Faf de Klerk

8 – Jasper Wiese
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit
6 – Marco van Staden
5 – Franco Mostert
4 – Eben Etzebeth
3 – Trevor Nyakane
2 – Joseph Dweba
1 – Steven Kitshoff

Replacements (from):
16 – Malcolm Marx
17 – Coenie Oosthuizen
18 – Vincent Koch
19 – Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg
20 – Rynhardt Elstadt
21 – Herschel Jantjies
22 – Jesse Kriel
23 – Damian Willemse
24 – Kwagga Smith
25 – Elton Jantjies

BRITISH & IRISH LIONS:
15. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
14. Louis Rees-Zammit (Gloucester Rugby, Wales) #846
13. Chris Harris (Gloucester Rugby, Scotland) #844
12. Bundee Aki (Connacht Rugby, Ireland) #837
11. Josh Adams (Cardiff Rugby, Wales) #836
10. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9. Conor Murray – captain (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790

1. Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2. Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
3. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5. Iain Henderson (Ulster Rugby, Ireland) #808
6. Josh Navidi (Cardiff Rugby, Wales) #854
7. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8. Taulupe Faletau (Bath Rugby, Wales) #779

16. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, England) #787
18. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #848
19. Adam Beard (Ospreys, Wales) #852
20. Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
21. Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, England) #849
22. Gareth Davies (Scarlets, Wales) #850
23. Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:01 pm

So hard to watch without crowds!

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Post by doctor_grey Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:09 pm

Josh Adam’s is out I was told???

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Post by doctor_grey Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:10 pm

RiscaGame wrote:Two changes for the Lions. Owen Farrell for Dan Biggar (minor ankle injury) and Liam Williams in at 15, Anthony Watson moving to 11, so Josh Adams can zoom call for the birth of his first child.
never mind, just saw this. Thanks

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Post by westisbest Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:11 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:So hard to watch without crowds!

Certainly not the same.
Less entertaining.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:12 pm

westisbest wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:So hard to watch without crowds!

Certainly not the same.
Less entertaining.
This is the first game I've actually sat down and watched to be honest. Very hard to get excited about this tour, I'm sorry to say.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:15 pm

Poor charge down but should have been a penalty against de allende.

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Post by westisbest Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:15 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
westisbest wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:So hard to watch without crowds!

Certainly not the same.
Less entertaining.
This is the first game I've actually sat down and watched to be honest. Very hard to get excited about this tour, I'm sorry to say.

Same here

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Post by Duty281 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:16 pm

Very sluggish start from the Lions, getting beaten up at most breakdowns.

Then Farrell with a telegraphed kick and it's 10-0. Doh

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Post by Old Man Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:16 pm

doctor_grey wrote:Josh Adam’s is out I was told???

Adams’ baby is about to be born

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Post by Old Man Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:18 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Poor charge down but should have been a penalty against de allende.

Why?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:18 pm

Old Man wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Poor charge down but should have been a penalty against de allende.

Why?

Obstruction.

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Post by Heaf Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:19 pm

Correct - in front of the ball carrier and blocking - poor from the officials

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Post by Old Man Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:19 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Old Man wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Poor charge down but should have been a penalty against de allende.

Why?

Obstruction.

Nope, running an obstructive line like that is legal. There are many tries scored like that.

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Post by Old Man Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:20 pm

Both packs trying to outsmart each other on the bind, so far nothing completed

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:21 pm

Old Man wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Old Man wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Poor charge down but should have been a penalty against de allende.

Why?

Obstruction.

Nope, running an obstructive line like that is legal. There are many tries scored like that.

2 exceptions to that. If the ref sees it as the player is looking at the player and also as above you can't do it in front of the ball carrier. So nope its a pen.

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Post by Heaf Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:21 pm

Old Man wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Old Man wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Poor charge down but should have been a penalty against de allende.

Why?

Obstruction.

Nope, running an obstructive line like that is legal. There are many tries scored like that.

Not if you're running ahead of the ball carrier as you're offside ...

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Post by Old Man Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:21 pm

Heaf wrote:Correct - in front of the ball carrier and blocking - poor from the officials

He wasn’t in front, check the laws.

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Post by Heaf Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:22 pm

Watch it again - he's well ahead of the ball carrier - I know the laws fine thanks thumbsup

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:22 pm

Old Man wrote:
Heaf wrote:Correct - in front of the ball carrier and blocking - poor from the officials

He wasn’t in front, check the laws.

Yeah you're wrong.

