2013 Summer Transfer Window Thread gets continued another time!

[Dolphin Ziggler]

First topic message reminder :

We are just under three weeks away from the end of the window, when it slams shut, and none of the big names from the Premier League have gone anywhere. Suarez, Rooney, Bale could all leave, but the tables have turned and at least 2 of the 3 look likely to stay where they are. 

Will business slow down as the Premier League season starts this Saturday before a late flurry as panic sets in, squads are closer to confirmation and the window closes?

[Crimey]

Yeah for those laughing at Liverpool being linked with Willian, here is what he had to say:

"There are conversations, and I am hoping in the next few days for an offer from a club like Liverpool," he said.

"If it is Liverpool, then they are a great club. The news came as a real shock, but I'm calm about it and hoping for the best, because I've been told they will help the players to go, if they get a good offer. I am hoping there will be something from Liverpool, because England has a league that I've dreamed of playing in.'

Even I am shocked that Liverpool still have this pull, if we can get him for £30 million and not huge wages then that would be an excellent signing I think. Not sure where he'd fit in, but it'd be a statement signing.

[Crimey]

Glad to see Liverpool sign Cissokho as well, I think it's good to have competition for places and Enrique was getting complacent being the only first team left back at the club, hopefully those two will push each other to do better.

[Guest]

Mignolet
Johnson - Skrtel - Agger - Cissokho
Gerrard - Lucas
Sturridge - Coutinho - Willian
Suarez

Is how I'd line up. Pretty tasty side, could do with better CBs but going forward, lethal.

[Crimey]

I'm gutted to see Scott Parker dropping down into the Championship, why has no Premier League side snapped him up, I'd have thought Parker would have been desperate to force his way back into Roy Hodgson's thinking considering he was first choice for England before his injury. He'd be an excellent signing for any teams from 6-20 in the Premier League and yet it looks like he is going to end up at QPR.

[GSC]

Willian went to Russia to chase the dollar, it's not a massive surprise

[Crimey]

Mignolet
Johnson - Skrtel - Agger - Cissokho
Gerrard - Lucas
Sturridge - Coutinho - Willian
Suarez

Is how I'd line up. Pretty tasty side, could do with better CBs but going forward, lethal.

I don't like Sturridge as a winger at all, I think he's far too selfish with the ball to be somebody who can effectively work on the wing. Selfishness is less of a poor trait for a striker.

My first team would be:

Mignolet

Johnson-Skrtel-Agger-Enrique

Gerrard-Lucas

Willian-Suarez-Coutinho

Sturridge/Aspas

Still think the team looks really weak in central midfield now. I'd be quite happy with that team though, think a Willian signing would certainly be a statement. Not sure whether the board will allow the club to spend £30 million on one player though considering the issues in the past, certainly not without selling somebody first despite the fact that net spend has been very low this year.

[Guest]

Willian went to Russia to chase the dollar, it's not a massive surprise

No-one had to chase the dollar in Russia, they were chucking 'em about like confetti at a Wedding

[Guest]

I'm gutted to see Scott Parker dropping down into the Championship, why has no Premier League side snapped him up, I'd have thought Parker would have been desperate to force his way back into Roy Hodgson's thinking considering he was first choice for England before his injury. He'd be an excellent signing for any teams from 6-20 in the Premier League and yet it looks like he is going to end up at QPR.

World Cup season, quality midfielder, cheap, what a player he'd have been for Fulham / Stoke / Villa / Cardiff / Hull / Palace / Norwich / Everton / Swansea.

But especially for Stoke, he'd be brilliant for them.

[Crimey]

Literally anybody from 6-20 should be looking to snap him up, I wouldn't mind him at Liverpool. It's like when top players move to Russia, seeing Scott Parker move to QPR would be really disappointing.

[Bull]

Bull, who is 'us' this time? Some turkish team? United? Or are you also a Wolfsburg 'fan'?

I am also a Wolfsburg fan :Dhave the kit as well!

[Fernando]

Ill presume that means the Siquera deal is off with Cissokho coming in.

