Post Manny v Mosley discussion

First topic message reminder :

Made me long for the heady days of Hopkins/Calzaghe!!!

Off to bed, no further comment to make on that snore-fest except to say that Mayweather should sign to fight Manny IMMEDIATELY

HumanWindmill wrote:

King Beer wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

King Beer wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:The whole pally, touching gloves thing bugs me alot. Especially when the action is poor because it makes it look like an exhibition. I dont think its adviseable and personally I wonder if you can really box at your best when you are concerned with touching gloves and all that sort of carry on.

Especially after the KD. Your focus then should be on getting the other guy out of there.

Why was Mosley touching gloves and then appearing to talk trash to Manny?

The glove touching was pathetic it had the feeling of a sparring match about it. When was the trash talking?

If you wath the fight there's a few instances where Mosley starts talking at Manny, i can only assume it was trash talk.

I believe, ( if my lip reading skills are up to scratch, ) that they were discussing D4, KB.

Ahh yes, i've just emailed Nuts magazine and they have confirmed that at one point Mosley says...

"Yo, Manny, who's the dude in the crowd in a cheerleader outfit?"

Before shuffling around the ring. Excellent distraction tactics.

Scottrf wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

oxring wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

oxring wrote:What the hell was going on with Freddie Roach - the guy looked almost in tears at the start and then hardly said a word. That's a better question.

Yeah he didn't seem to have the level of input he normally does, definitely something going on there. Pacquiao definitely has the power in the relationship (turns up to train when he likes etc), wonder if something more has happened behind the scenes.

Bottom line for me - Manny loses Roach - Manny loses.

Great fighter - but they work great as a team.

Fighters are never the most perspicacious. I hope that he has the insight to realise that Koncz, Arum and the hangers on are just that - hangers on. There for the paydays not for his benefit.

Arum would flog Manny until he's dead. Manny has been getting most of the flak for Mosley - but it should all be aimed at Arum. This was Arum's experiment and Arum's fight and Arum's mess.

I don't agree entirely that Arum should get ALL the blame. Pacquiao has the choice to agree or disagree with Arum's choice of opponent. Are we to believe that Pacquiao, despite being the p4p #1 and biggest current draw in boxing, has ZERO say in who his opponents will be?

Agreed, a bit of both, but big pressure (and probably financial incentive) from Arum in who he fights.

Yeah, pretty much. Hard to ignore the financial side, but where Mayweather gets away with that because we know he's money oriented, Pacquiao plays the 'people's fighter' line, so it starts to sound a bit hollow.

Wow, just checked in on this thread. The anti-Manny stuff on here is hilarious. "Retire now Manny !!" . Seriously guys, just sit down for a second, take a deep breath, and calm down.

Pacman didn't look great, but he was fighting someone who didn't want to fight. He looked a little slower, but let's not all jump on the "Manny is shot slow done finished" bandwagon just yet. It was one fight, which he won easily.

Maybe Mayweather will find his stones after watching this fight. However, if Manny is going downhill and Mayweather it'll just back up everything the Mayweather haters have said, namely that Mayweather would only take the fight if he thought Pacquiao was on the slide.

BritnDub wrote:Wow, just checked in on this thread. The anti-Manny stuff on here is hilarious. "Retire now Manny !!" . Seriously guys, just sit down for a second, take a deep breath, and calm down.

Pacman didn't look great, but he was fighting someone who didn't want to fight. He looked a little slower, but let's not all jump on the "Manny is shot slow done finished" bandwagon just yet. It was one fight, which he won easily.

Maybe Mayweather will find his stones after watching this fight. However, if Manny is going downhill and Mayweather it'll just back up everything the Mayweather haters have said, namely that Mayweather would only take the fight if he thought Pacquiao was on the slide.

Strange that you would highlight the anti-manny sentiment then close your post with a dig at Mayweather (which has nothing to do with your point.)

If we are on the subject, from what I understand Roach went to Floyds fight with Shane, commented that Mayweather was flat footed and suggested the fight with Manny should be made. The point being that either party would love to catch the other on the slide (even slightly.) This is absolutely, blindingly obvious. But thanks for posting.

http://www.boxingscene.com/mosleys-cutman-on-foot-injury-during-pacquiao-fight--39024


Was Mosley's shoes to blame for his poor performance?

“These shoes he never tried before, he had a problem with the insole and his right foot started hurting like mad from the fourth round on. Skin came off on his foot and Shane was bleeding in the shoe.”

He should have had the correct shoes on an with the the tactics he was employing they should have been running shoes.

D4thincarnation wrote:http://www.boxingscene.com/mosleys-cutman-on-foot-injury-during-pacquiao-fight--39024


Was Mosley's shoes to blame for his poor performance?

“These shoes he never tried before, he had a problem with the insole and his right foot started hurting like mad from the fourth round on. Skin came off on his foot and Shane was bleeding in the shoe.”

