Aviva Prem fixtures announced today - Pro12 to follow suit?

by Chunky Norwich Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:43 am

First topic message reminder :

Aviva Premiership fixtures announced today. Great for the fans to be aware of when and where their teams will play.

Lets see how far the pro12 are behind in releasing theirs.

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:29 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:https://www.duedil.com/company/IE406400/celtic-rugby-limited/people

No idea on the nationalities but 15 current directors and one company secretary on first two pages there.

John Hussey
Phillip Brown
Conor O'Brien
Tina Robertson
John Feehan
Christine Connolly
Ross Broomfield
Garrett Fitzgerald

are all Irish Directors of Celtic rugby.

Unbelievable.

A league run FOR the irish BY the irish.

You do realise that these directors are also directors of the Lions and 6 Nations and considering the last 2 years have been an anomaly in the 6N and the last tour was mostly Welsh they don't seem to have grasped the need to expand their conspiracy

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:30 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
you don't know who negotiated the deal

Yes I do. It was Celtic Rugby Ltd. Which is a company laden with the Union blazers who obviously look out for Union run teams.

Really? And this was done without the regions being involved?

Of course it was. It was between the tv companies and Celtic Rugby Ltd, that wonderful Irish based organisation.

Wheres your proof of this?

Proof? It's in the public domain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22390889
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/sky-sports-signs-deal-show-3316079

Celtic rugby has 14 Directors.
8 of them are Irish

Its unbelivable.

Celtic Rugby has 16 Directors - 3 of them are Welsh (Roger Lewis, Mark Davies, Gerald Davies, Chairman).

To avail of the TAX EXEMPTION a majority of the board have to be resident in ROI. Thats why the 6Ns Board is stuffed with 6Ns/B&I staff members.

PS - there is an Englishman on the board as well! Shocked

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:32 pm

Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
you don't know who negotiated the deal

Yes I do. It was Celtic Rugby Ltd. Which is a company laden with the Union blazers who obviously look out for Union run teams.

Really? And this was done without the regions being involved?

Of course it was. It was between the tv companies and Celtic Rugby Ltd, that wonderful Irish based organisation.

Wheres your proof of this?

Proof? It's in the public domain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22390889
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/sky-sports-signs-deal-show-3316079

Celtic rugby has 14 Directors.
8 of them are Irish

Its unbelivable.

Celtic Rugby has 16 Directors - 3 of them are Welsh (Roger Lewis, Mark Davies, Gerald Davies, Chairman).

To avail of the TAX EXEMPTION a majority of the board have to be resident in ROI. Thats why the 6Ns Board is stuffed with 6Ns/B&I staff members.

PS - there is an Englishman on the board as well!

How convenient.

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:34 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
you don't know who negotiated the deal

Yes I do. It was Celtic Rugby Ltd. Which is a company laden with the Union blazers who obviously look out for Union run teams.

Really? And this was done without the regions being involved?

Of course it was. It was between the tv companies and Celtic Rugby Ltd, that wonderful Irish based organisation.

Wheres your proof of this?

Proof? It's in the public domain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22390889
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/sky-sports-signs-deal-show-3316079

Celtic rugby has 14 Directors.
8 of them are Irish

Its unbelivable.

Celtic Rugby has 16 Directors - 3 of them are Welsh (Roger Lewis, Mark Davies, Gerald Davies, Chairman).

To avail of the TAX EXEMPTION a majority of the board have to be resident in ROI. Thats why the 6Ns Board is stuffed with 6Ns/B&I staff members.

PS - there is an Englishman on the board as well!

How convenient.

Nothing convenient about us Irish financially propping up the Pro12 with tax exemptions and all we hear is whinging and moaning from Wales. Its a miracle that anyone wants to have anything to do with the league considering the toxic contribution that comes out of Wales.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:35 pm

Sin é wrote:
Nothing convenient about us Irish financially propping up the Pro12 with tax exemptions and all we hear is whinging and moaning from Wales. Its a miracle that anyone wants to have anything to do with the league considering the toxic contribution that comes out of Wales.

As you know, I'd quite gladly take that burden off you.

