Mike Phillips on the booze again

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Mike Phillips, scrum-half for Bayonne and Wales, faces action for being 'drunk' during a training session

Wales scrum-half Mike Phillips in trouble with club Bayonne following his alleged drunkeness during a video analysis session

ScarletSpiderman

The phrase you highlighted refers to me in my job not to Phillips. Sorry if it was not clear

TJ. Are you at work right now?

He's down the juicer for happy hour!

Right, all this talk of booze. I'm off down the pub.

Griff wrote:He's down the juicer for happy hour!

I think he must have realised that posting all day on this site while at work is pretty unprofessional and gone back to work which is what I probably should do.

GunsGerms wrote:TJ. Are you at work right now?

Nope - posting on here at work would have me disciplined if it were possible.  Day off today. Posting on here while skiving off the houswork

TJ wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:TJ. Are you at work right now?

Nope - posting on here at work would have me disciplined if it were possible.  Day off today. Posting on here while skiving off the houswork

Youre a better man than I am.

It used to be a requirement in my job to bring clients out for a boozy lunch. Then back to the office in the afternoon for a couple of hours.
On a Friday afternoon management would bring in some nicely chilled beers for the staff to enjoy at their desks from around 3pm until they finished work at 5. There was usually more booze on offer in the pub next door all on the company tab.
I really, really, really miss the Celtic Tiger.

What - for skiving off the housework?

What about drunken posting on here? Surely that never happens

Submachine wrote:
I really, really, really miss the Celtic Tiger.

Mike Phillips doesn't even know it ended!

rodders wrote:

Submachine wrote:
I really, really, really miss the Celtic Tiger.

Mike Phillips doesn't even know it ended!

Who needs the celtic tiger when you are a British Lion anyway?

Submachine wrote:It used to be a requirement in my job to bring clients out for a boozy lunch. Then back to the office in the afternoon for a couple of hours.
On a Friday afternoon management would bring in some nicely chilled beers for the staff to enjoy at their desks from around 3pm until they finished work at 5. There was usually more booze on offer in the pub next door all on the company tab.
I really, really, really miss the Celtic Tiger.

You owe the hard pressed tax payer for every damn one of those company bought beers!!

And don't attempt to flee the country! There are no more salubrious mansions available on the east coast of America with all the ex-bankers renting them.

Rubbish fly those beers came straight from the Caman Islands account at no expense to the taxpayer!   

SecretFly wrote:

Submachine wrote:It used to be a requirement in my job to bring clients out for a boozy lunch. Then back to the office in the afternoon for a couple of hours.
On a Friday afternoon management would bring in some nicely chilled beers for the staff to enjoy at their desks from around 3pm until they finished work at 5. There was usually more booze on offer in the pub next door all on the company tab.
I really, really, really miss the Celtic Tiger.

You owe the hard pressed tax payer for every damn one of those company bought beers!!

And don't attempt to flee the country!  There are no more salubrious mansions available on the east coast of America with all the ex-bankers renting them.

No a banker my man. Many other cogs in the economy were greased by a sup and a sandwich.

Caman Island beer???

So the staff got screwed too?

I saw a job advertised in the London area the other day, a fairly respectable sort of job (to do with research and academic journals). One of the things in the list of 'benefits' along with holiday entitlement and private health care was 'regular Friday beer o'clocks'?!!!

TJ wrote:If anyone at my work ( healthcare) shows up drunk they are immediately suspended and will face disciplinary action and may well be sacked.  Gross professional misconduct.

I would suspend Philips and his continued employment would be on the provision of completing a treatment and testing programme. its not his first time being drunk is it?

Me too. Someone was fired where I work for showing up repeatedly smelling of drink. I can't think of anywhere I've worked where this would be acceptable.

And the boss of Bayonne Afflelou has taken a very dim view of their actions, saying: : "I'm furious - outraged. This is unacceptable and not worthy of a professional player.

"It shows a lack of respect for the club's partners and the public. This is not the first time and we are sick of it. It's shameful."

http://www.espn.co.uk/france/rugby/story/203315.html

TJ wrote:

And the boss of Bayonne Afflelou has taken a very dim view of their actions, saying: : "I'm furious - outraged. This is unacceptable and not worthy of a professional player.

