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Rest of the World
by alfie Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:45 am
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Blimey...just flicked back to see Australia making a meal of chasing 34 to win. Warner another fail (is that a strong hint that his time is all but done ?)
But also Smith Khawaja and Head gone...29/4 and extras has made 14 of them !
Only need five more so no problem...but SA might wonder what might have been if they'd been able to produce a bit more resistance in that awful second innings.
Supports kingraf's pitch assessment , I guess
Blimey...just flicked back to see Australia making a meal of chasing 34 to win. Warner another fail (is that a strong hint that his time is all but done ?)
But also Smith Khawaja and Head gone...29/4 and extras has made 14 of them !
Only need five more so no problem...but SA might wonder what might have been if they'd been able to produce a bit more resistance in that awful second innings.
Supports kingraf's pitch assessment , I guess
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:04 am
Going from bad to worse for Australia...
Not altogether surprisingly , Pat Cummins is staying in Sydney as his mother is seriously ill , and will miss the Third Test. I won't be surprised if his tour is actually over.
Steve Smith takes over again as skipper. Fortunately Starc is fit now and they didn't make the mistake of sending Morris home as was mooted a little while ago so they do have pace options.
Of course the odds are the next pitch will be rather more use to the spinners so what they really need is Lyon and Murphy to both have a blinder ...
And someone making a lot of runs would be handy
Not altogether surprisingly , Pat Cummins is staying in Sydney as his mother is seriously ill , and will miss the Third Test. I won't be surprised if his tour is actually over.
Steve Smith takes over again as skipper. Fortunately Starc is fit now and they didn't make the mistake of sending Morris home as was mooted a little while ago so they do have pace options.
Of course the odds are the next pitch will be rather more use to the spinners so what they really need is Lyon and Murphy to both have a blinder ...
And someone making a lot of runs would be handy
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:29 pm
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/isle-of-man-in-spain-2022-23-1354796/spain-vs-isle-of-man-6th-t20i-1354803/full-scorecard
Sorry, Galted, you'll have to revise your Sydney Thunder jokes, as the Isle of Man have come in with the new lowest T20 score of all time, with 10 (ten!) all out against the Spanish, featuring six ducks, three of them golden. That scorecard is a treat. Spain managed to chase it down in two balls, smashing two sixes, and the poor bowler also overstepped at one point.
I haven't followed the series between these two cricketing superpowers, amazingly enough, but the Isle of Man seemed to be improving through the series, so this will be a disappointment for them. They were bowled out for 96 and 66 in the opening two games, but recorded 116 and 132 in the two games after. So getting knocked over for 10 in the fifth was a jolt!
Sorry, Galted, you'll have to revise your Sydney Thunder jokes, as the Isle of Man have come in with the new lowest T20 score of all time, with 10 (ten!) all out against the Spanish, featuring six ducks, three of them golden. That scorecard is a treat. Spain managed to chase it down in two balls, smashing two sixes, and the poor bowler also overstepped at one point.
I haven't followed the series between these two cricketing superpowers, amazingly enough, but the Isle of Man seemed to be improving through the series, so this will be a disappointment for them. They were bowled out for 96 and 66 in the opening two games, but recorded 116 and 132 in the two games after. So getting knocked over for 10 in the fifth was a jolt!
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Re: Rest of the World
by Galted Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:53 pm
Duty281 wrote:https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/isle-of-man-in-spain-2022-23-1354796/spain-vs-isle-of-man-6th-t20i-1354803/full-scorecard
Sorry, Galted, you'll have to revise your Sydney Thunder jokes, as the Isle of Man have come in with the new lowest T20 score of all time, with 10 (ten!) all out against the Spanish, featuring six ducks, three of them golden. That scorecard is a treat. Spain managed to chase it down in two balls, smashing two sixes, and the poor bowler also overstepped at one point.
I haven't followed the series between these two cricketing superpowers, amazingly enough, but the Isle of Man seemed to be improving through the series, so this will be a disappointment for them. They were bowled out for 96 and 66 in the opening two games, but recorded 116 and 132 in the two games after. So getting knocked over for 10 in the fifth was a jolt!