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:36 pm

Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
you don't know who negotiated the deal

Yes I do. It was Celtic Rugby Ltd. Which is a company laden with the Union blazers who obviously look out for Union run teams.

Really? And this was done without the regions being involved?

Of course it was. It was between the tv companies and Celtic Rugby Ltd, that wonderful Irish based organisation.

Wheres your proof of this?

Proof? It's in the public domain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22390889
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/sky-sports-signs-deal-show-3316079

Celtic rugby has 14 Directors.
8 of them are Irish

Its unbelivable.

Sin you've blown it now, the truth is that extra money sved on tax was being paid to Welsh players to go play outside of Wales

Celtic Rugby has 16 Directors - 3 of them are Welsh (Roger Lewis, Mark Davies, Gerald Davies, Chairman).

To avail of the TAX EXEMPTION a majority of the board have to be resident in ROI. Thats why the 6Ns Board is stuffed with 6Ns/B&I staff members.

PS - there is an Englishman on the board as well!

How convenient.

Nothing convenient about us Irish financially propping up the Pro12 with tax exemptions and all we hear is whinging and moaning from Wales. Its a miracle that anyone wants to have anything to do with the league considering the toxic contribution that comes out of Wales.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:36 pm

And then Welsh rugby dies.

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:38 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Nothing convenient about us Irish financially propping up the Pro12 with tax exemptions and all we hear is whinging and moaning from Wales. Its a miracle that anyone wants to have anything to do with the league considering the toxic contribution that comes out of Wales.

As you know, I'd quite gladly take that burden off you.

Maybe sort out the mess that is Welsh rugby before taking that one on.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:39 pm

Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Nothing convenient about us Irish financially propping up the Pro12 with tax exemptions and all we hear is whinging and moaning from Wales. Its a miracle that anyone wants to have anything to do with the league considering the toxic contribution that comes out of Wales.

As you know, I'd quite gladly take that burden off you.

Maybe sort out the mess that is Welsh rugby before taking that one on.

What mess is that?

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:42 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Nothing convenient about us Irish financially propping up the Pro12 with tax exemptions and all we hear is whinging and moaning from Wales. Its a miracle that anyone wants to have anything to do with the league considering the toxic contribution that comes out of Wales.

As you know, I'd quite gladly take that burden off you.

Maybe sort out the mess that is Welsh rugby before taking that one on.

What mess is that?

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:44 pm

Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:47 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

A bit of the devil and the deep blue sea then as there's nothing else which would bring you anywhere near the Pro 12.

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:48 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/big-welsh-rugby-regional-crowds-8278799

Found this little survey done last year by that well known Irish publication Wales Online, not exactly scientific but seems the biggest obstacle for the regions is a 'lack of affinity' for them and kick times had little impact but the perception of the product does play part something that has been acknowledged by....well everybody

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:48 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

A bit of the devil and the deep blue sea then as there's nothing else which would bring you anywhere near the Pro 12.

Not yet. It'll happen.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:49 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/big-welsh-rugby-regional-crowds-8278799

Found this little survey done last year by that well known Irish publication Wales Online, not exactly scientific but seems the biggest obstacle for the regions is a 'lack of affinity' for them and kick times had little impact but the perception of the product does play part something that has been acknowledged by....well everybody

God bless that publication.

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:52 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/big-welsh-rugby-regional-crowds-8278799

Found this little survey done last year by that well known Irish publication Wales Online, not exactly scientific but seems the biggest obstacle for the regions is a 'lack of affinity' for them and kick times had little impact but the perception of the product does play part something that has been acknowledged by....well everybody

God bless that publication.

Considering it dispels two of your conspiracy theories its a godsend

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:56 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/big-welsh-rugby-regional-crowds-8278799

Found this little survey done last year by that well known Irish publication Wales Online, not exactly scientific but seems the biggest obstacle for the regions is a 'lack of affinity' for them and kick times had little impact but the perception of the product does play part something that has been acknowledged by....well everybody

God bless that publication.

Considering it dispels two of your conspiracy theories its a godsend

It dispels the grand total of naff all.

