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Duty281 wrote:What do we think of the future of ODI cricket as a whole, because its demise is once again being discussed?
Wasim Akram thinks ODI cricket should be put out of its misery; Mark Ramprakash says that Stokes' ODI retirement could be the beginning of the end for ODI cricket; but Ravi Shastri says there should be fewer T20Is.
My view is that ODI cricket should stay, and it's T20i cricket that should be abolished. T20 should remain franchise/domestic only. No need for a T20 World Cup when the IPL and such exists. If T20i cricket does stay, I think there should be no three format players, only two formats maximum. I'd be very disappointed if 50-over cricket died on an international basis.
No format will die as long as they are generating revenues.
And much as I used to call them Meaningless-Masala-ODIs, these games as well as meaningless T20Is generate more revenue then tests.
Instead of 5 to 7 ODIs per series earlier...now limited over series comprise of 3+3.
Test Matches, "The Premium Form" of the game per purists ( including me) is still the commercially subsidized format of the game.
Now the defeats in ODIs/T20Is don't hurt as much, nor are wins remembered for long, only World Cups stay in memory.
But the international games generate high viewership rating & expensive advertisements (atleast on Indian TV)
As I wrote on the Ind-WI thread, the Indians have stopped complaining about too much cricket.
BCCI has found peace by putting out as many as 2 and a half to 3 squads now...call them Senior (or premium) and A and B squads for international games.
Ensuring prime stars get plenty of rest / rotation......and the pool of contracted players gets bigger and everyone gets full contracted fee, playing lesser games
Recently we have seen 2 Indian series running concurrently and twice VVSL has been India's national coach for a series when Dravid was with another Indian squad at the same time in another series.
If a marquee player Stokes was under BCCI management.....BCCI would have NEVER let him retire, would have done a sweet deal with him guaranteeing his workload across formats and asking him to appear for a very limited number of ODIs and T20Is and also letting him skip B grade test series.
No format will die since even these meaningless ODI&T20Is are indeed generating revenues, that are essential to subsidize tests and pump into FC, junior and women cricket development
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I don't have a subscription so I can't read the full article, but seems like Roy has been dropped from the T20 side to be announced at the end of the week. A huge shame he hasn't been able to recapture his form, and big boots to fill
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/08/31/jason-roy-dropped-england-tour-pakistan-t20-world-cup/
I don't have a subscription so I can't read the full article, but seems like Roy has been dropped from the T20 side to be announced at the end of the week. A huge shame he hasn't been able to recapture his form, and big boots to fill
That sums it up. Does caveat it by saying if he plays anymore in the Hundred and scores runs it could save him, but he is an injury doubt. His last two innings where he has scored 20s but slowly are the bigger issue.
The suggested WT20 line up is Malan, Buttler, Stokes, YJB. With Salt and Jacks the next cabs off the rank, with Smeed and Hales bigger long shots.
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/08/31/jason-roy-dropped-england-tour-pakistan-t20-world-cup/
I don't have a subscription so I can't read the full article, but seems like Roy has been dropped from the T20 side to be announced at the end of the week. A huge shame he hasn't been able to recapture his form, and big boots to fill
Well spotted. Here's the full article:
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- Jason Roy is set to miss out on England’s squad for their tour of Pakistan and then the T20 World Cup in Australia in October.
Roy has been an invaluable member of England’s T20 side for the last eight years, with his belligerent approach at the top of the order seen as emblematic of how England want to play their white-ball cricket. But he is now expected to pay the price for a dreadful personal summer when England name their squad for the series in Pakistan on Friday.
During England’s six T20 internationals this summer, Roy mustered just 78 runs at an average of 12.7 apiece. He also scored far slower than normal as he struggled to regain form, with a strike rate of just 78.
England had still hoped that Roy could use the Hundred to score heavily and cement his place in the side. But Roy has scored just 51 runs at an average of 8.5 each for the Oval Invincibles, a run that has included three ducks. Yet in some ways his last two innings - 20 off 17 balls and then 21 off 19 - have been more concerning, with Roy struggling to regain his customary fluency even after surviving his first few balls.
Roy missed Oval’s last match in the Hundred after experiencing lower back stiffness. He is considered a major doubt for their final Hundred group game on Wednesday night. Were he to play and score runs, it might yet earn him a late reprieve.
Roy’s case has also been damaged by several contenders to bat in England’s top three enjoying outstanding campaigns in the Hundred. Dawid Malan is the leading run-scorer in the competition, with 358 runs at an average of 59.7, and is also scoring faster at the start of his innings, which has previously been a concern.