He should have had the correct shoes on an with the the tactics he was employing they should have been running shoes.

Not a very good excuse is it. He should have tested the shoes in training. Sounds like Shane might fight again if he's making excuses.

Not really that surprising, if you ran a half marathon backwards in boxing boots your feet would be bleeding too.

As excuses go, it's up there with some of the late Sir Henry Cooper's dafter ones.

"Strange that you would highlight the anti-manny sentiment then close your post with a dig at Mayweather (which has nothing to do with your point.) " Joeyjojo618.
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Umm, I had a "dig" because I believe Mayweather has avoided this fight. And the dig relates to Mayweather taking the fight if he feels Manny is slowing down, which is COMPLETELY to do with my point. Namely, Pacman didn't look amazing, though he still won easily. He looked a little slower.
jesus, people are tetchy !! If you check one of the other threads I mention that I think Mayweather did better against Shane than Manny did, so I'm not anti Mayweather nutter. Calm down and think about what you're reading.

Just a few updates.

It looks like the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight was a huge success, the fight doing over 1.2m PPV buy, that figure could rise to 1.5m

Also Pacquiao, Mosley, Arce & Vazquez all came back with clean drug tests for steroids/diuretics/masking agents according the NSAC, that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list.

D4thincarnation wrote:Just a few updates.

It looks like the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight was a huge success, the fight doing over 1.2m PPV buy, that figure could rise to 1.5m

Also Pacquiao, Mosley, Arce & Vazquez all came back with clean drug tests for steroids/diuretics/masking agents according the NSAC, that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list.

That many people were ripped off ? I wonder how Arum can sleep at night.

Would be quite impressive if it breaks the Mayweather numbers despite Mosley being thought of as shot.

Dan Brown sells a lot of books

Even if not, looks like Showtime is back in business for boxing PPVs.

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Just a few updates.

It looks like the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight was a huge success, the fight doing over 1.2m PPV buy, that figure could rise to 1.5m

Also Pacquiao, Mosley, Arce & Vazquez all came back with clean drug tests for steroids/diuretics/masking agents according the NSAC, that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list.

That many people were ripped off ? I wonder how Arum can sleep at night.

Probably very comfortably in a $10,000 bed.

Scottrf wrote:Even if not, looks like Showtime is back in business for boxing PPVs.

Without appearing tooooo arguementative, they did give the 360 airtime on CBS (or whichever mainstream cable company is the parent company).....

Doubt they'll do that for every fight to be honest, give it the free coverage on it's big nationwide cable channel etc

Do enjoy their coverage though

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Just a few updates.

It looks like the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight was a huge success, the fight doing over 1.2m PPV buy, that figure could rise to 1.5m

Also Pacquiao, Mosley, Arce & Vazquez all came back with clean drug tests for steroids/diuretics/masking agents according the NSAC, that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list.

That many people were ripped off ? I wonder how Arum can sleep at night.

Probably very comfortably in a $10,000 bed.

Yes, you're probably right. The man clearly has no conscience.

coxy0001 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Even if not, looks like Showtime is back in business for boxing PPVs.

Without appearing tooooo arguementative, they did give the 360 airtime on CBS (or whichever mainstream cable company is the parent company).....

Doubt they'll do that for every fight to be honest, give it the free coverage on it's big nationwide cable channel etc

Do enjoy their coverage though

Well, it's part of the same vehicle, the PPV channel was Showtime.

Shows they can sell a big fight though, they were once a powerhouse and HBO have had a near monopoly for a while.

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

How could they test Mosley ? Wasn't he full of embalming fluid ?

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

Want me to produce the WADA code, which is implemented in the USA by USADA? Already shown you up on this once, and more than willing to do the same again.

And Marion Jones passed tests, didn't make her clean and she was tested round the clock and slipped the net.

Gotta think how fast she'd have been if she'd knew they were coming huh?

You seem to give him some sort of victory for passing a drugs test? One that only a complete special could get caught by as you'd have weeks to get what ever you've taken out of your system?

Bit silly that, anyway, home time.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

How could they test Mosley ? Wasn't he full of embalming fluid ?

You forget Windy, he was able to reincarnate himself and came back a young man again (Richardson performed Voodoo spells you see)

f they test Marquez, he will have about 20 litres of water in him (and 5 litres of urine)

Hobo wrote:f they test Marquez, he will have about 20 litres of water in him (and 5 litres of urine)

coxy0001 wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

How could they test Mosley ? Wasn't he full of embalming fluid ?

You forget Windy, he was able to reincarnate himself and came back a young man again (Richardson performed Voodoo spells you see)

Silly me, coxy.

He also read ' A Picture of Dorian Gray, ' of course.

HumanWindmill wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

How could they test Mosley ? Wasn't he full of embalming fluid ?

