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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu 24 Aug 2023, 6:58 am

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Smith in the back field worked nicely against Ireland. We could interchange him and Steward on defensive duty but keep both in the backfield to receive kicks. Ford dropping in it one or the other has chased a kick up field.

I'd like to see if given a go as the attack does need an injection of something and the AB tactic isn't a bad one. Ruck speed and security needs a big upgrade though as that is the main element killing our attack.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:40 pm

Quite pleased that fell to Leitch!

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Post by mountain man Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:42 pm

Awful so far. England miles away from best teams at this rate

Compare this to Fiji.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:45 pm

Drop goal time.

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Post by mountain man Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:46 pm

No its keep hold of ball and stop kicking it time.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:46 pm

Wow. Going for the corner. Tight angle from the pen.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:46 pm

Jesus.

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Post by Geordie Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:47 pm

Japan are playing at the huge tempo we know they play at...but Ebgland are getting sucked in and trying to docthe same...silly offloads etc. Don't try to match their game....stock to ours

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Post by hugehandoff Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:47 pm

Fiji for the semis

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Post by mountain man Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:47 pm

Give me strength.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:47 pm

That line-out just sums up England's half. Fortunate that Japan have lacked composure in key moments, otherwise England could be behind.

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Post by mountain man Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:49 pm

Before match I was pretty confident England would win and win quite well. They still might but on first half performance they could easily lose.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:51 pm

It is SO depressing being an England fan right now. No attack strategy, lots of basic mistakes.

I almost WANT us to beaten.

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Post by Yoda Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:52 pm

Ford having a stinker. Can't help but feel Smith may do well with some of the front foot ball ford has had.

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Post by lostinwales Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:54 pm

England will win comfortably. Still a long way to go to make an impact on the competition.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:55 pm

Yoda wrote:Ford having a stinker. Can't help but feel Smith may do well with some of the front foot ball ford has had.

Doubt it. The forwards aren't providing much front foot ball, the ball is slow and it's every phase against a set defence. There's no building pressure through phases either as we knock it on with an alarming regularity.

Can see Smith coming on at 15 to attack from the backfield as the game goes on. Perhaps Steward going to the wing in place of Daly who's been put into space two or three times and kicked it towards the corner every time.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:56 pm

Could easily lose, certainly. But they've got a four point lead despite being dismal, and hopefully they can't be as abject in the second half.

However if Japan get the first try of the second half, and take a lead, I wonder how England will respond to that? Concerning times.

England have just looked a little off the pace, set-piece has been poor, and way too many handling errors resulting from timing issues. Japan haven't been exemplary though. They've made crucial errors trying to attack from deep, and need to be smarter with how they approach the game.

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Post by Morgan75 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:56 pm

Mr Bounce wrote:It is SO depressing being an England fan right now. No attack strategy, lots of basic mistakes.

I almost WANT us to beaten.

I feel the same as a Welshman about Wales 🤦‍�

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:57 pm

Lawes and Marler off on 45 mins for Billy and Genge. Roll the dice and see if we can get some go forward ball in hand.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:57 pm

Thinking back to these sort of situations under Jones you'd be thinking he would be making some changes at half time; Vunipola on? Youngs on to kick a bit more?

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:58 pm

Duty281 wrote:Could easily lose, certainly. But they've got a four point lead despite being dismal, and hopefully they can't be as abject in the second half

I was at Eng vs Fiji. I can assure you they can...

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Post by mountain man Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:58 pm

Exactly, England fortunate Japan been as bad as they are. Against a half decent team England could be 14 points behind by now.

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Post by Heaf Sun 17 Sep 2023, 8:59 pm

I suppose at least those of us that are older remember times when England and Wales were good ...

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Post by Yoda Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:03 pm

We lose our shape so quickly in attack. We have made yards in short yet are fannying around so much on the gain line.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:05 pm

Lots of empty seats at the start of either half.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:05 pm

Japan are the archetypal difficult team to play against. They are committed, unrelenting and will examine teams low on confidence. England just need to get through this.
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Post by hugehandoff Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:05 pm

No edge in the scrums, losing the contact battle, still kicking aimlessly all the time especially in the opposite 22, just woeful woeful woeful stuff. All the positives from the previous game being rapidly thrown away.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:07 pm

Ha. Ironically when a kick is on.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:07 pm

Hands on the floor there like.

Get 1 back with Marchant straight off his feet.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:09 pm

hugehandoff wrote:No edge in the scrums, losing the contact battle, still kicking aimlessly all the time especially in the opposite 22, just woeful woeful woeful stuff. All the positives from the previous game being rapidly thrown away.

It's not aimless. There's clearly a point. It's generally been ineffective but it's not aimless.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:10 pm

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hugehandoff wrote:No edge in the scrums, losing the contact battle, still kicking aimlessly all the time especially in the opposite 22, just woeful woeful woeful stuff. All the positives from the previous game being rapidly thrown away.

It's not aimless. There's clearly a point. It's generally been ineffective but it's not aimless.

More or less worrying that's it all to plan?

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Post by mountain man Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:11 pm

FFS. Endless clueless kicking

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Post by Heaf Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:13 pm

This is amateur hour

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Post by Heaf Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:14 pm

Is that ball made of soap?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:14 pm

Even the commentary team are now fed up with the tactics. I can only imagine the language if Brian Moore was there.

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Post by mountain man Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:15 pm

Crowd booing kicks and fully justified. Awful just awful.

Fine if defending in 22 but not in Japan 22!!!

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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:15 pm

Dreadful from Mitchell.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:15 pm

It's like last week didn't happen, they aren't doing anything! Stop kicking it away!
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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:18 pm

"There's an argument England aren't as good as they were in 2019."

No s**t, Ben.

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Post by hugehandoff Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:18 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
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hugehandoff wrote:No edge in the scrums, losing the contact battle, still kicking aimlessly all the time especially in the opposite 22, just woeful woeful woeful stuff. All the positives from the previous game being rapidly thrown away.

It's not aimless. There's clearly a point. It's generally been ineffective but it's not aimless.

More or less worrying that's it all to plan?

FFS....worst ever England side...clueless and they should all be sacked.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:20 pm

Starting to think Japan might win, as they edge back to within a point.

Would create a similar situation to Pool C, with Japan/Argentina/England all in a tight battle for qualification.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:21 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
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hugehandoff wrote:No edge in the scrums, losing the contact battle, still kicking aimlessly all the time especially in the opposite 22, just woeful woeful woeful stuff. All the positives from the previous game being rapidly thrown away.

It's not aimless. There's clearly a point. It's generally been ineffective but it's not aimless.

More or less worrying that's it all to plan?

Certainly frustrating. Certainly worrying that some of the execution is poor and that when the plan is to attack we can't string phases together and even when we do we are painfully slow.

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Post by mountain man Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:21 pm

Get Ford off and Smith at 10.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:21 pm

I still have no faith in Borthwick and his team of dullards.

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Post by BigGee Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:23 pm

Well that was the bit of luck England needed!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:23 pm

Probably Englands best try in years

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Post by Morgan75 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:23 pm

Unbelievable

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:23 pm

Lol. 2 sumptuous tries now takes us beyond Namibias tally I believe.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:24 pm

Wow, that is harsh on Japan. The initial break was good though.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:25 pm

Some actual nice attack before the very fortuitous header.

Ford finally getting some quick ball to work with.

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Post by Heaf Sun 17 Sep 2023, 9:26 pm

Best pass by an England player all year

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