Great stuff, Duty. And that's what I call a chase, no f*cking around.
This is probably my favourite scorecard, not sure if it's been mentioned on here before:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/austria-in-belgium-2021-1269834/belgium-vs-austria-2nd-t20i-1269837/full-scorecard
Important to note the score when Belgium's 8th wicket fell.
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:58 pm
That is a beautiful scorecard. Bonus points for the game taking place at Waterloo. Would have been a travesty if Austria had won the game on the basis of scoring 50 from 6 overs.
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Re: Rest of the World
by VTR Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:53 am
Its a shame the Spanish equivalent of Cook/Bell/Trott weren't chasing down 10 to win, that would have been a sight watching them block out the first ten overs, before racing to victory in the twelfth over
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:41 pm
Another test series begins tomorrow, a two-game duel between South Africa and the West Indies, in South Africa.
South Africa experienced a real high when they defeated a visiting India team in early 2022, but they've only won one of their four test series played since then, a home victory over Bangladesh, before losing in England and getting annihilated in Australia. But they can draw a line under that with Bavuma as the new test captain, although the starting XI itself won't see much change. A young fast bowler called Coetzee may debut for them tomorrow, alongside the more familiar Rabada, Nortje and Jansen.
The West Indies should be suitably prepared for this series, as they've just come off a two test battle v Zimbabwe, which they won 1-0, and it's pretty much the same players available. West Indies have a pretty decent record in test cricket recently, winning three of their last four series, although their record in South Africa is historically abysmal (played 15, lost 12, won 1), and they haven't won an away series v a SENA country since 1995, I believe.
Expecting a comfortable South Africa win, I'm sure we all are, but hopefully the West Indies can produce something.
Also got India-Australia resuming on Wednesday.
South Africa experienced a real high when they defeated a visiting India team in early 2022, but they've only won one of their four test series played since then, a home victory over Bangladesh, before losing in England and getting annihilated in Australia. But they can draw a line under that with Bavuma as the new test captain, although the starting XI itself won't see much change. A young fast bowler called Coetzee may debut for them tomorrow, alongside the more familiar Rabada, Nortje and Jansen.
The West Indies should be suitably prepared for this series, as they've just come off a two test battle v Zimbabwe, which they won 1-0, and it's pretty much the same players available. West Indies have a pretty decent record in test cricket recently, winning three of their last four series, although their record in South Africa is historically abysmal (played 15, lost 12, won 1), and they haven't won an away series v a SENA country since 1995, I believe.
Expecting a comfortable South Africa win, I'm sure we all are, but hopefully the West Indies can produce something.
Also got India-Australia resuming on Wednesday.
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:29 pm
Duty281 wrote:https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/isle-of-man-in-spain-2022-23-1354796/spain-vs-isle-of-man-6th-t20i-1354803/full-scorecard
Sorry, Galted, you'll have to revise your Sydney Thunder jokes, as the Isle of Man have come in with the new lowest T20 score of all time, with 10 (ten!) all out against the Spanish, featuring six ducks, three of them golden. That scorecard is a treat. Spain managed to chase it down in two balls, smashing two sixes, and the poor bowler also overstepped at one point.
I haven't followed the series between these two cricketing superpowers, amazingly enough, but the Isle of Man seemed to be improving through the series, so this will be a disappointment for them. They were bowled out for 96 and 66 in the opening two games, but recorded 116 and 132 in the two games after. So getting knocked over for 10 in the fifth was a jolt!
Good article about this in the Telegraph and some interesting points about T20 cricket and associate nations: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/02/27/story-behind-worst-international-cricket-performance-time/
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- “It’s a bit like being stumped,” said Greig Wright, cricket development officer for the Isle of Man. “You might as well be stumped by six feet as by an inch. In the end, this is classed as a loss, no different to any other.”
Wright was referring – with admirable stoicism – to the most remarkable scorecard of this or arguably any other season: the Isle of Man’s 10-wicket defeat to Spain on Sunday.