Phil Salt, whose style closely replicates Roy’s, has scored 294 runs in the Hundred at an average of 49, while Will Jacks, Roy’s opening partner with Oval, has excelled too. Will Smeed, who has been less consistent but scored the inaugural century in the Hundred earlier this year, is considered another exciting option, while Alex Hales is an outside bet to win a recall after a fine season too.
The competition for batting positions in England's T20 line-up for the World Cup will intensify when Ben Stokes returns. Stokes is expected to be rested for the seven-game T20 series in Pakistan in September, when Moeen Ali is set to lead England, as Jos Buttler manages his own return from injury. While form could change matters, at this stage, England's first choice batting line-up for the T20 World Cup is likely to comprise Buttler opening with Malan, with Stokes and Jonny Bairstow at three and four.
Leaving out Roy would be a huge moment for England’s T20 side, with his value to the side considered his attitude and aggression as much as his overall T20 international record - 1522 runs at an average of 24.2 and strike rate of 138.
Would be a sad end to Roy's career, he's another one like Morgan whose form has slowly ebbed away over the last few years.
Telegraph indicating that Buttler and Malan will open, Stokes and Bairstow at 3 and 4. Wouldn't be a fan of Malan as an opener, would rather take a punt on something exciting like Smeed or Jacks. Hales did something that is likely very, very bad, so he won't be coming back, even if the Telegraph reckons he is an 'outside bet'.
Incidentally, I wonder if Roy's slump in form and consequent to his being dropped is in any way related to his mysterious sanction, earlier this year, when he was handed a suspended two-game ban and fined for "conducting himself in a manner which may be prejudicial to the interests of cricket or which may bring the game into disrepute." The specific nature of the offence was never disclosed, and he took a short break from the game afterwards.
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JDizzle wrote:Jason Roy did get a fine and a suspended two game ban from the ECB at the start of the summer and they never said why. Do wonder if something went on that has affected him! Guess we will never know now (until we get to read his book in 2025).
I don't have any inside info but I do suspect that you - and Duty in his related post - are on the right track there about Roy. I am aware that some at the Oval whom I would expect to know what went on earlier (even if they wouldn't divulge it) don't know and that only increases my suspicion.
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Guess it would be a good opportunity to try the alternatives for opening , if Roy gone and Buttler on the injured list...
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Stokes and Bairstow likely to be rested for the seven-game tour to Pakistan. Wood and Woakes may make the squad as their respective recoveries from injury are described as 'encouraging'. Moeen will be skipper with Buttler still recovering from injury.
Forgot the tour was so close, actually. The first game of the 7 T20s is in just 19 days time and England's first game at the World Cup is just over a month and a half away. England stumbling into the tournament with lots of questions over the batting order and injuries to key players.
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Salt Malan Jacks Brook Moeen Billings ?
And then of course mass changes for the Cup...which kind of negates this as a dress rehearsal but at least is a chance to try something different...
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On balance I'd prefer Salt opening with Buttler, Malan at 3 and Stokes at 5 as part of a flexible lower middle order with Livingstone and Moeen.
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Alfie I am afraid JDizzle is gonna have you before the jury for not including Smeed on that list
I'll put him in then ...move that Moeen chap down to seven...
TBH , I haven't a clue what the best t20 batting line-up is these days. And I am not sure England do either - or will after this Pakistan overkill seven games with a "B" team. The retirement of Morgan , Roy gone off the boil , Livingstone injured (will he even be right for the WC ?) - too many changes and no time to assess them properly.
As to opening in the WC I would be inclined (now) to pair Buttler with Bairstow as they are the two most experienced at opening in white ball games- and I am not convinced Jonny is really suited to coming in later in the innings in t20. Leave Malan at three ; and then sort out a middle order around Stokes , Moeen and whoever. If one of the fringe players makes a good case for himself in Pakistan , OK , reconsider.
Unless they get the bowling right they are in trouble anyway.
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Alfie I am afraid JDizzle is gonna have you before the jury for not including Smeed on that list
I did see Jordan Cox’s name mooted as one who might be in the squad, that really would be a shock to myself and the rest of the Smeed fan club. Nothing against Cox who is a talented young player and he’s had a decent Hundred - but only has a career SR of 134. Whereas Smeed is clear of 146.
Smeed has a clear weakness vs high pace/bounce, but also has a hugely high ceiling. And when England’s bowling is as it is, and they are likely to be chasing big scores/not being able to defend anything low, I think they’d be better off swinging for the fences with their batting. No point having a couple of anchors in there if you are going to be chasing 200+ regularly.
