Ireland v England - Six Nations Round 4, 9 March 2024

by Pot Hale Mon 04 Mar 2024, 4:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

Ireland supremely confident of having any answers to questions that England will pose, according to Bernard Jackman.

Stephen Jones wants lots of bish and bosh and no training. Stuart Barnes wants Ben Earl in midfield. Dallaglio wants them to get in some players faces and annoy them a lot.

Farrell doesn't know yet if he'll have Ringrose and Keenan back to consider for squad selection and thus the make up of his bench for 6-2 or 5-3.

Borthwick has two players back for his half-back partnership and the opportunity to continue with Furbank at 15.

No real shots have been fired yet but it's only Monday.

Teams

England
Furbank, Feyi-Waboso, Slade, Lawrence, Freeman, Ford, Mitchell
Genge, George, Cole, Itoje, Martin, Chessum, Underhill, Earl
Dan, Marler, Stuart, Cunningham-South, Dombrandt, Care, Smith, Daly

Ireland
Keenan, Nash, Henshaw, Aki, Lowe, Crowley, Gibson-Park
Porter, Sheehan, Furlong, Beirne, McCarthy, O'Mahony, vd Flier, Doris
Kelleher, Healy, Bealham, Henderson, Conan, Baird, Murray, Frawley

by Duty281 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:38 pm

Reminds me of the SA game at the World Cup.

England giving it a good go with a set gameplan, but haven't quite made their control count on the scoreboard. SA won it from the bench and I think Ireland will pull away with the bench.

by carpet baboon Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:39 pm

Heaf wrote:Just looked back at the Porter knock-on under the posts - 100% deliberate. Without that Genge is under the posts - should have been a PT and YC - not a peep from the TMO of course.

Christ is it "always" the TMO/refs fault?? England have got away with a good few things too.

How will England cope knowing they have played their best rugby so far and are still behind?

by Geordie Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:39 pm

Martin and Underhill unreal physicality.

Good first half. Shows what England are trying to build..

I think Ireland will win this but if we can do the same again second half and keep it close I can accept that.

by Yoda Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:39 pm

There are good signs from the first 40 for England. We just need to keep on attacking, now is not the time to go into our shells.

by mountain man Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:40 pm

Feyi-Wasobo a breath of fresh air. Maybe his kicking game not what Daly has but I know who I prefer on pitch.

Issue now is can England maintain that effort in second half.

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:40 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
Heaf wrote:Just looked back at the Porter knock-on under the posts - 100% deliberate. Without that Genge is under the posts - should have been a PT and YC - not a peep from the TMO of course.

Christ is it "always" the TMO/refs fault?? England have got away with a good few things too.

How will England cope knowing they have played their best rugby so far and are still behind?

Not always but that was poor - pretty clear from the replay and should have been picked up.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:41 pm

mountain man wrote:Hmm Furbank a few errors

George Fluffbank I've seen coined elsewhere.

by Yoda Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:42 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
Heaf wrote:Just looked back at the Porter knock-on under the posts - 100% deliberate. Without that Genge is under the posts - should have been a PT and YC - not a peep from the TMO of course.

Christ is it "always" the TMO/refs fault?? England have got away with a good few things too.

I think they will be happy as Ireland haven't scored a try yet and let's be honest that is impressive as Ireland usually get the gears grinding earlier.

There's been some ferocious hits from both sides so they are definitely up for this. Very entertaining stuff.

How will England cope knowing they have played their best rugby so far and are still behind?

by formerly known as Sam Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:44 pm

Geordie wrote:Martin and Underhill unreal physicality.

Good first half. Shows what England are trying to build...

Yeah, Borthwick has taken a lot of unfair flack so far this tournament. Hopefully now we're getting closer to executing the style of play he wants fans and the media might lay off.

by Cumbrian Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:44 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
Heaf wrote:Just looked back at the Porter knock-on under the posts - 100% deliberate. Without that Genge is under the posts - should have been a PT and YC - not a peep from the TMO of course.

Christ is it "always" the TMO/refs fault?? England have got away with a good few things too.

How will England cope knowing they have played their best rugby so far and are still behind?

I guess it is a little frustrating that every time we've played you lately the TMO has chimed in and one our players have been sent off (really erroneously on one occasion), it heightens some people's feelings on the matter. Saying that, I'm not sure there was anything in the incident, I don't remember noticing it live.

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:46 pm

Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Referee : Nika Amashukeli
Assistant Referee 1 : Andrea Piardi
Assistant Referee 2 : Craig Evans
TMO : Ben Whitehouse

Not much better tbh

Look back at England's try. Slade in front looking at the tackler and blocking. They're not biased against England. Feyi-Waboso tackle knocking the ball forward and England scrum called around the 22. People make mistakes the officials aren't out to get anyone.

Take a look at the Mitchell 'knock-on' under their posts - Ireland knocked that on, possibly deliberate = PT and YC

Was an Ireland knock on. Definitely just a knock on though neither a yellow a pen or a pen try.

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:48 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
Geordie wrote:Martin and Underhill unreal physicality.

Good first half. Shows what England are trying to build...

Yeah, Borthwick has taken a lot of unfair flack so far this tournament. Hopefully now we're getting closer to executing the style of play he wants fans and the media might lay off.

We're still on for 5th or 6th. He's getting undue leniency so far.

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:49 pm

Cumbrian wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
Heaf wrote:Just looked back at the Porter knock-on under the posts - 100% deliberate. Without that Genge is under the posts - should have been a PT and YC - not a peep from the TMO of course.