"It shows a lack of respect for the club's partners and the public. This is not the first time and we are sick of it. It's shameful."

http://www.espn.co.uk/france/rugby/story/203315.html

maybe gunsgerms can get him a spot at Leinster?

TJ what I was getting at is the definition of drunk. To some it means slurred words, falling over etc, to others it means that they would fail a breath test and all the shades of grey inbetween. If it is a case of Mike turning up slurring his words then he deserves the book thrown at him, if its bloodshot eyes and an eversion to loud or high pitch noises then have a quiet word. And if it is a case of him being just over the drink drive limit (but hasn't driven in), then providing he is alert and paying attention then I can see no harm.

I guess in your line of business, dealing with the public etc, a zero tolerance approach makes sense.

You would think that, if he had been in a fit enough state to do his job, no-one would have noticed and so there wouldn't be an issue.

If they were able to see that he was still under the influence then he must have been affected enough to show that. I would think that any employer would take a dim view of any employee turning up for work too drunk to do their job properly.

quinsforever wrote:

TJ wrote:

And the boss of Bayonne Afflelou has taken a very dim view of their actions, saying: : "I'm furious - outraged. This is unacceptable and not worthy of a professional player.

"It shows a lack of respect for the club's partners and the public. This is not the first time and we are sick of it. It's shameful."

http://www.espn.co.uk/france/rugby/story/203315.html

maybe gunsgerms can get him a spot at Leinster?

How would I be able to get him a place at Leinster. Idiotic comment. Are you 12?

No point comparing apples with bananas - most employers will have a code of conduct for their employees, Mike has breached his and therefore will face some consequences. He's done this before so knows the craic.

The fact that another employer would be more or less lenient is neither here nor there.

Just like on the 'Welsh have sold out' thread (or words to that effect), we're jumping to conclusions here yet again. The moral outrage is ridiculous on this site, when the facts are not known. We do not know if he was just a bit hungover and not very interested in the video session (bad, but not a hanging offense), or whether he was steaming and couldn't string a sentence together (bad, and perhaps a sackable offense). Until we do know the facts, it's pointless trying to decide the punishment and play the jury.

His hearing was yesterday?

Griff wrote:Just like on the 'Welsh have sold out' thread (or words to that effect), we're jumping to conclusions here yet again.  The moral outrage is ridiculous on this site, when the facts are not known.  We do not know if he was just a bit hungover and not very interested in the video session (bad, but not a hanging offense), or whether he was steaming and couldn't string a sentence together (bad, and perhaps a sackable offense).  Until we do know the facts, it's pointless trying to decide the punishment and play the jury.

Agreed. Not enough is known. Also ththis could also boil down to the possibility that the French having a slightly different attitude to drink than in the UK or Ireland.

http://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/ofbreves_-Bayonne-Phillips-vers-un-licenciement-_toutes-10856879_filInfosport.Htm

OK, I really need whocares, but from this it looks like they had the hearing but they will not discuss the findings until after 48 hours of reflection.

Whoever wrote this piece seems to be saying that all 3 were worse for wear at the Video briefing, but that the twqo New Zealanders were cleared to train in the afternoon - and that one of them does not drive (struggling a bit here with translating).

Purely the writers opinion but he seems to suggest that Phillips may actually be fired - or again my French is really bad.

That would seem to be what it says right enough, but then again, my French isn't that great either.

GunsGerms wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

TJ wrote:

And the boss of Bayonne Afflelou has taken a very dim view of their actions, saying: : "I'm furious - outraged. This is unacceptable and not worthy of a professional player.

"It shows a lack of respect for the club's partners and the public. This is not the first time and we are sick of it. It's shameful."

http://www.espn.co.uk/france/rugby/story/203315.html

maybe gunsgerms can get him a spot at Leinster?

How would I be able to get him a place at Leinster. Idiotic comment. Are you 12?

actually i think it was precisely as idiotic as your comment regarding leinster. if you miss the irony of that i cant be held responsible for your lack of comprehension. i have noticed how its always the insecure young posters who start throwing around accusations about someone's age to try to undermine anything they say. bravo.