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:59 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/big-welsh-rugby-regional-crowds-8278799

Found this little survey done last year by that well known Irish publication Wales Online, not exactly scientific but seems the biggest obstacle for the regions is a 'lack of affinity' for them and kick times had little impact but the perception of the product does play part something that has been acknowledged by....well everybody

God bless that publication.

Considering it dispels two of your conspiracy theories its a godsend

It dispels the grand total of naff all.

Well you say kick off times are the problem and the WRU have done nothing to hamper them yet here are Welsh fans saying the regions set up by the WRU don't appeal to them and that kick off times have little affect on their attendance so it has greater weight than 8 Irish directors for a an Irish based company equals automatic conspiracy

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:06 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/big-welsh-rugby-regional-crowds-8278799

Found this little survey done last year by that well known Irish publication Wales Online, not exactly scientific but seems the biggest obstacle for the regions is a 'lack of affinity' for them and kick times had little impact but the perception of the product does play part something that has been acknowledged by....well everybody

God bless that publication.

Considering it dispels two of your conspiracy theories its a godsend

It dispels the grand total of naff all.

Well you say kick off times are the problem and the WRU have done nothing to hamper them yet here are Welsh fans saying the regions set up by the WRU don't appeal to them and that kick off times have little affect on their attendance so it has greater weight than 8 Irish directors for a an Irish based company equals automatic conspiracy

So a few hundred disenfranchised Western Mail readers say something, and you hang on every word of it?

I think deep inside you know the pro12 is run for the irish by the irish. You just don't want to admit it.

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:12 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:

Poorly supported regions that are financially challenged.

But part of the reason is the competition they play in. Not the WRUs fault that the league is such a bad product.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/big-welsh-rugby-regional-crowds-8278799

Found this little survey done last year by that well known Irish publication Wales Online, not exactly scientific but seems the biggest obstacle for the regions is a 'lack of affinity' for them and kick times had little impact but the perception of the product does play part something that has been acknowledged by....well everybody

God bless that publication.

Considering it dispels two of your conspiracy theories its a godsend

It dispels the grand total of naff all.

Well you say kick off times are the problem and the WRU have done nothing to hamper them yet here are Welsh fans saying the regions set up by the WRU don't appeal to them and that kick off times have little affect on their attendance so it has greater weight than 8 Irish directors for a an Irish based company equals automatic conspiracy

So a few hundred disenfranchised Western Mail readers say something, and you hang on every word of it?

I think deep inside you know the pro12 is run for the irish by the irish. You just don't want to admit it.

So are you saying the Lions and 6Ns are too since they are run by the Irish too?

A few hundred fans giving their opinions hold more weight than you inane, loosely bound conspiracies based on kick off times you don't like, the lack of success for the regions, a higher number of Irish directors and have I missed anything out?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:20 pm

marty2086 wrote:

So are you saying the Lions and 6Ns are too since they are run by the Irish too?

The Lions? That's one team isn't it, so even the Irish wouldn't be stupid enough to put themselves at a disadvantage. I have no idea about the 6N directorships.

A few hundred fans giving their opinions hold more weight than you inane, loosely bound conspiracies based on kick off times you don't like, the lack of success for the regions, a higher number of Irish directors and have I missed anything out?

It's the real reason. You don't like it, but it's real.

With the impending doom that BBC Wales and s4c face, there may be scope for a forced change in the tv deal. Clutching at straws a bit there though.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:23 pm

marty2086 wrote:

So are you saying the Lions and 6Ns are too since they are run by the Irish too?

Looking at the 6Nations, just 2 out of 9 Directors are Irish, so that rather blows your nosnesne apart.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:23 pm

What's an actual solution then. Cards on the table. B&I will never happen unless the Aviva Prem goes kablooie and then we're all up thecreek anyway. Ways to improve the Pro 12 and what the ideal outcome would be.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:29 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:What's an actual solution then. Cards on the table. B&I will never happen unless the Aviva Prem goes kablooie and then we're all up thecreek anyway. Ways to improve the Pro 12 and what the ideal outcome would be.

The B&I needs to happen to move domestic rugby on to the level it should be. The pro12 is unworkable due to the parameters invovled. There will always be imbalances in it.

by Guest Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:33 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:https://www.duedil.com/company/IE406400/celtic-rugby-limited/people

No idea on the nationalities but 15 current directors and one company secretary on first two pages there.