You forget Windy, he was able to reincarnate himself and came back a young man again (Richardson performed Voodoo spells you see)

Silly me, coxy.

He also read ' A Picture of Dorian Gray, ' of course.

As have I Windy, has had no discernable effect on me though. I am degenerating at an alarming rate, every morning brings a fresh ailment or body part that refuses to work as well as previously

rowley wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

How could they test Mosley ? Wasn't he full of embalming fluid ?

You forget Windy, he was able to reincarnate himself and came back a young man again (Richardson performed Voodoo spells you see)

Silly me, coxy.

He also read ' A Picture of Dorian Gray, ' of course.

As have I Windy, has had no discernable effect on me though. I am degenerating at an alarming rate, every morning brings a fresh ailment or body part that refuses to work as well as previously

I'm no doctor, jeff, but I have an idea that reading D4's posts will counteract the benefits of reading ' Dorian Gray.'

Just a thought.

rowley wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

How could they test Mosley ? Wasn't he full of embalming fluid ?

You forget Windy, he was able to reincarnate himself and came back a young man again (Richardson performed Voodoo spells you see)

Silly me, coxy.

He also read ' A Picture of Dorian Gray, ' of course.

As have I Windy, has had no discernable effect on me though. I am degenerating at an alarming rate, every morning brings a fresh ailment or body part that refuses to work as well as previously

Divorce your wife and start seeing Bella Gonzalez, it work for Shane it could work for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojlymLKWmmU

Shane was an old man, was rusty and was gassing out last year but he has been revitalised and back to his best.

So a divorce joins a 12 month ban and a laboured win over a journey man on the ever expanding list of things which all contribute to make the perfect preparation for a fight. Everyday is a school day as they say.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Just a few updates.

It looks like the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight was a huge success, the fight doing over 1.2m PPV buy, that figure could rise to 1.5m

Also Pacquiao, Mosley, Arce & Vazquez all came back with clean drug tests for steroids/diuretics/masking agents according the NSAC, that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list.

That many people were ripped off ? I wonder how Arum can sleep at night.

In a solid gold bed, on a mattress stuffed with $100 bills..?

BALTIMORA wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Just a few updates.

It looks like the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight was a huge success, the fight doing over 1.2m PPV buy, that figure could rise to 1.5m

Also Pacquiao, Mosley, Arce & Vazquez all came back with clean drug tests for steroids/diuretics/masking agents according the NSAC, that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list.

That many people were ripped off ? I wonder how Arum can sleep at night.

In a solid gold bed, on a mattress stuffed with $100 bills..?

I guess so, BALTI. Tex Cobb probably wasn't far adrift in his opinions of Arum.

rowley wrote:So a divorce joins a 12 month ban and a laboured win over a journey man on the ever expanding list of things which all contribute to make the perfect preparation for a fight. Everyday is a school day as they say.

Shouldn't that be '...a school RUN day'?

D4thincarnation wrote:

rowley wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

that do WADA standard tests and use the WADA prohibited list

Apart from they don't take blood at random intervals do they.

Kinda defeats the object of testing for drugs when you know when you're getting tested.

Stop lying D4

They were clean when they fought, the tests prove it.

How could they test Mosley ? Wasn't he full of embalming fluid ?

You forget Windy, he was able to reincarnate himself and came back a young man again (Richardson performed Voodoo spells you see)

Silly me, coxy.

He also read ' A Picture of Dorian Gray, ' of course.

As have I Windy, has had no discernable effect on me though. I am degenerating at an alarming rate, every morning brings a fresh ailment or body part that refuses to work as well as previously

Divorce your wife and start seeing Bella Gonzalez, it work for Shane it could work for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojlymLKWmmU

Shane was an old man, was rusty and was gassing out last year but he has been revitalised and back to his best.

Truly d4 - you come out with some exceptional banter at times.

Anyway - the way that Manny looked fighting Shane he needs to try Bella over Jinkee.

Did you see the Hilton sisters with Pacquiao, they both went back with Pacquiao and his wife for dinner.

D4thincarnation wrote:Did you see the Hilton sisters with Pacquiao, they both went back with Pacquiao and his wife for dinner.

http://www.truelad.com/

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eCxj3fycmQ4/TcePcx1i6cI/AAAAAAAAlUY/UO0bHyoq478/s1600/paris%2Bhilton%2Band%2Bmanny%2Bpacquiao%2Bphoto.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-By-bUCEM-98/TceQQ1usb9I/AAAAAAAAlUg/8grM8_w7H6A/s400/paris%2Bhilton%2Bmanny%2Bpacquiao%2Bjinkee.jpg

Your saying associating with her is a good thing?

The Mighty Atom wrote:Your saying associating with her is a good thing?

No associating with Pacquiao is a good thing, he will be a good influence on her.