[Guest]

Okay, I won't talk about Arsenal or Wenger again. I apologise. I don't have something against Arsenal, I want them to do well and I really thought this summer was the defining moment for Wenger's last attempt, before retirement, to really go for a title. That's all.

As for Willian, bloody hell. If that goes through that's an astonishing signing. It's still a big IF. He can say all he wants, like Aubamayang saying that Newcastle were a great club and he wanted to join......ended up at Dortmund. Can see a big side coming in for Willian but if Liverpool can secure the deal, then Rodgers' bacon might have just been saved. Does indeed look a tasty line up. Can Newcastle have Jose Enrique back please?

[GSC]

Bent join Fulham.

Parker is a fairly average player, let him chase the dollar

[Fernando]

Im surprised Citeh haven't moved for Willian by now tbh could use a better LW then Nasri.

[GSC]

Jovetic will probably cut in off the left side I'd think

[Crimey]

Yeah I expect City to line up something like:

Negredo/Dzeko

Jovetic-Aguero-Silva

Toure-Fernandinho

Clichy-Natasatic-Kompany-Zabaleta

Hart

I think Nasri will struggle to force his way into the first team with Navas probably being ahead of him as well.

[Guest]

Aguero

Jovetic-Silva-Navas

Fernandinho-Toure

Clichy-Nastasic-Kompany-Zabaleta

Hart

For me.

[Fernando]

Still interested to know where Liverpool has found this 30m from considering most their signing have been relatively cheap so far this summer.

[Guest]

Aguero

Jovetic-Silva-Navas

Fernandinho-Toure

Clichy-Nastasic-Kompany-Zabaleta

Hart

For me.

Still think that line up struggles for goals, Silva doesn't score, Navas doesn't score, Jovetic is like 35 goals in well over 100+ apps......alot of pressure on Aguero or Dzeko. Centrally Fernandinho & Yaya will alternate holding duty but neither one of them is prolific. Am I talking nonsense? Also, one injury to Kompany and it's good night title challenge.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

http://twitpic.com/d8m2pp

Appears Elmander is coming to the Nodge

[Guest]

I see it entirely differently John.

- Aguero is a 30 goal scorer if he stays fit and plays every game
- Jovetic is good for 12-15
- Silva is due a better season and can chip in 8-10
- Navas had a strange season last season but in a counter attacking side can also chip in 6-10
- Toure is good for 8-10
- Fernandinho will get a couple
- the back four can chip in with another 6-10

So I count 70-85 goals from the first XI, plus the likes of Negredo, Nasri, Dzeko, Milner off the bench = 85-100 goals for me. And that could win them the title.

[Guest]

Bad signing, that's a let down after what's come before in my opinion.

[Guest]

I'd concur, Elmander is a stroppy get who won't like being backup to RVW and Hooper.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Meh I don't mind it, not every signing is gonna be an amazing young player. He brings some experience of the PL to the forwards, and offers a different option off the bench. Cheap as well.

Not sure where Azzy has got this sweeping generalisation he's a stroppy git from...

[GSC]

Aye I'm with Azzy and John there

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Looks like it may be a fan/parody account I might have jumped the gun a bit...

[Guest]

Olly:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/07/01/2555900/ex-bolton-striker-johan-elmander-criticises-former-boss-owen

I seem to recall Bolton fans moaning about Elmander when he went 9 MONTHS without scoring; saying he had a bad attitude, put on weight, and was fleecing the club.

[Holymiky]

I think that Negredo will play some more games than suggested, I think there will be nearly an even split in terms of games played for the strikers.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Olly:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/07/01/2555900/ex-bolton-striker-johan-elmander-criticises-former-boss-owen

I seem to recall Bolton fans moaning about Elmander when he went 9 MONTHS without scoring; saying he had a bad attitude, put on weight, and was fleecing the club.

So after he left the club he had a go at the manager for playing him out of position? Surely if he was such a stroppy git he'd have refused to play no?

Bolton fans I've seen on twitter seemed to like him...