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Buttler
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Moeen
Livingstone
but three holes to fill for the Pakistan series - I'd expect Salt replacing Buttler at the top, and maybe Brooks and Jacks in for Stokes and Bairstow. Or they go for 7 batters and there's room for Smeed/Cox.
Billings seems to have dropped off the radar for T20Is, will be interesting to see if he gets a place in the squad.
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JDizzle wrote:Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Alfie I am afraid JDizzle is gonna have you before the jury for not including Smeed on that list
I did see Jordan Cox’s name mooted as one who might be in the squad, that really would be a shock to myself and the rest of the Smeed fan club. Nothing against Cox who is a talented young player and he’s had a decent Hundred - but only has a career SR of 134. Whereas Smeed is clear of 146.
Smeed has a clear weakness vs high pace/bounce, but also has a hugely high ceiling. And when England’s bowling is as it is, and they are likely to be chasing big scores/not being able to defend anything low, I think they’d be better off swinging for the fences with their batting. No point having a couple of anchors in there if you are going to be chasing 200+ regularly.
Totally agree re: your point about side balance JDizzle - no point stacking it with an extra bowler, simply not good enough options, have to go with the batting heavy approach and look to just outscore the opposition teams with our firepower. Should be easier in Australia than in UAE, where in theory the outcome of the game will be less toss dependant and pitches will suit our batting XIs strengths a bit more
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James100 wrote:A full strength top six still looks pretty strong
Buttler
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Moeen
Livingstone
but three holes to fill for the Pakistan series - I'd expect Salt replacing Buttler at the top, and maybe Brooks and Jacks in for Stokes and Bairstow. Or they go for 7 batters and there's room for Smeed/Cox.
Billings seems to have dropped off the radar for T20Is, will be interesting to see if he gets a place in the squad.
I think i'd change that line up a bit.
Buttler
Salt
Malan
Bairstow
Stokes
Livingstone
Ali
Beyond Malan I think it depends on the position of the game. You then pick four bowlers out whomever is fit preferably including Surran for his hitting ability then use Stokes, Livingstone and Ali as the fifth bowler.
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Soul Requiem wrote:James100 wrote:A full strength top six still looks pretty strong
Buttler
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Moeen
Livingstone
but three holes to fill for the Pakistan series - I'd expect Salt replacing Buttler at the top, and maybe Brooks and Jacks in for Stokes and Bairstow. Or they go for 7 batters and there's room for Smeed/Cox.
Billings seems to have dropped off the radar for T20Is, will be interesting to see if he gets a place in the squad.
I think i'd change that line up a bit.
Buttler
Salt
Malan
Bairstow
Stokes
Livingstone
Ali
Beyond Malan I think it depends on the position of the game. You then pick four bowlers out whomever is fit preferably including Surran for his hitting ability then use Stokes, Livingstone and Ali as the fifth bowler.
Seems England have gone a third way, Key's said Buttler and Bairstow will open at the W/C.
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England T20I squad to tour Pakistan: Jos Buttler (capt), Moeen Ali (vice-capt), Harry Brook, Jordan Cox, Sam Curran, Ben Duckett, Liam Dawson, Richard Gleeson, Tom Helm, Will Jacks, Dawid Malan, Adil Rashid, Phil Salt, Olly Stone, Reece Topley, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Luke Wood, Mark Wood.
And the actual World Cup:
England T20 World Cup squad Jos Buttler (capt), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Harry Brook, Sam Curran, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Dawid Malan, Adil Rashid, Phil Salt, Ben Stokes, Reece Topley, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood
Travelling Reserves Liam Dawson, Richard Gleeson, Tymal Mills.
Topley over Mills may be a surprise, may be related to injury. Stokes will be at the World Cup despite it being a while since he played a T20. Faith put in Woakes and Wood. Brook's ahead of Billings.
And of course the headline being no Jason Roy.
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Surprised Woakes has made it tbh - don't fancy him in Aus in T20s.
Bairstow confirmed opening...probably looking at this top 6 then?
Buttler
Bairstow
Malan
Stokes
Livingstone
Ali
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I worry about Woakes and all his injuries… I have visions of late career Tim Bresnan where the nip had totally gone and he was just canon fodder.
I don’t think Stokes is an elite T20 player at the best of times, but when did he last play one? Going to be interesting to see if he can just jump straight back into form.
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Stokes has only played 12 T20s for England in the last four and a bit years, last one being in March 2021. Actually weird looking at his career stats, he's only played 34 T20s for England!