In a T20 international played at La Manga, Wright’s men were bowled out for 10, with Spain’s opening bowlers Mohammed Kamran and Atif Mehmood collecting four wickets apiece. To make matters worse, the visitors’ opening bowler Joseph Burrows then got off to an iffy start.
“The first ball was off the pitch,” Wright told Telegraph Sport. “It was a wide and a no-ball. Then there was a free hit, which went for six. Next ball: six again. I said ‘Thanks very much, let’s go to the pub.’ Normally we have a no-drinking policy when we’re away, but in this instance I thought that maybe the best medicine comes in a pint glass.”
It is hard to see Spain’s two-ball chase being bettered – or should that be worsened? – in international cricket. It smashed the previous record – previously held jointly by Kenya and Rwanda, who both chased down 32 in 2.3 overs independently in the space of a couple of weeks last year – for the shortest men’s match by a distance.
Wright – a former performance officer at Derbyshire County Cricket Club – described scenes that might have left some coaches with post-traumatic stress. Fortunately, he is a level-headed character with a wry sense of humour.
“We trained quite hard but they had the wood on us from the first ball,” said Wright. “Their opening bowler, Kamran, was a bit too quick for the boys. He and Mehmood, his partner, were quite aggressive. But if you can bowl fast, why not?
“They were both left-arm quicks and they were happy to use both ends of the pitch: full and short, nose and toes. The first wicket went down first ball. Our lad was caught behind – deemed to be off the bat, after the umpire consulted with the square-leg umpire – though he told me it was off the pad, and he’s one of the most honest people I’ve met.
“There was only that one wicket in the first over, but two more in the second, and three in the third. A couple of inswinging yorkers made a bit of a mess of the stumps, though fortunately we were using spring-back stumps, which don’t look quite as bad. One batsman walked for an LBW and said ‘I wasn’t even gonna look up because I knew I was plumb.’ We managed to last about nine overs for those ten runs.
“Fraser Clarke, one of the younger lads, made a 12-ball duck – and it was probably the best 12-ball duck I’ve ever seen. He got hit a couple of times, was tested out on the helmet, but he wore it. Fraser is our 17-year-old leg-spinner, and not what I would call a batter. I’m not sure he had his eyes open, mind you.
“Ed Walker managed a nine-ball nought not out. He’s now nicknamed ‘The Wall’. Ed took our plan to play aggressive cricket to the nth degree in the other direction. But then his father is from Yorkshire, so he is a stubborn bugger. In the end, their seamers ran out of overs, so they threw the ball to a leg-spinner to finish it off with the last two wickets.
“There was some emotion straight after the game, as you can imagine, but you can laugh it off. I told the boys it’s something they won’t experience again. One of the lads is learning Spanish, so I said ‘In 70 years’ time, you can tell your grandkids you played in that game. You don’t have to tell them which side you played on.’”
As you can see, Wright is a good sport – as well as a human embodiment of Kipling’s advice to “treat those twin imposters just the same.” But once we have enjoyed a moment of schadenfreude at the Isle of Man’s expense, we should stop to sketch in some of the context.
The Isle of Man stand 39th in the International Cricket Council’s T20 rankings, having climbed from 77th a year ago with the help of victories over Romania, Serbia and Turkey. They were also blinking their way into the daylight after a winter of indoor nets – even if they found the weather in Spain to be colder, wetter and windier than it had been back home.
They were in Spain for an extremely intensive bilateral series: six T20 matches in three days, which is the most cost-effective way to achieve the minimum activity levels required by the ICC. The two-ball chase came on the last afternoon, after the Isle of Man batsmen – who were hitting the wall by this stage, rather than the ball – had scored a creditable 134 during the morning match. Not that Wright was under any illusions about the quality gap between the teams.
“Our lads in some of the middle games dug in the occasional bouncer,” he said. “To try to give them a bit of their own medicine. But we were fetching it from the next field. It was like we were bowling with a sponge ball, and they’ve got a bouncy ball. Their bats seemed to be six feet wide.