Quins - you mainly make good points even when I disagree. In my view its best not to react to childish comments altho I find it hard not to. Lets try not to play the man eh?

quinsforever wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

TJ wrote:

And the boss of Bayonne Afflelou has taken a very dim view of their actions, saying: : "I'm furious - outraged. This is unacceptable and not worthy of a professional player.

"It shows a lack of respect for the club's partners and the public. This is not the first time and we are sick of it. It's shameful."

http://www.espn.co.uk/france/rugby/story/203315.html

maybe gunsgerms can get him a spot at Leinster?

How would I be able to get him a place at Leinster. Idiotic comment. Are you 12?

actually i think it was precisely as idiotic as your comment regarding leinster. if you miss the irony of that i cant be held responsible for your lack of comprehension. i have noticed how its always the insecure young posters who start throwing around accusations about someone's age to try to undermine anything they say. bravo.

Are you still bitter about Leinster exposing Quin's cheating or something?

You go on a rant because I reference the team I support. You're a very strange person.

bad tempered boards today?

MrsP wrote:That would seem to be what it says right enough, but then again, my French isn't that great either.

thats right. licenciement is a fairly specific french term relating to employment law/contracts. the process they have followed, of 2 day reflection period, follows the legally required path.

"L'employeur ne peut pas licencier le salarié à l'issue de l'entretien. Il doit respecter un délai de réflexion entre l'entretien préalable et l'envoi de la lettre de licenciement :
L'ordonnance no 2004-602 du 24 juin 2004 (JO du 26 juin 2004) modifiant l'article L.1232-6 (anciennement L.122-14-1) prévoit que le délai de notification du licenciement pour motif personnel est de 2 jours ouvrables à compter de l'entretien."

so yes, in theory they can fire him for cause. the article would be mentioning this as a possibility because the club initiated the disciplinary interview and specifically mentioned the 2 day period of reflection to the media.

VietGwentRevisited wrote:bad tempered boards today?

 

TJ wrote:Quins - you mainly make good points even when I disagree.   In my view its best not to react to childish comments altho I find it hard not to.  Lets try not to play the man eh?

i also find it hard not to TJ...when the mans on the wrong side of the ruck and all that...

*sniggers* We need a smilie for that

TJ wrote:Quins - you mainly make good points even when I disagree.   In my view its best not to react to childish comments altho I find it hard not to.  Lets try not to play the man eh?

Go back to your housework TJ. Quins is quite capable of posting childish comments unprovoked. It would appear he has some sort of vendetta v Leinster as my casual reference to Leinster kicked it all off.

What's Phillips' form like at the moment?

He was getting booed for periods at Bayonne last season. Is this an opportunity to ditch him?

Cyril wrote:What's Phillips' form like at the moment?

He was getting booed for periods at Bayonne last season. Is this an opportunity to ditch him?

Dont understand why he would he want to play for Bayonne anyway? They are bottom of the top14 and always in a relegation scrap. Surely a Lion like Philips would want to be playing in the HCup year in year out.

did i miss some fireworks this morning on the other headbanging thread? was just catching up and it felt like some gaps then i got to this post from a moderator...

I have removed numerous posts from this thread in an effort to get it back on track....etc

Load of stupid personal attacks on the welsh clubs thread. tempers boiling over allround and plenty of careless use of the boot

TJ wrote:Load of stupid personal attacks on the welsh clubs thread.  tempers boiling over allround and plenty of careless use of the boot

and did ye give as good as ye got TJ?  

I am not answering that on legal advice

 

Cut the needless school yard stuff please. Lets just stick to whether Mike Phillips is the devil incarnate, a raging alcoholic and in need of banning for life from rugby, or if he is just a poor west walian that is getting needlessly victimised by the press.

Neither SS he just needs to grow up & act more professionally. I suspect it requires more than a flea in his ear though.

BigTrevsbigmac wrote:Neither SS he just needs to grow up & act more professionally. I suspect it requires more than a flea in his ear though.

Yeah I agree to be honest, but you know this place, two far extremes arguing and refusing to accept there is a middle ground.

Come back home to the Blues, Mike  

gcBlues wrote:Come back home to the Blues, Mike  

I agree with that, but surely home would be in the far west? That said maybe the Dragons could have him, work for Lyn again, and he can then feel proud to have represented all of the regions (only Tal Selley has done that so far).