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James100 wrote:Soul Requiem wrote:James100 wrote:A full strength top six still looks pretty strong
Buttler
Malan
Stokes
Bairstow
Moeen
Livingstone
but three holes to fill for the Pakistan series - I'd expect Salt replacing Buttler at the top, and maybe Brooks and Jacks in for Stokes and Bairstow. Or they go for 7 batters and there's room for Smeed/Cox.
Billings seems to have dropped off the radar for T20Is, will be interesting to see if he gets a place in the squad.
I think i'd change that line up a bit.
Buttler
Salt
Malan
Bairstow
Stokes
Livingstone
Ali
Beyond Malan I think it depends on the position of the game. You then pick four bowlers out whomever is fit preferably including Surran for his hitting ability then use Stokes, Livingstone and Ali as the fifth bowler.
Seems England have gone a third way, Key's said Buttler and Bairstow will open at the W/C.
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Duty281 wrote:The deadline for the squads is apparently the 15th September, so before any of the T20s in Pakistan are played. Could make it a bit awkward if, say, a bowler gets smashed around in Pakistan and is completely out of form by the time they get to Australia.
Stokes has only played 12 T20s for England in the last four and a bit years, last one being in March 2021. Actually weird looking at his career stats, he's only played 34 T20s for England!
Seems odd to insist squads be finalised so early ? Is there not provision for injury replacement ? Because I'd be less than surprised if one or other of the pace men broke down in Pakistan.
WC squad seems basically OK , given availability ; though I'd have had Gleeson in rather than just a reserve.
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Is the WC squad set and can't be altered? Because I'd like to see Stone make his way into it, especially if he is going to Pakistan. Mentioned over the summer I think he'd be ideal to open the bowling and be a middle overs wicket taker in Aus.
Surprised Woakes has made it tbh - don't fancy him in Aus in T20s.
Bairstow confirmed opening...probably looking at this top 6 then?
Buttler
Bairstow
Malan
Stokes
Livingstone
Ali
?
But do they really need 8 bowlers ? Think they can fit another batsman into that top six...
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I read somewhere a wee bit back that analysts for the top franchise tournaments will often exclude T20i stats from a players overall record when analysing potential signings. Reason being that most T20is outside of the world cups are played with such weak, depleted teams that they are often well below the standard of a lot of franchise cricket. Bilateral T20is are largely rubbish basically.Duty281 wrote:Stokes has only played 12 T20s for England in the last four and a bit years, last one being in March 2021. Actually weird looking at his career stats, he's only played 34 T20s for England!
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alfie wrote:Duty281 wrote:The deadline for the squads is apparently the 15th September, so before any of the T20s in Pakistan are played. Could make it a bit awkward if, say, a bowler gets smashed around in Pakistan and is completely out of form by the time they get to Australia.
Stokes has only played 12 T20s for England in the last four and a bit years, last one being in March 2021. Actually weird looking at his career stats, he's only played 34 T20s for England!
Seems odd to insist squads be finalised so early ? Is there not provision for injury replacement ? Because I'd be less than surprised if one or other of the pace men broke down in Pakistan.
WC squad seems basically OK , given availability ; though I'd have had Gleeson in rather than just a reserve.
Yeah, I haven't read about the 15th of September deadline on any reputable sites, but it would fit in with Australia and England naming their squads at this stage. Any injury and England will have to use one of the reserves and (I think) call up a new reserve at the same time
I also wouldn't be surprised if someone broke down in Pakistan, a seven game series is just silly season.
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king_carlos wrote:I read somewhere a wee bit back that analysts for the top franchise tournaments will often exclude T20i stats from a players overall record when analysing potential signings. Reason being that most T20is outside of the world cups are played with such weak, depleted teams that they are often well below the standard of a lot of franchise cricket. Bilateral T20is are largely rubbish basically.Duty281 wrote:Stokes has only played 12 T20s for England in the last four and a bit years, last one being in March 2021. Actually weird looking at his career stats, he's only played 34 T20s for England!
Would agree with that. It's why I would get rid of international T20s as most of the time it's just half-arsed calendar filler.
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Must be serious if he's out for the World Cup as well. England's T20 chances diminishing by the day, they'll need another opener. Duckett is now in the test squad, but I assume it'll be Brook who plays?
Trying to imagine what the accident was. A crash in the golf cart? Smashed himself in the leg? Accepted an offer from the LIV and it all got out of hand?
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Crawley slipped on a floor and injured his wrist. Burns injured his ankle playing football (as did Bairstow once upon a time). Foakes fell over in a dressing room and tore his hamstring. Archer needed surgery after cleaning a fish tank. Now Bairstow's slipped over on a golf course and badly injured his leg.