“They only batted first once, and they scored around 180. They did have a very strange method. One lad who got over 100 was batting really nicely. His partner was on 20 off 40, and they retired this second lad out for scoring too slowly, sent in someone else to give it a crack. I’ve never seen that before in international cricket.”
The two nations also have contrasting methods of recruitment. Wright said that only one of the home players “sounded remotely Spanish”, and only one had a Spanish passport, with the others all qualifying by residency. This is increasingly the norm in “associate nation” cricket, with Italy leading the way when it comes to recruiting Australian or South African players like the former Derbyshire batsman Wayne Madsen.
Wright said he has no problem with the way Spain assemble their team, describing the Isle of Man’s opponents as “really nice lads who played well, played hard, and were considerably better than us.” But he was amused to receive a deluge of emails on Sunday night from countries such as India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Saudi Arabia and Dubai.
“These were all people saying ‘I can come and play for the Isle of Man and make you better,’” explained Wright. “But we’d rather stick with our homegrown youngsters.”
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Re: Rest of the World
by sirfredperry Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:42 am
I see the 3rd India-Australia clash is an Indore Test. Pretty short boundaries, then.....
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Re: Rest of the World
by eirebilly_01 Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:04 pm
South Africa are going at a fair rate against the West Indies. 180 /1 off 44 overs.
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:39 pm
Joseph has sparked a mini-collapse, 221/1 to 236/4, and the game becomes interesting.
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Re: Rest of the World
by sirfredperry Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:01 pm
[quote="Duty281"]Joseph has sparked a mini-collapse, 221/1 to 236/4, and the game becomes interesting.[/quote
Good bowling by Joseph, yes. But the collapse was sparked by the stupid run out. Why do Test batters act more poorly than village green cricketers at times?
Good bowling by Joseph, yes. But the collapse was sparked by the stupid run out. Why do Test batters act more poorly than village green cricketers at times?
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:19 pm
South Africa 314/8 at stumps. A good position, but at 221/1 they would have been thinking 450+.
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:08 am
Oh dear, Aussies get Rohit Sharma caught behind first ball of the test...but the umpire says no and they don't review it.
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:47 am
Rohit getting not one but two lives because the Aussies have apparently lost faith in their judgement of reviews
Didn't end up costing much though. India deep in trouble now as Pujara follows the two openers back to the shed ...Lyon getting a lot of turn now ; and with some balls keeping low batting looks anything but easy.
40/3. Jadeja in at five might be a good move as he is unlikely to be too passive...
Didn't end up costing much though. India deep in trouble now as Pujara follows the two openers back to the shed ...Lyon getting a lot of turn now ; and with some balls keeping low batting looks anything but easy.
40/3. Jadeja in at five might be a good move as he is unlikely to be too passive...
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 5:56 am
Ha. Jadeja not going to be active for long either !
Survives an lbw howler call thanks to drs...but then hands his wicket away with a slap to short cover...
India going down like...Australians in India ?
44/4 !
Survives an lbw howler call thanks to drs...but then hands his wicket away with a slap to short cover...
India going down like...Australians in India ?
44/4 !
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Re: Rest of the World
by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:00 am
Lots of turn, clueless batting, good bowling, pathetic umpiring, terrible reviews from Australia. The first hour has had all that, and at the end of it, India are gasping for air at 44-4.
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:05 am
And now it's five down as Shreyas Iyer chops on from Lyon !
That was a daft shot in the circumstances. Really should have a bit of a look first , no ?
I really don't get the hype around Iyer. Beating up on Bangladesh and one good home game against NZ doesn't make him the new Kohli...
46/5. Wow.
That was a daft shot in the circumstances. Really should have a bit of a look first , no ?
I really don't get the hype around Iyer. Beating up on Bangladesh and one good home game against NZ doesn't make him the new Kohli...
46/5. Wow.