John Hussey
Phillip Brown
Conor O'Brien
Tina Robertson
John Feehan
Christine Connolly
Ross Broomfield
Garrett Fitzgerald

are all Irish Directors of Celtic rugby.

Unbelievable.

A league run FOR the irish BY the irish.

Tina Robertson is Finance Director for 6N's, but not sure if she is Irish.

Ross Broomfield had a university education in England, supported England when they played against Ireland 22 Feb' 2014:

Ross Broomfield ‏@rrjb 21 Feb 2014
Will be cheering @EnglandRugby on from Dublin tomorrow. May or may not be in work on Monday morning... #CarryThemHome https://youtu.be/7TMIFB-Ejes (England v Ireland)

...but still suppose he could be Irish.....

As for John Hussey:

"Andy Irvine, one of Scotland’s greatest players and a past president of the Scottish Rugby Union, has been appointed as the first independent chairman of Celtic Rugby, it was announced in Cardiff today.

Irvine, who also toured with the British Lions on three occasions, and is current chairman of the British and Irish Lions Committee, will replace the Irish Rugby Union’s John Hussey in time for the start of this season’s newly expanded Magners League...."

This bit should interest you!!!!!!!:

......In addition to the appointment of Andy Irvine as a non-voting chairman at the head of an eight-man board of directors, John Feehan has been appointed Chief Executive of Celtic Rugby following the re-structuring of the Magners League organisation."

PRO12 EIGHT VOTING DIRECTORS

So, it appears not all your listed eight are all Irish and do not all have voting rights, and that the board of eight directors is made up of two representing each of the four unions, with one Welsh chairman.

Enough with your conspiracy nonsense.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:33 pm

My hope is that now Gerlad Davies is chairman he can make some noises, and also with the arrival of a new WRU CEO, presumably he will replace Roger Lewis as a Director of the pro12, and therefore the regions will actually have a couple more people on the board who want them to do well. Whether their vocies get outvoted by the 8 Irish in the room is another matter entirely.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:35 pm

That was 5 years ago Munchkin

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:35 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

So are you saying the Lions and 6Ns are too since they are run by the Irish too?

Looking at the 6Nations, just 2 out of 9 Directors are Irish, so that rather blows your nosnesne apart.

The 6Ns don't have to deal with the Welsh Regions though (or English or French clubs) who try and destroy everything.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:36 pm

There's always an inaccurate excuse isn't there. The final in Ireland, the corrupt TMOs, the corrupt board of directors, the kick off times.

Everything is just a crazy conspiracy isn't it.

by No 7&1/2 Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:37 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:What's an actual solution then. Cards on the table. B&I will never happen unless the Aviva Prem goes kablooie and then we're all up thecreek anyway. Ways to improve the Pro 12 and what the ideal outcome would be.

The B&I needs to happen to move domestic rugby on to the level it should be. The pro12 is unworkable due to the parameters invovled. There will always be imbalances in it.

But won't happen unless the Prem has serious troubles, so what is the solution?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:38 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:What's an actual solution then. Cards on the table. B&I will never happen unless the Aviva Prem goes kablooie and then we're all up thecreek anyway. Ways to improve the Pro 12 and what the ideal outcome would be.

The B&I needs to happen to move domestic rugby on to the level it should be. The pro12 is unworkable due to the parameters invovled. There will always be imbalances in it.

But won't happen unless the Prem has serious troubles, so what is the solution?

I don't agree. We've been through this, so no point doing it again.

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:38 pm

There is a cross over in directorships between the three organisations, if those conspiring for the Irish in the Pro12 are on other boards why aren't they conspiring for greater Irish representation for the Lions? This increases the profiles of Irish players and the overall marketability of the brand

6 Nations Operations Team

Chief Executive: John Feehan
Tournament & Operations Director: Jon Davis
Head of Commercial, Brand & Marketing: Dave Kavanagh
Commercial Executive: Faye O'Riordan
Finance Director: Tina Robertson
Operations Executive: Belinda Armstrong
Finance & Operations Assistant: Eileen Mulvany

The same CEO and the essentially they are the same company. Even though you may consider me an idiot I am fully aware that a directorship does not equal an input into the running of the company and people are regularly named on boards because of skills and connections they may offer.