All this in the last few years. It's baffling. England must have a combination of the clumsiest and unluckiest sporting professionals.
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JDizzle wrote:Apparently he slipped walking to a tee box and has fractured his leg. That is ridiculously unlucky. I can see ligaments, but slipping and breaking your leg sounds horrific.
That is both incredibly unlucky...and a little pathetic. Freak injury surely better sustained celebrating a hole in one or something eh?
Huge blow for both the 3rd test, and the World Cup! Sounds like he will miss the Pakistan test matches too.
Guess Brook comes in for the 3rd test...Salt or Hales for the T20 stuff? Glad to see Duckett is in the test squad - suggests he's close, which I am keen to see
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I'd guess Bairstow out as well might prompt Malan back to three and another opener with Buttler.
1.Buttler
2.Salt
3.Malan
4.Stokes
5.Livingstone
6.Billings
7.Moeen
8.Woakes/Surran
9.Dilly
10.Wood/Stone
11.Topley
If Wood and/or Stone can get fully firing for some pace it's still the makings of a strong side but nowhere near the power it once had and huge pressure on Buttler with the bat.
If Billings is looking likely to play anyway I wonder if they might get him keeping to take some weight off Buttler's shoulders. Billings is an absolutely terrific outfielder given how quick he is and his very accurate arm but Buttler is pretty darn good in the outfield too.
The immediate question with Bairstow out might be whether or not Roy gets a lifeline? I'd probably go with Salt or Jacks myself.
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Could hardly have come at a worse time with the player himself in the form of his life. I do fear it is just one more blow to England's diminishing hopes of making an impact in the t20 WC ; but the problem in the Third Test is more immediate - and have to hope the opportunity afforded now to Harry Brook will see him start in a manner that his advocates have been suggesting is likely - because the batting has been depending quite a lot on YJB contributions in most of the Tests this summer.
Anyway I hope the injury is to the lower end of the scary spectrum being canvassed in the BBC report , as I think he's a player who is going to be needed next year ; and a long period out of action wouldn't be ideal (though a bit of a rest might not do a three-format player too much harm). Crossed fingers...
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Duty281 wrote:Thanks. It's just bizarre.
Crawley slipped on a floor and injured his wrist. Burns injured his ankle playing football (as did Bairstow once upon a time). Foakes fell over in a dressing room and tore his hamstring. Archer needed surgery after cleaning a fish tank. Now Bairstow's slipped over on a golf course and badly injured his leg.
All this in the last few years. It's baffling. England must have a combination of the clumsiest and unluckiest sporting professionals.
It is weird (The Archer fish tank one being the strangest !) These fellows routinely throw themselves around taking catches on the boundary with the dexterity of Olympic gymnasts , and then cripple themselves undertaking activities carried out every day by people barely fit enough to walk to the shops...
Perhaps some powerful sporting gods have a malicious sense of humour...
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alfie wrote:Duty281 wrote:Thanks. It's just bizarre.
Crawley slipped on a floor and injured his wrist. Burns injured his ankle playing football (as did Bairstow once upon a time). Foakes fell over in a dressing room and tore his hamstring. Archer needed surgery after cleaning a fish tank. Now Bairstow's slipped over on a golf course and badly injured his leg.
All this in the last few years. It's baffling. England must have a combination of the clumsiest and unluckiest sporting professionals.
It is weird (The Archer fish tank one being the strangest !) These fellows routinely throw themselves around taking catches on the boundary with the dexterity of Olympic gymnasts , and then cripple themselves undertaking activities carried out every day by people barely fit enough to walk to the shops...
Perhaps some powerful sporting gods have a malicious sense of humour...
I can't help but think there's something nefarious going on, but I can't think what it would possibly be...unless England are running some sort of underground fight club!
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Duty281 wrote:Duty281 wrote:https://resources.ecb.co.uk/ecb/document/2022/08/25/5ed38d62-72c0-45d3-9514-aa3b310ca067/Men-s-High-Performance-Review-Consultation-Material-FCCs.pdf
ECB high-performance review has just been released. The fact they've released it during a test seems to indicate they want it to pass under the radar. Broadly speaking:
- Too much FC cricket is played. There needs to be less.
- The top division of the County Championship needs to be made smaller in terms of team numbers. Bonus points to incentivise better pitches.
- Spinners need to bowl more overs in red ball.
- Different balls could be used in the red ball competition.
- English players playing FC cricket overseas is a good thing and doesn't currently happen enough. Proposals to remedy this include a 'north v south' red-ball game in the UAE and an 'overseas club programme' for certain players. Like the second idea.