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Post by flyhalffactory Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:23 pm

Pack getting mullered, so loose at the breakdown, ponderous and slow. Just poor, no link play, Farrell needs to crank it up.
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Post by BamBam Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:23 pm

It’s legal in the NFL, maybe that’s the confusion.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:25 pm

Good news for the tests is that we won't have a South African ref.

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Post by flyhalffactory Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:26 pm

Heaf wrote:Watch it again - he's well ahead of the ball carrier - I know the laws fine thanks thumbsup

Well you are incorrect in this case, nothing wrong with it
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Post by Heaf Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:27 pm

flyhalffactory wrote:
Heaf wrote:Watch it again - he's well ahead of the ball carrier - I know the laws fine thanks thumbsup

Well you are incorrect in this case, nothing wrong with it

If you're in front of the ball carrier you're offside and can't do anything to stop anyone making or attempting to make a tackle - guess Nigel Owens must be wrong too?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:28 pm

You don't see it very often tbf heaf.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:29 pm

Williams off then. Watson already playing full back but given Hogg is isolating with covid we're getting dangerously close to Daly at 15.

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Post by George Carlin Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:29 pm

Is this 6-2 bench split here to stay?

That's 2 games in a row now where it seems like a real gamble that's likely to hurt us.

I had never seen this done at test level before this tour.
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Post by George Carlin Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:30 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Williams off then. Watson already playing full back but given Hogg is isolating with covid we're getting dangerously close to Daly at 15.
To be fair, a lot of people prefer him there (including Will Greenwood as he mentioned in commentary on the last game).
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Post by Heaf Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:30 pm

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Post by flyhalffactory Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:30 pm

Looks like Superman has a flying partner, Rónan Kelleher has officially been called up and will travel with AWJ
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Post by Old Man Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:30 pm

Yeah this SA referee is certainly biased , eh?

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Post by Brendan Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:31 pm

Well going off this test SA not affected by only having one game since the WC.

Really will focus the Lions minds but not looking easy this game

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Post by The Oracle Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:31 pm

George Carlin wrote:Is this 6-2 bench split here to stay?

That's 2 games in a row now where it seems like a real gamble that's likely to hurt us.

I had never seen this done at test level before this tour.

Didn’t SA do it in the World Cup final?
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Post by Heaf Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:31 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:You don't see it very often tbf heaf.

I know but Nigel picked it up and explained it perfectly - not sure why some think it's OK as it's the same as crossing effectively - running in front of the ball carrier and blocking a potential tackler ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:32 pm

Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:You don't see it very often tbf heaf.

I know but Nigel picked it up and explained it perfectly - not sure why some think it's OK as it's the same as crossing effectively - running in front of the ball carrier and blocking a potential tackler ...

Yeah. You can also be obstructing while behind even if keeping the same line. Brown was done that way for England towards the end of his career.

Ps think it was greenwood mentioning first.


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Post by Heaf Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:33 pm

Old Man wrote:Yeah this SA referee is certainly biased , eh?

No just poor Very Happy

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Post by The Oracle Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:34 pm

I’m reading that there was potential foul play with the Liam Williams HIA. Maybe a high hit by Etzebeth? One for analysis at half time perhaps.
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Post by flyhalffactory Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:34 pm

Get in there Owen
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Post by flyhalffactory Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:34 pm

The Oracle wrote:I’m reading that there was potential foul play with the Liam Williams HIA. Maybe a high hit by Etzebeth? One for analysis at half time perhaps.

It looked a tad high
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Post by TightHEAD Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:34 pm

Awful camera work so far
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Post by TightHEAD Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:35 pm

Sack the director for the tests.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:36 pm

The Oracle wrote:I’m reading that there was potential foul play with the Liam Williams HIA. Maybe a high hit by Etzebeth? One for analysis at half time perhaps.

First 1 was potentially hitting him in the air and the landing.

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Post by Old Man Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:37 pm

Man that Kolbe is good

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Murray is awful, thank the lord AWJ is back. Murray cannot be the starting test scrum half
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Great kick Daly.

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Murray is awful, thank the lord AWJ is back. Murray cannot be the starting test scrum half
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Oh dear. What are we doing???
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Post by LeinsterFan4life Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:39 pm

Murray's not even the best SH in Ireland, how is he starting?

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Post by Duty281 Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:39 pm

Only area where the Lions are better is the scrum. Getting beaten everywhere else and kicking from hand has been awful.

Good work from Kolbe to set up the try.

First test ten days away, huh?

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Post by Heaf Wed 14 Jul 2021, 7:40 pm

For those that might be interested:

A player is offside in open play if that player is in front of a team-mate who is carrying the ball or who last played it. An offside player must not interfere with play. This includes:

Playing the ball.
Tackling the ball-carrier.

Preventing the opposition from playing as they wish.

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