You say the Irish wouldn't be putting themselves at a disadvantage yet by crippling the Welsh regions they'd be doing that but if they are playing weakened opposition, this damages brand Pro12 meaning its less marketable and less money coming in for everyone or is this marketing and business concept too complex for you?

by No 7&1/2 Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:39 pm

Put it another way then, if the B&I doesn't happen what's the solution?

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:39 pm

Why are the regions so quiet on this if its all so real?

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:43 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:That was 5 years ago Munchkin

Gerald Davies was just appointed. They haven't changed this:

The structure of the new organisation will include a Board of eight voting members (two from each participating Union) plus the CEO, Tournament Director and the Finance Director in a non-voting capacity. The Board will also have a non-voting Chairman to ensure that overall the well-being of the competition remains the primary focus.

edit: Tina Robinson is a director of both Six Nations & Pro12. She is the Finance Director (and according to this does not have a vote).

by Guest Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:45 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:That was 5 years ago Munchkin

You completely miss the point, Chunky. Deliberately?

The point being that it is an eight-man board of directors, fact that is also supported by wiki, that the board of directors is made up of two directors representing each of the four unions involved - two Welsh - two Scots - two Italians - two Irish. That the eight directors you posted are not likely to be all Irish and that they do not all have voting rights.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:47 pm

marty2086 wrote:Why are the regions so quiet on this if its all so real?

They have previosuly, publically questioned :

- distributions of broadcasting money to Union owned teams in Scotland and Italy.
-TV revenues for domestic competitons not being enough
- the estimated contribution from Irish and Scottish TV.

And they have called for an independent enquiry in to the broadcasting and competition revenues.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:50 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:That was 5 years ago Munchkin

You completely miss the point, Chunky. Deliberately?

The point being that it is an eight-man board of directors, fact that is also supported by wiki, that the board of directors is made up of two directors representing each of the four unions involved - two Welsh - two Scots - two Italians - two Irish. That the eight directors you posted are not likely to be all Irish and that they do not all have voting rights.

But they are running the competition. The Irish run it. For the Irish. You are the one missing the point.

Here's a question, please answer it - If the competition suddenly announced a restructure, and moved to Cardiff, with 8 Welsh Directors instead, do you think we'd see a difference in things like tv broadcast deals and fixture times?

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:50 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Why are the regions so quiet on this if its all so real?

They have previosuly, publically questioned :

- distributions of broadcasting money to Union owned teams in Scotland and Italy.
-TV revenues for domestic competitons not being enough
- the estimated contribution from Irish and Scottish TV.

And they have called for an independent enquiry in to the broadcasting and competition revenues.

Mark Davies would have all of this information as a Director of the Board. Why doesn't he publish it if there is some issue about the distribution of funds from broadcasting.

by Guest Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:52 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Why are the regions so quiet on this if its all so real?

They have previosuly, publically questioned :

- distributions of broadcasting money to Union owned teams in Scotland and Italy.
-TV revenues for domestic competitons not being enough
- the estimated contribution from Irish and Scottish TV.

And they have called for an independent enquiry in to the broadcasting and competition revenues.

Was it RRW who questioned the TV money, or was it the Pieman? I seem to remember it was the Pieman in a rant during the RRW/WRU spat.
I could also question his claim about broadcasting revenue as the Regions, I believe, receive most of their own broadcasting revenue. The WRU accounts on competition monies received seem to strongly suggest as much.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:53 pm

Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Why are the regions so quiet on this if its all so real?

They have previosuly, publically questioned :

- distributions of broadcasting money to Union owned teams in Scotland and Italy.
-TV revenues for domestic competitons not being enough
- the estimated contribution from Irish and Scottish TV.

And they have called for an independent enquiry in to the broadcasting and competition revenues.

Mark Davies would have all of this information as a Director of the Board. Why doesn't he publish it if there is some issue about the distribution of funds from broadcasting.