- The Lions need to play more cricket, like India A do, and the focus should be 80-20 in favour of red-ball cricket. Reinstate U17 international cricket.
- They like the Hundred. The T20 Blast should be optimised to maximise attendances.
- The 50-over comp should be played in April and should involve the 'strongest possible' teams. Yes.
- Counties who develop elite players should be compensated accordingly.
- The aim is to make England the world's best men's team in all formats in five years. Haha, these changes will take longer than that to yield results.
Overall, the review just seems to be 'let's copy what other countries and sports are doing', with nothing really innovative about it. Other countries have a smaller domestic FC competition than us? OK, let's make ours smaller. Spinners bowl more overs overseas than our spinners? Right, our spinners should bowl more overs then. The Championship in football promotes 13% of teams, while the second division of county cricket promotes 25%? Well let's make it smaller then. There's also a bizarre comparison to how the gap between Division One and Division Two isn't as big as the gap between the PL and the Championship in football.
Added to this, Key has said some more things:
- The Hundred will continue to be played in August, but Key believes the County Championship can co-exist and also be played in August. Key thinks England would have been better served for this test series if domestic red ball cricket had been played just before (for current England players to get a warm-up) and during (for prospective players to push for selection) the tests.
- This is also based on the data that 2/3rds of England's leading FC players are not in the Hundred and are currently limited to playing in the very limited 50-over comp.
- However the counties are split on this idea and will vote on this, alongside other reforms, on the 20th September. Reforms to the schedule require 66%+ support.
- Key is still adamant England players play too much cricket domestically and have no time to 'practise and prepare'.
- Key is still planning on appointing a national selector, but he said that a while ago, and the longer it goes without one the less likely there will be one.
A bit more information has come out about the proposed changes to the county structure:
- Six team Premier Division with two feeder leagues of six teams each beneath it. The two feeder leagues are at the same level in the structure, so no 'Division Two' and 'Division Three'.
- In the six team Premier Division, a total of ten games are played in the regular season by each team (5 home, 5 away) and the top two at the end of the season contest a play-off final for the title. One team is relegated.
- In the two feeder leagues, a total of ten games are played by each team (5 home, 5 away) and the top two in each league go through to the semi-finals. The top team in League A plays the runners-up in Group B, and the top team in League B plays the runners-up in Group A. The winners go through to the final, the winner of the final gets promoted to the Premier Division.
- The County Championship will be played in June, July and September.
- However, there will also be a month of four-day cricket played outside the County Championship structure, in August, while the Hundred is going on. Up to three four-day games can be played in this strange month. The idea is that this will benefit test players, and prospective test players, who wll get red ball practice while a test series is going on, and means that those without Hundred contracts aren't doing nothing. The games in question are envisaged to be as dull as friendlies between respective counties - e.g. Somerset playing Northants in a game of no relevance or meaning - or a more interesting type of friendly game where the counties perhaps get to play a touring nation such as Scotland, Ireland, Zimbabwe or Afghanistan, if they are amenable to the idea.
Overall: 50 over tournament in April. More KO games to get it done quicker. T20 Blast in May/June/July. County Championship in June/July/September. Hundred in August. Four day friendlies in August.
This all sounds like convoluted nonsense to me. I'm on board with a six-team Premier Division, but not agreeable to the two feeder leagues below it. I think it should be a straight three-division structure. I disagree with play-off finals and semi-finals in a league format, though it may help the experience of younger players with regards to pressure moments and big games. I dislike the County Championship being played in September. I think the idea of playing four-day friendlies in August is a nonsense and undermines the entire talk about how 'reducing FC games is a good thing'. If up to 15 four-day games can be played through a season, why not make them all relevant to a league format? The 50-over tournament may get more prominence and not be a second-team sideshow, but it's still at the fringes of the calendar and there will be less of it.
Ultimately, the big problem is the Hundred. It is the source of all ills. It is draining the ECB financially and has very little interest and relevance, but they are determined to build the calendar around it and that means 50-over cricket and four-day cricket gets squeezed to the margins.
A vote will happen on the 20th of this month. Strauss fighting tooth and nail to get the changes through.
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Really can't get my head around the non competitive first class games, will any actually even be played? 50 over tournament in April isn't going to be a quality competition, may as well do away with it!
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VTR wrote:I like the 6 team top division and can see merit in the pressure playoff games would create. The feeder divisions don't seem too bad to me, with 4 of 12 teams making the playoffs, I'd expect few dead matches. There is a danger with having a division 3 it's just a dumping ground for the likes of Leicestershire to languish forever.