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Re: Rest of the World
by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:06 am
They brought in Shubman Gill for KL Rahul, and he looked really good while he was out there, and made 21 in no time, but in terms of the output, not a lot more than KL at the end of the day... Rohit Sharma should have been out first ball of the test, and then 2 balls later. Umpire Nitin Menon fluffed it up both times, and Australia, in line with what they've been doing in the series, made sure they messed up the reviews. Then Sharma got out stumped, charging pedestrian left-armer Matthew Kuhnemann in his very first over. Kuhnemann then did Gill in, and in the battle of the familiar, Cheteshwar Pujara was once again undone by Nathan Lyon! And then came the big blow, Ravindra Jadeja, after surviving another poor umpiring call from Nitin Menon through a successful review, got out next ball, failing to keep one down and getting caught at cover.
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Re: Rest of the World
by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:07 am
Shreyas Iyer, one of the better players of spin in this lineup, fails to deliver. Will India get pass 100? Looks tough at the moment!
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Re: Rest of the World
by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:08 am
Won't be surprised if they get bowled out before lunch!
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:08 am
You wouldn't want to have day four tickets for this one. Or even day three
If India are finding it this hard to bat , how are Australia going to find things when it's their turn ?
We might not have to wait too long to find out , at this rate !
If India are finding it this hard to bat , how are Australia going to find things when it's their turn ?
We might not have to wait too long to find out , at this rate !
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:15 am
Well India do bat deep so I suppose they could still get some sort of respectability into the scorecard...but it is looking very hard work at present .
Kohli , for all his modest returns in recent years , is probably best placed to succeed on this. He will need some support though. Bharat played some lovely shots in the second innings last time ; but this is a whole different challenge.
Heres Murphy ...no doubt itching to join in the fun...
Kohli , for all his modest returns in recent years , is probably best placed to succeed on this. He will need some support though. Bharat played some lovely shots in the second innings last time ; but this is a whole different challenge.
Heres Murphy ...no doubt itching to join in the fun...
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Re: Rest of the World
by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:35 am
The track has turn, and there is bounce. But other than the Pujara one, none of the wickets were of vicious turners. Not enough respect for the conditions from the Indian batters, just gave away their wickets. Rohit, Iyer, Jadeja, and even young Gill were guilty of not valuing their wickets enough. Think they have over confidence in the batting depth... But yet again, if India are to survive this, Ashwin and Axar will have to build up a score for themselves to bowl at, by the look of things... Kohli has brought some sense of calm, but he's not the same Kohli of 3 years ago, and isn't that assured against spin any more. Bharat is chancing his arm a bit and is no Rishabh Pant for sure!
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Re: Rest of the World
by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:38 am
Dale Steyn had India bowled out inside 20 overs to start off a test a few years ago. India were batting more like in a T-20 to start with in this test, but they've survived 20 overs here!
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:49 am
Blink and you miss it , eh ? Leave the room for two minutes to answer the front door and come back to see Kohli has joined the procession...
India will be praying for Axar to produce another serious late order innings.
Bharat certainly seems to want to take the attack back to the Aussie spinners. Might be the best tactic because wicket taking balls seem to be arriving rather often...
India will be praying for Axar to produce another serious late order innings.
Bharat certainly seems to want to take the attack back to the Aussie spinners. Might be the best tactic because wicket taking balls seem to be arriving rather often...
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:57 am
Why do you think the Indian bats are failing to respect the conditions today , msp ? Is it just overconfidence after winning the last two games ?
Because I am really surprised that so many of them have fallen to injudicious shot selection. Especially after that first couple of wickets going down. Might be going to pay a price in this match if Australia can summon a bit of batting sense later...because with the seventh wicket going down now it seems they won't be chasing many !
Because I am really surprised that so many of them have fallen to injudicious shot selection. Especially after that first couple of wickets going down. Might be going to pay a price in this match if Australia can summon a bit of batting sense later...because with the seventh wicket going down now it seems they won't be chasing many !
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Re: Rest of the World
by eirebilly_01 Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:19 am
India may scrape to 110-120 from here but it will be difficult.
Australia, with their failing batting line up and with India's spinners far superior, may struggle badly on this track. Could be over within 2 days...
Australia, with their failing batting line up and with India's spinners far superior, may struggle badly on this track. Could be over within 2 days...
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:58 am
Still happening after lunch...