I'd rather have him coming off the bench than Becchio. If it happens (and that account is real)

[Guest]

That's what worries me for them. Negredo will play alot of games because of the Navas link and that will upset the rhythm of Dzeko or Aguero having to deal with rotation. Had the discussion with Azzy, I just feel that there's too much creativity and not that out and out goal-scoring threat from midfield. Jovetic barely got over 10-12 a season in Serie A, new to the league and is predictable cutting in on his right foot, Silva is not a goal scorer and Navas barely scores 5 league goals a season at Sevilla. Just my opinion.

[Guest]

Bolton fans like him because of his last season there. His first two seasons were dreadful, and they were begging clubs to take him off them. He came good, but his attitude was very poor. I've several Bolton fans as friends from uni days, and my FB timeline was filled with expletives about the guy.

I cannot wait for this season to start. I've not been this excited about PL football since that glorious summer where Spurs signed Klinsmann.

[Crimey]

I just can't see them leaving Negredo and Dzeko out next year for the majority of games, which makes me think Aguero will play deeper allowing him to influence the play more as a second striker. Also think it depends on who they're playing, I'd have thought the likes of Navas and Milner will get more time against the stronger sides as Pellegrini will want a more disciplined side capable of attacking with pace on the break where as against weaker sides they can afford to play with a lot more attacking players.

I think City will be fine for goals, if Aguero can hit form this year then he can push 30 league goals for sure. Dzeko is always good for quite a few goals as well, he was scoring them even when not regularly starting games and think that he'll play more this year so might actually push 20 league goals. I'm not sure where Negredo fits in for me, Aguero and Jovetic can both play deeper but Negredo is too similar to Dzeko for me without being proven. Think he may have harmed his chances for the World Cup moving to City, unlike Soldado who should be on for scoring quite a few goals as the main forward at Spurs.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

City will manage their players with more rotation up front than any other side. Aguero is still the top quality man, but I think Pellegrini will shuffle his pack accordingly.

Allardyce reportedly spotted with Defoe last night. No idea why, I stand by the point he may as well be a sub at Spurs if he is gonna be a sub with us. Love him at the club again, never booed him myself, but it is a risk for him. We will play less games than Spurs, he needs to be hoping Carroll has another bad year for injuries. Whether or not that is likely to happen, it seems odd to move on the hope the guy ahead of you gets injured.

[Fernando]

Falcao has been transfer listed by Monaco

[Fernando]

MARCA repor that Jorge Mendes has reintroduced his prize asset Rademel Falcao back into the transfer market, just weeks after he signed for the Principality club, and all the big players – Real Madrid, Chelsea, Manchester United have been sounded out by the super agent.

It appears too much is being spent on huge tax-free salaries, and that Monaco are essentially haemorrhaging cash that even their Russian magnate Rybolovlev can’t afford.

By creating a fiscal paradise, Monaco were always going to run this risk, but no one expected for it to come crashing down so soon, before the season even started.

There’s also the issue of moving a player twice in one window, but in the case of Falcao, owned by a Third Party group, transparency is not exactly top of the agenda…

[Dolphin Ziggler]

That was my wonder, the rule of playing so many places in a year. Cos its not done by season is it, its done by year? Let alone moves in a window too...

[Guest]

Technically the season has begun, but hey ho

I hope the club go bust tbh. FIFA and UEFA really need to stop this sugar daddy approach to football. Maybe if they introduced financial incentives to clubs who met financial rules?

Say, the next TV deal for the Premier League, only 75% of it is distributed at the outset - the other 25% is linked to the clubs' financial performance, such as capping wages at 60% of income, average price of season ticket increases over a 3-5 year period, or other things such as % of games played by English players. In doing so, clubs that are well-run would get the rewards.

And any money left over could be distributed to lower league clubs, helping to close the gap.

Falcao to City, Dzeko to Arsenal?

[The Special Juan]

Oh dear, bye bye Monaco. My heart bleeds for them

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Well, the Premier League punish sides. On a basic level, you can increase your wage spend by £4m a year and then more down to what sponsorship deals etc. Thats why West Ham now need to sell before we get anyone in, its not the fees, its the wage bill. If we over spend our £52m a year, we get points deducted. Next year that will increase by £4m.