Really can't get my head around the non competitive first class games, will any actually even be played? 50 over tournament in April isn't going to be a quality competition, may as well do away with it!
Yeah, that's a fair point about the playoffs and division 3, but I wouldn't mind some counties getting stuck there because it might move them towards semi-professional status. I think one of the problems, as others have said on here, is there are too many counties and the ECB is struggling to prop them all up. No review is daring to touch the question of: are there too many counties?
I don't understand the four-day games in August, either. On the one hand Strauss is saying that he believes, and some players also believe, that too much cricket is played and there isn't enough time for rest and preparation, so the County Championship needs to be slimmed down. On the other hand he's saying 'let's chuck in a few non-competitive games in August, Yorkshire v Zimbabwe, wahey!'
Strauss has added a few more comments this evening in a podcast with the Telegraph:
- Spoiler:
- Now Strauss has told the Telegraph Sport's Vaughany and Tuffers Cricket Club podcast that if English cricket does not change then the best players could turn their backs on the domestic game and cash in on foreign Twenty20 leagues where they can earn more money for less cricket. He has called on county chairs to look beyond self-interest and vote for change.
“Revolution is all our players going off and playing domestic white ball cricket abroad - which, by the way, is not a million miles away,” he said. “We need to be cognisant of this. The world is moving around us, and we can't stick our head in the sand and pretend it isn't.
“There are loads of domestic franchise tournaments out there, likely to be one or two in the English summer starting pretty soon so our players have never had more options. The players as part of this review have said very strongly, ‘We play too much cricket, we don't have enough time to practise and prepare. The schedule is a mess.’ If we don't listen to them then they're going to start voting with their feet.”
Strauss has spent the past few weeks consulting the counties over his ideas, which also includes the option of playing ‘festival week’ four-day friendlies during the Hundred to give county members more first-class cricket and red ball cricketers some match practice.
Under the new schedule, a 50-over knock out competition will start the season in April, with the Blast beginning in May.
He takes his final recommendations to the ECB board on Wednesday, which will be chaired for the first time by Richard Thompson. The board will decide what to propose to the counties in a formal ballot to take place provisionally on Sept 20, although is likely to be delayed for further consultation. The changes will come into force in 2024. A majority of 12 votes is needed.
“I'm hoping that they (counties) don't oppose it,” he said. “The truth is, whenever you talk to anyone in the game, they always look at it from their own point of view, like, what does this mean for me? So if a team finds themselves potentially not in the first division in the championship, they're probably not going to like that very much. And then, of course, you know that they're rightly worried about how their members will feel about potentially playing less four day cricket or not playing as many championship games.
“This is a pragmatic solution to the issues we've got. This is not a revolution because the game's not ready for revolution like that. But if we found ourselves in a situation of paralysis on this, I don't think anyone wins out of that. And I believe that everyone can see their place in this. There's no reason why any team can't see themselves going ‘right we can be in that first division’. There's a way of us getting promoted to get that. But our standards need to improve. We need to improve the quality of our players. We need to improve the quality of our pitches. And ultimately, if we do all of that, we're going to get rewarded better for it. Is that not a good thing? I certainly think it is.”
It is understood there is support for the innovations among the larger counties but others are resisting change that will upset their membership. Strauss has tried to allay their fears.
“What we're saying is we want a smaller first division. The recommendations we put in front of the game of a six team top division,” said Strauss. “We want less championship cricket, but that doesn't mean there's necessarily less first class cricket because I think there's an opportunity to play first class cricket in August during the Hundred window. But ultimately, we can't keep everyone happy. And if we are serious about high performance, we've got to make sure that our domestic structure is ticking that high performance box and we're raising the standard, we're making it more challenging, more intense, we're developing spinners, we're asking bowlers to bowl quicker, we're playing on flatter pitches that will force players to develop the skills they need for international cricket.
“That's what we've got to do here. But there's still going to be loads of cricket. We play more cricket in this country in a shorter season than anyone else in the world by a long way. So it's still going to be loads of cricket for people to watch and and hopefully it'll be better standard and more compelling cricket as well.”
Radical change is not an option because the ECB has sold the Hundred in an August window to broadcasters until 2028 and the counties will not back down on 14 Blast games. It limits what Strauss can do.
“Those constraints are an imposition. We're not starting with a blank sheet of paper, but that doesn't mean there's not a lot of things we can do.”
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Oh and brace yourself, everyone, Alex Hales is coming back because of Bairstow's injury. Whatever he did has required consulting with a lot of different players, but it seems that it's all water under the bridge and Hales is to return for the World Cup. Also means no Will Jacks.