Umpire review for a stumping reveals that Ashwin had actually edged Kuhnemann behind...so it's 88/8 ; and the young spinner has 4/16 in his second Test
Even 100 in doubt now. Axar might have a swing ?
Umpire review for a stumping reveals that Ashwin had actually edged Kuhnemann behind...so it's 88/8 ; and the young spinner has 4/16 in his second Test
Even 100 in doubt now. Axar might have a swing ?
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:01 am
Actually Umesh having a swing
Deposits Lyon over cow corner to make it 95/8.
Every run counts !
Deposits Lyon over cow corner to make it 95/8.
Every run counts !
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:04 am
Umesh does the same to Murphy (who has , rather oddly , replaced the wicket taker Kuhnemann)
Two sixes in three balls and the hundred is up...and goes again but just a four this time...
Fun while it lasts. 106/8.
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:18 am
All done now as Kuhnemann traps Umesh lbw for a quick fire 17 and then a daft run out ends the innings for a paltry 109.
Five for 16 off nine for Kuhnemann
Aussies off to a great start here. Mark Waugh still pessimistic so he must really not rate the current Australian batting lineup !
They will indeed need to bat much better than last time...
Five for 16 off nine for Kuhnemann
Aussies off to a great start here. Mark Waugh still pessimistic so he must really not rate the current Australian batting lineup !
They will indeed need to bat much better than last time...
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Re: Rest of the World
by sirfredperry Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:23 am
Just how long is this Test going to last? It could be all over well inside two days. So much for Indore cricket. The sooner they play outside the better.
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:34 am
Reckon the seamers are going to just do a lot of fielding here...Ashwin and Jadeja coming straight on with the new ball. Hardly surprising after what we've just seen.
Lbw ? Not out , but review is called...oh this looks bad for Head...yeah that's stone dead.
One down for 12. The on field umpires are having a dreadful day ! Menon and Wilson so not that surprising
Lbw ? Not out , but review is called...oh this looks bad for Head...yeah that's stone dead.
One down for 12. The on field umpires are having a dreadful day ! Menon and Wilson so not that surprising
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:42 am
Oh dear...wasn't Marnus watching the Indian innings ?
Dragged on just like Iyer for a duck.
But no ! His incredible luck saves him - the hooter sounds as Jadeja has overstepped !
That could be a huge moment in the game.
Dragged on just like Iyer for a duck.
But no ! His incredible luck saves him - the hooter sounds as Jadeja has overstepped !
That could be a huge moment in the game.
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 8:54 am
Joel Wilson got one right then though , and India wasted a review. That ball always looked to me to have pitched outside leg.
They may regret punting on that one later as we are likely to see a lot of close calls on this pitch. Plenty of turn for these spinners ...
28/1
They may regret punting on that one later as we are likely to see a lot of close calls on this pitch. Plenty of turn for these spinners ...
28/1
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:10 am
India burning reviews here ... took on the umpires again then but ball missing by a distance.
Not really making good choices today....and worse now as they fail to review one that would have been out ! Marnus' Patent Good Luck Charm still working fine
Aussies on top here at 40/1
Not really making good choices today....and worse now as they fail to review one that would have been out ! Marnus' Patent Good Luck Charm still working fine
Aussies on top here at 40/1
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by VTR Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:17 am
Didn't even realise this had started, quite a bit of cricket on today. Am not writing India off yet, chasing even a hundred could be tricky here!
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by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:38 am
VTR wrote:Didn't even realise this had started, quite a bit of cricket on today. Am not writing India off yet, chasing even a hundred could be tricky here!
Suppose it is a bit early to write India off... but things could hardly have gone worse for them in these first two sessions. Only 40 behind now , Australia , nearing tea. Khawaja diligent , Labuschagne repeatedly lucky...and I reckon India have let the pressure of defending a small score get to them.
I fancy Australia to set up a winning lead from here.
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by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:57 am
Not able to watch this right now - but I see Jadeja has finally bowled Labuschagne : about 95 runs later than he did with that infamous no ball !
At 108/2 Australia trail by just one run : surely they won't mess this one up ?