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Your saying associating with her is a good thing?

No associating with Pacquiao is a good thing, he will be a good influence on her.

http://www.jullbar.com/2011/05/manny-pacquiao-and-paris-hilton-as-business-partners/

Paris Hilton, a self-confessed fan of Pacman tweeted that she got to “hang out” with Filipino boxer and his “beautiful wife” Jinkee after the pound-for-pound champ defeated Shane Mosley in Las Vegas yesterday.




“Wow! Such an honor to be brought on stage by Manny & his wife Jinkee after the fight. Can’t wait to visit them when I go to the Phillippines.”

She later posted, “I’m so excited for my trip to the Philippines. I am really looking forward to my newest business endeavor” with a link to an article that mentioned rumors of a Paris Hilton Beach Club being opened in the country.

Seems like they are going to be business partners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB0Qb2huojg&feature=player_embedded

Great interview with Chop Chop or his views on Mosley vs Pacquiao.

Corely say he has heard that Mosley has said that Pacquiao hit harder than any fighter he has fought before.

Corley says Floyd don't won't any part of Manny Pacquiao and thats why the fight hasn't happened

What do people make of these statements from Chop Chop.

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Your saying associating with her is a good thing?

No associating with Pacquiao is a good thing, he will be a good influence on her.

LMAO!

Well - actually - I suppose it is Paris Hilton. Anyone would be a good influence.

D4thincarnation wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB0Qb2huojg&feature=player_embedded

Great interview with Chop Chop or his views on Mosley vs Pacquiao.

Corely say he has heard that Mosley has said that Pacquiao hit harder than any fighter he has fought before.

Corley says Floyd don't won't any part of Manny Pacquiao and thats why the fight hasn't happened

What do people make of these statements from Chop Chop.

Couldn't give two monkeys D4 to be honest, i could go and find you umpteen quotes about how Manny don't want Floyd hence the whole stubborness over random testing with no cut-off. But you'd then get all defensive and say "they not true, Manny want fight weal badry"....

Works both ways lil lad

Both are to blame whether you and your legion of fellow nuthuggers like it or not

coxy0001 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB0Qb2huojg&feature=player_embedded

Great interview with Chop Chop or his views on Mosley vs Pacquiao.

Corely say he has heard that Mosley has said that Pacquiao hit harder than any fighter he has fought before.

Corley says Floyd don't won't any part of Manny Pacquiao and thats why the fight hasn't happened

What do people make of these statements from Chop Chop.

Couldn't give two monkeys D4 to be honest, i could go and find you umpteen quotes about how Manny don't want Floyd hence the whole stubborness over random testing with no cut-off. But you'd then get all defensive and say "they not true, Manny want fight weal badry"....

Works both ways lil lad

Both are to blame whether you and your legion of fellow nuthuggers like it or not

All the boxers, and trainers seem to thing that Mayweather doesn't want it.

rowley wrote:So a divorce joins a 12 month ban and a laboured win over a journey man on the ever expanding list of things which all contribute to make the perfect preparation for a fight. Everyday is a school day as they say.

Mosley was weight drained. Ms Gonzalez obviously drained him of all his fluids. Not enough time to rehydrate.

Seems more like 50/50 to me.

BritnDub wrote:"Strange that you would highlight the anti-manny sentiment then close your post with a dig at Mayweather (which has nothing to do with your point.) " Joeyjojo618.
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Umm, I had a "dig" because I believe Mayweather has avoided this fight. And the dig relates to Mayweather taking the fight if he feels Manny is slowing down, which is COMPLETELY to do with my point. Namely, Pacman didn't look amazing, though he still won easily. He looked a little slower.
jesus, people are tetchy !! If you check one of the other threads I mention that I think Mayweather did better against Shane than Manny did, so I'm not anti Mayweather nutter. Calm down and think about what you're reading.

Sorry Britndub, it just really, really winds me up when people come on here and say professional boxers should "grow a pair." Whenever this happens I just picture some spotty herbert spouting off behind the safety of their keyboard, having never been near a ring but feeling its ok to ridicule the courage of those that do (not saying you necessarily, just probably ) Anyway your point is that you think Mayweather ducked Pacman which is justifiable opinion (although I dont agree, and its not worth discussing again anyway.) Just the wording of your post that irritated me.

http://fighthype.com/pages/content9928.html

I Never Fought Nobody That Hits Like That Never

Mosley say he remember going back to his corner at the end of round 3 and then looks up and see the ring girl carrying the round 6 card.

He just blanked out.

D4thincarnation wrote:http://fighthype.com/pages/content9928.html

I Never Fought Nobody That Hits Like That Never

Mosley say he remember going back to his corner at the end of round 3 and then looks up and see the ring girl carrying the round 6 card.

He just blanked out.

That'll be the senile dementia setting in.