[Duty281]

Falcao has been transfer listed by Monaco

If true (it's Marca after all) then 'ere we go again.

Moyes could get shot of Rooney to Chelsea, and have Falcao as the replacement.

[Guest]

Unbelievable story. Falcao available would automatically put Florentino Perez on alert, absolutely loves him and would be the ideal striker for Madrid, after the exit of Higuain. Bale is not going anywhere, fee is ridiculous, therefore Falcao would be the next option.

What were Monaco thinking? Another example of an embarrassing, clueless, impatient foreign ownership of a football club.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Love the thought of Arsenal throwing in a panic bid, only to find late in the window that he cannot play for them.

[Sam]

Falcao has been transfer listed by Monaco

If true (it's Marca after all) then 'ere we go again.

Moyes could get shot of Rooney to Chelsea, and have Falcao as the replacement.

Or Chelsea get Falcao and Rooney stays at United .

Wasn't there talk a couple of weeks ago that Falcao is actually 29 instead of 27 or did I dream that up? - If so did that get resolved?

[Fernando]

TBF to Monaco they would of been fine but the FFA have forced them to move their headquarters into France which invokes a 75% tax clause on wages.

[Guest]

Does this mean a premature end to the Falcao vs Cavani goal-scoring duel?  

What a mess Monaco have created. Madrid would be favourites for his signature, if he was allowed to move and eligible to play this season.

[CFCNick]

Amidst the Monaco meltdown thought I'd offer my two pence worth on the Cissokho deal.

*** Transfer Shock ***
Frenchman moves to Premier League and DOESN'T join Newcastle

[Duty281]

Falcao has been transfer listed by Monaco

If true (it's Marca after all) then 'ere we go again.

Moyes could get shot of Rooney to Chelsea, and have Falcao as the replacement.

Or Chelsea get Falcao and Rooney stays at United .

Wasn't there talk a couple of weeks ago that Falcao is actually 29 instead of 27 or did I dream that up? - If so did that get resolved?

He's still listed as 27 on wikipedia, but no, you didn't dream it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2374884/Falcao-documents-Colombia-suggest-Monacos-53million-striker-29-27.html

[Guest]

Amidst the Monaco meltdown thought I'd offer my two pence worth on the Cissokho deal.

*** Transfer Shock ***
Frenchman moves to Premier League and DOESN'T join Newcastle

Strange aswell, seeing as we need a left back because Santon can't defend and is actually right-footed.

[Sam]

Falcao has been transfer listed by Monaco

If true (it's Marca after all) then 'ere we go again.

Moyes could get shot of Rooney to Chelsea, and have Falcao as the replacement.

Or Chelsea get Falcao and Rooney stays at United .

Wasn't there talk a couple of weeks ago that Falcao is actually 29 instead of 27 or did I dream that up? - If so did that get resolved?

He's still listed as 27 on wikipedia, but no, you didn't dream it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2374884/Falcao-documents-Colombia-suggest-Monacos-53million-striker-29-27.html

Has this situation been cleared up? Not sure people would like to buy a player they don't know the correct age of. What are the transfer laws around moving to another club in the same transfer window? Where looks like a likely destination?

[Duty281]

Falcao has been transfer listed by Monaco

If true (it's Marca after all) then 'ere we go again.

Moyes could get shot of Rooney to Chelsea, and have Falcao as the replacement.

Or Chelsea get Falcao and Rooney stays at United .

Wasn't there talk a couple of weeks ago that Falcao is actually 29 instead of 27 or did I dream that up? - If so did that get resolved?

He's still listed as 27 on wikipedia, but no, you didn't dream it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2374884/Falcao-documents-Colombia-suggest-Monacos-53million-striker-29-27.html

Has this situation been cleared up? Not sure people would like to buy a player they don't know the correct age of. What are the transfer laws around moving to another club in the same transfer window? Where looks like a likely destination?

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/224943.html

His birth certificate appears to confirm that he's 27, not 29. Monaco were probably relieved to say the least!

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