After the rollercoaster in NZ we just saw , risky to predict a Test Match on day one . But I will be surprised if India are able to turn this one around from here...
At 108/2 Australia trail by just one run : surely they won't mess this one up ?
After the rollercoaster in NZ we just saw , risky to predict a Test Match on day one . But I will be surprised if India are able to turn this one around from here...
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by eirebilly_01 Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:20 pm
India fighting back somewhat. They will be happy if the can keep the first innings deficit to under 150 though.
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Re: Rest of the World
by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:49 pm
Didn't see that last session. But with those late wickets I guess India have pulled it back just a little : if they can knock over Green or Handscomb early tomorrow they may be able to keep the deficit within modest terms. Trouble is the pitch will likely not get any easier so they will need to bat hugely better than they did today to set any sort of a target.
If they do bat as they did today this game could be over in 2 days !
Suspect this pitch might be looked at for a below par report... Australia won't mind too much if they can go 1-2 in the series.
If they do bat as they did today this game could be over in 2 days !
Suspect this pitch might be looked at for a below par report... Australia won't mind too much if they can go 1-2 in the series.
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by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:10 pm
A bit bizarre India prepare these types of pitches, which turn the game into a total lottery. They don't need too, they have a basically unbeatable XI in normal sub continental conditions!
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by alfie Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:39 pm
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:A bit bizarre India prepare these types of pitches, which turn the game into a total lottery. They don't need too, they have a basically unbeatable XI in normal sub continental conditions!
I'm not quite sure they have any more , Olly. They remain obviously very good , especially at home ; but with Rahane gone , Pujara probably on his way out , and Kohli no longer able to produce runs with any consistency , the batting isn't what it was . (Clearly they miss Pant at the moment , which doesn't help !)
They bat very deep and their spinners are excellent. Pretty handy seamers too if no better than many of their rivals. But remember they lost the First Test a couple of years back to a then fairly unremarkable England team before bouncing back in the later games : and it could hardly be denied that a couple of those pitches tended to the extreme too.
I don't blame India , by the way , for preparing conditions to suit. Home advantage should be a thing - though I think it is a pity when it goes too far. The odd spin-fest is fine but I think everyone would prefer to see a bit of variety. And in this case , it does appear to be a pitch not really suitable to a supposed five day contest. And may have come back to bite the home team !
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:48 pm
Haven't seen much of the Aus/Ind game, but certainly interesting to read about the type of pitch. I see India have already burned all their reviews.
West Indies were doing well in their reply to South Africa's 342, at 168/3, but Nortje wrecked the middle and lower order with 5/36, meaning the WI were shot out for 212. Shannon Gabriel hit a 6, which was entertaining.
So a big lead of 130 for the hosts and it's going to require something special from the West Indies seamers to keep this one competitive.
West Indies were doing well in their reply to South Africa's 342, at 168/3, but Nortje wrecked the middle and lower order with 5/36, meaning the WI were shot out for 212. Shannon Gabriel hit a 6, which was entertaining.
So a big lead of 130 for the hosts and it's going to require something special from the West Indies seamers to keep this one competitive.
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by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:14 pm
Think its a bit of over-confidence, besides they don't seem to rate the Australian batting in these conditions too much. And importantly, think they also got caught up with the discourse around the pitch. Yes it was a spinning wicket, and there was lots of turn and bounce as well. But like Australia on day one of the series, India played the pitch in their minds a lot more, and were setting themselves up for a 2 and a bit day finish from the first ball itself. And of course, the Indian batting, unlike the previous generation, is not as good against spin bowling, even the likes of Kuhnemann can register something like 5-16 on day 1, is indicative... He's an honest tryer for sure, but is pretty average in terms of skills. They played him in the mind and at the same time probably didn't rate him too much either.alfie wrote:Why do you think the Indian bats are failing to respect the conditions today , msp ? Is it just overconfidence after winning the last two games ?
Because I am really surprised that so many of them have fallen to injudicious shot selection. Especially after that first couple of wickets going down. Might be going to pay a price in this match if Australia can summon a bit of batting sense later...because with the seventh wicket going down now it seems they won't be chasing many !