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Duty281 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/06/alex-hales-in-line-for-shock-england-recall-for-t20-world-cup
Oh and brace yourself, everyone, Alex Hales is coming back because of Bairstow's injury. Whatever he did has required consulting with a lot of different players, but it seems that it's all water under the bridge and Hales is to return for the World Cup. Also means no Will Jacks.
In purely cricketing terms probably reasonable - as long as there is not too much bad blood likely to upset the team harmony in the t20 WC. Presume they have discussed it among the group. The fellow can certainly bat in white ball cricket.
But for the future it seems unfortunate that Will Jacks then won't get his chance at a serious tournament. If he stars in the Pakistan warm up games it will seem even more so : a pity they can't wait until after these matches to finalise the squad.
Will Hales be added to the Pakistan touring team ?
Edit : Yes I see he is now officially added to the Pakistan squad as well as named as the YJB replacement for the WC.
So good luck to him ; hope he justifies his call up. Will be a bit embarrassing if , say , he is out-performed by Jacks in Pakistan But I guess that is a risk whenever you pick different players for the warm ups and the main squad at the same time...
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If Hales was your next man up, why wasn’t he in the Pakistan squad to begin with? If you decided his punishment for the off the field stuff is over, then he should have been in the Pakistan squad. Just smacks of making it up as they go along. Why the need to appoint a selector is essential.
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Duty281 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/06/alex-hales-in-line-for-shock-england-recall-for-t20-world-cup
Oh and brace yourself, everyone, Alex Hales is coming back because of Bairstow's injury. Whatever he did has required consulting with a lot of different players, but it seems that it's all water under the bridge and Hales is to return for the World Cup. Also means no Will Jacks.
Bairstow, Roy and Morgan are all absent for different reasons, that's perhaps a consideration in his recall.
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JDizzle wrote:Such a bizarre move. I don’t necessarily disagree with Hales being the best option cricketing wise - but for an England batting line up that needs to get younger in all white ball cricket, Jacks made more sense to me.
If Hales was your next man up, why wasn’t he in the Pakistan squad to begin with? If you decided his punishment for the off the field stuff is over, then he should have been in the Pakistan squad. Just smacks of making it up as they go along. Why the need to appoint a selector is essential.
I think part of the reason is that they're favouring Hales as a purely short-term option for the World Cup, based on his experience in Australia in the Big Bash.
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JDizzle wrote:Stokes was asked his opinion on the Hales recall and his response was ‘we both have the same goal to win World Cups’. Not exactly glowing…
Also in his documentary on Amazon he described Hales as “his friend at that time” - kind of obvious with the Morgan retirement, Roy loss of form, Bairstow injury, now this Hales recall…tumultuous times for the white ball squads. Along also with the bowling injuries, I’m finding it hard to have the same optimism entering this T20 World Cup as I had for UAE last year.
Before we get onto the whole Will Jacks stuff, does this mean Hales comes right into the XI over Salt too?
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- No one likes him.
- Left Stokes high and dry during the Bristol incident.
- Has previous for bumping the night away with his best friend Charlie.
- Caused a ruction right before the 2019 World Cup.
- Blackface.
- Kevin the dog.
- Rumoured to have tried it on with a team-mates other half.
- Did I mention no one likes him?
If England's WT20 campaign falls apart and England are out early, all the blame will be thrown at Hales' door. So there's quite a bit of pressure on him. It's funny really, there's a deciding test match starting tomorrow but all the talk is about Hales, the World Cup, Bairstow's injury, and Strauss' reforms!
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Duty281 wrote:I assume he comes right into the XI. It's a bold selection to just leave him on the bench. Hales' chargesheet:
- No one likes him.
- Left Stokes high and dry during the Bristol incident.
- Has previous for bumping the night away with his best friend Charlie.
- Caused a ruction right before the 2019 World Cup.
- Blackface.
- Kevin the dog.
- Rumoured to have tried it on with a team-mates other half.
- Did I mention no one likes him?
If England's WT20 campaign falls apart and England are out early, all the blame will be thrown at Hales' door. So there's quite a bit of pressure on him. It's funny really, there's a deciding test match starting tomorrow but all the talk is about Hales, the World Cup, Bairstow's injury, and Strauss' reforms!
And the rest, if you believe some of the rumours about him… He has to play. It’s a totally bonkers decision if you aren’t even going to pick him in the First XI.
I see England confirmed that Brook will make his debut tomorrow. I saw him bat vs (a poor) Kent side earlier in the year, and he looked a million dollars. A class above everyone, including Test batters like Malan and Karunaratne. I am excited to see how he goes.
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