Christ is it "always" the TMO/refs fault?? England have got away with a good few things too.

How will England cope knowing they have played their best rugby so far and are still behind?

I guess it is a little frustrating that every time we've played you lately the TMO has chimed in and one our players have been sent off (really erroneously on one occasion), it heightens some people's feelings on the matter. Saying that, I'm not sure there was anything in the incident, I don't remember noticing it live.

It's on about 12.5 minutes - Mitchell tries to offload for Genge to run in under the posts and Porter clearly slaps the ball down ... to be fair maybe tricky to pick up in live play but the replay was clear.

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:49 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Referee : Nika Amashukeli
Assistant Referee 1 : Andrea Piardi
Assistant Referee 2 : Craig Evans
TMO : Ben Whitehouse

Not much better tbh

Look back at England's try. Slade in front looking at the tackler and blocking. They're not biased against England. Feyi-Waboso tackle knocking the ball forward and England scrum called around the 22. People make mistakes the officials aren't out to get anyone.

Take a look at the Mitchell 'knock-on' under their posts - Ireland knocked that on, possibly deliberate = PT and YC

Was an Ireland knock on. Definitely just a knock on though neither a yellow a pen or a pen try.

He slapped the ball, didn't wrap the player ...

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:51 pm

Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Referee : Nika Amashukeli
Assistant Referee 1 : Andrea Piardi
Assistant Referee 2 : Craig Evans
TMO : Ben Whitehouse

Not much better tbh

Look back at England's try. Slade in front looking at the tackler and blocking. They're not biased against England. Feyi-Waboso tackle knocking the ball forward and England scrum called around the 22. People make mistakes the officials aren't out to get anyone.

Take a look at the Mitchell 'knock-on' under their posts - Ireland knocked that on, possibly deliberate = PT and YC

Was an Ireland knock on. Definitely just a knock on though neither a yellow a pen or a pen try.

He slapped the ball, didn't wrap the player ...

Well he didn't.

by carpet baboon Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:51 pm

Great score

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:51 pm

Nice try and finish that. Suspect the words from the Irish coaches will see them take advantage now.

by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:52 pm

Great try, thats better.

by carpet baboon Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:52 pm

England need to respond

by formerly known as Sam Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:53 pm

And that's where we miss Steward.

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:53 pm

Hi phantom!

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:54 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Heaf wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Referee : Nika Amashukeli
Assistant Referee 1 : Andrea Piardi
Assistant Referee 2 : Craig Evans
TMO : Ben Whitehouse

Not much better tbh

Look back at England's try. Slade in front looking at the tackler and blocking. They're not biased against England. Feyi-Waboso tackle knocking the ball forward and England scrum called around the 22. People make mistakes the officials aren't out to get anyone.

Take a look at the Mitchell 'knock-on' under their posts - Ireland knocked that on, possibly deliberate = PT and YC

Was an Ireland knock on. Definitely just a knock on though neither a yellow a pen or a pen try.

He slapped the ball, didn't wrap the player ...

Well he didn't.

Did too ...

by carpet baboon Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:54 pm

Great response

by mountain man Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:54 pm

Superb try.

by Cumbrian Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:54 pm

Excellent try! See what happens when you can catch the ball George?!

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:55 pm

Nice offloading. Maybe maybe Borthwick realises.

by carpet baboon Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:55 pm

Can I now claim the TMO is against Ireland for not flagging the foot in touch?

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:55 pm

Awful again from Ford.

by mountain man Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:55 pm

Slightly worried as England looking like a rugby team

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:56 pm

Not sure the ref is completely consistent in his ruck officiating ... doesn't seem to mind when Ireland are in the side

by Cumbrian Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:56 pm

Ford's kicking is going to cost us...

by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:56 pm

Some very nice passing

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:56 pm

carpet baboon wrote:Can I now claim the TMO is against Ireland for not flagging the foot in touch?

Go for it

by mountain man Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:57 pm

Get Smith on.

by Maine man Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:58 pm

England back 3 look good. Furbank has impressed me today

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:58 pm

Always said the 6 2 is an unnecessary risk.

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:58 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Ford's kicking is going to cost us...

7 points so far ...

by Maine man Sat 09 Mar 2024, 5:59 pm

6-2 split possibly biting Ireland in the ass

by doctor_grey Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:00 pm

Agree, time for Ford to come off. But until Smith M. comes on, Furbank should take the kicks at goal.

by mountain man Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:01 pm

Never a penalty. Feyi-Wasobo won that.

by Cumbrian Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:01 pm

That looks no different from the penalty that Ireland were awarded in the first half.

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:01 pm

Genge has been great today.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:02 pm

IFW getting pinged for less hands on the floor than Aki when he got the penalty for Ireland to kick 3. No wonder the ref got a chorus of boos.

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:02 pm

mountain man wrote:Never a penalty. Feyi-Wasobo won that.

No different to the Aki pen that went his way - the ruck officiating has been a bit asymmetric

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:03 pm

Man. Ford has been as pretty bad.

by mountain man Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:03 pm

Get Smith on.

by formerly known as Sam Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:04 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Man. Ford has been as pretty bad.

He's been very good ball in hand but awful off the boot.

Furbank and IFW challenging each other and then Furbank not calling mark causing all the trouble though. Weak in the backfield.

by Cumbrian Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:06 pm

That is incredibly cynical from Ireland.

by Heaf Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:06 pm

YC for sure there surely

by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Mar 2024, 6:07 pm

Nice decision. Need the tries.

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