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by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:19 pm
Adding to their troubles, the Indian bowling was not consistent enough. R Ashwin had a real off-day by his standards. Jadeja had a mixed day. Got out to a poor shot. Then that crime of a no-ball. And he proceeded to burn all the reviews on stupid calls, before somewhat redeeming himself a bit with all the wickets that have fallen in the Australia.
Axar just hasn't clicked with the ball in the series. Been pretty inconsistent, not able to hit the same spot consistently. Still remains a poor man's Jadeja only, not quite his successor yet.
Axar just hasn't clicked with the ball in the series. Been pretty inconsistent, not able to hit the same spot consistently. Still remains a poor man's Jadeja only, not quite his successor yet.
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by msp83 Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:31 pm
On the SA-WI game. Alzarri Joseph finally have a fifor against his name. Seems in fact its the first time he has taken more than 3 in an innings. There has always been a lot promise around him, good to see him finally delivering on some of it. Has had a good start to the 2nd innings as well.
Another one high on potential rather than actual output yet, Aiden Markram, also having a good game. Backing up his first innings hundred with an unbeaten 35, and holding the innings together... SA would need him and Heinrich Klaasan to put on a few more on the board with some lower order assistance.
Think Bavuma should go back to 5. That's the best spot for him. Keegan Petersen is a top order bat, and had batted 3 and had looked the part against India last year. If they want to bat the new guy at 3, then Petersen should come in at 4 and Temba should stay at 5...
Their new coach seems to rate him, but that guy Senuran Muthusamy doesn't sem anything like a test number 7 for me. And he's nowhere near Maharaj's or Harmer's class with the ball. Invest in Jansen, keep him at 7, and ask Keshav to take more responsibility with the bat. He's clearly capable with the bat though he's prone to leaving his basic sense in the dressing room while going out to bat at times. Then Rabada is decent at 9, and Nortje, and then depending on condition, Harmer or another quick... Still can have the makings of a decent side...
Another one high on potential rather than actual output yet, Aiden Markram, also having a good game. Backing up his first innings hundred with an unbeaten 35, and holding the innings together... SA would need him and Heinrich Klaasan to put on a few more on the board with some lower order assistance.
Think Bavuma should go back to 5. That's the best spot for him. Keegan Petersen is a top order bat, and had batted 3 and had looked the part against India last year. If they want to bat the new guy at 3, then Petersen should come in at 4 and Temba should stay at 5...
Their new coach seems to rate him, but that guy Senuran Muthusamy doesn't sem anything like a test number 7 for me. And he's nowhere near Maharaj's or Harmer's class with the ball. Invest in Jansen, keep him at 7, and ask Keshav to take more responsibility with the bat. He's clearly capable with the bat though he's prone to leaving his basic sense in the dressing room while going out to bat at times. Then Rabada is decent at 9, and Nortje, and then depending on condition, Harmer or another quick... Still can have the makings of a decent side...
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Re: Rest of the World
by king_carlos Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:38 pm
I find the Proteas bowling heavy lineups simultaneously ridiculous and fascinating given their batting weakness. Between their seam depth and 2 quality spinners they should be able to put out a very high quality 4 man attack who are fresh and rested*. The insistence on 5 bowlers with them either having a 5 man tail or a bits and pieces player at 7 is really odd. Backing their strengths taken to the extreme!
Especially vital in Rabada's case given I believe he plays more games a season on average than any other bowler.
Especially vital in Rabada's case given I believe he plays more games a season on average than any other bowler.
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Re: Rest of the World
by Duty281 Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:04 pm
Looks like the West Indies have got themselves back into an outside chance, though the pitch is taking a fair bit more variable bounce. SA 49/4 in the third innings, leading by 179. Markram 35 off 33, but nothing else so far from the South African batting order. Bavuma bagging a pair on captaincy debut, plus debutant de Zorzi recording a golden duck.
Could be interesting if the West Indies are chasing below 250.
Could be interesting if the West Indies are chasing below 250.
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