I would guess he's waiting for the new CEO to bed in first tos ee if they can actually change things. Publishing private information is hardly going to help his career.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:54 pm

Munchkin wrote:

Was it RRW who questioned the TV money, or was it the Pieman? I seem to remember it was the Pieman in a rant during the RRW/WRU spat.

RRW

I could also question his claim about broadcasting revenue as the Regions, I believe, receive most of their own broadcasting revenue. The WRU accounts on competition monies received seem to strongly suggest as much.

So you're calling the regions liars now too?

by marty2086 Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:55 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Why are the regions so quiet on this if its all so real?

They have previosuly, publically questioned :

- distributions of broadcasting money to Union owned teams in Scotland and Italy.
-TV revenues for domestic competitons not being enough
- the estimated contribution from Irish and Scottish TV.

And they have called for an independent enquiry in to the broadcasting and competition revenues.

Ok lets try this again, when have the Welsh regions complained about an Irish conspiracy? If this is all so obvious why aren't there Welsh journalists working to expose this or are you the only one smart enough to unravel it all?

What you have provided is complaints about money that is raised and something that affects all teams not just the Welsh

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:56 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Why are the regions so quiet on this if its all so real?

They have previosuly, publically questioned :

- distributions of broadcasting money to Union owned teams in Scotland and Italy.
-TV revenues for domestic competitons not being enough
- the estimated contribution from Irish and Scottish TV.

And they have called for an independent enquiry in to the broadcasting and competition revenues.

Mark Davies would have all of this information as a Director of the Board. Why doesn't he publish it if there is some issue about the distribution of funds from broadcasting.

I would guess he's waiting for the new CEO to bed in first tos ee if they can actually change things. Publishing private information is hardly going to help his career.

His career is the regions. Are you suggesting that it was all cowpat then and the Regions were just rabble rousing?

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:57 pm

Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Why are the regions so quiet on this if its all so real?

They have previosuly, publically questioned :

- distributions of broadcasting money to Union owned teams in Scotland and Italy.
-TV revenues for domestic competitons not being enough
- the estimated contribution from Irish and Scottish TV.

And they have called for an independent enquiry in to the broadcasting and competition revenues.

Mark Davies would have all of this information as a Director of the Board. Why doesn't he publish it if there is some issue about the distribution of funds from broadcasting.

I would guess he's waiting for the new CEO to bed in first tos ee if they can actually change things. Publishing private information is hardly going to help his career.

His career is the regions. Are you suggesting that it was all cowpat then and the Regions were just rabble rousing?

No. I'm suggesting going public would breach confidentiality and he'd be releived of duties. Hardly going to help matters is it?

by Guest Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:59 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:That was 5 years ago Munchkin

You completely miss the point, Chunky. Deliberately?

The point being that it is an eight-man board of directors, fact that is also supported by wiki, that the board of directors is made up of two directors representing each of the four unions involved - two Welsh - two Scots - two Italians - two Irish. That the eight directors you posted are not likely to be all Irish and that they do not all have voting rights.

But they are running the competition. The Irish run it. For the Irish. You are the one missing the point.

Here's a question, please answer it - If the competition suddenly announced a restructure, and moved to Cardiff, with 8 Welsh Directors instead, do you think we'd see a difference in things like tv broadcast deals and fixture times?

No they don't run the competition. This is a figment of your imagination. I do believe you actually believe this, but you are completely mistaken. The facts are there, Chunky. The competition is run by an eight-man board of directors with a chairman who happens to be Welsh.

Your question is ludicrous. The PRO12 is not ran by an eight man board consisting of eight Irish directors. It is ran by a board consisting of eight directors representing two from each nation. I couldn't care less if it moved to Wales as long as it made sense to move to Wales. It made sense to move to Ireland.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:59 pm

marty2086 wrote:

Ok lets try this again, when have the Welsh regions complained about an Irish conspiracy? If this is all so obvious why aren't there Welsh journalists working to expose this or are you the only one smart enough to unravel it all?

What you have provided is complaints about money that is raised and something that affects all teams not just the Welsh

I would think any feedback is given behind closed doors. I'm sure Mark Davies reports to the board on what the regions have to say about their ludicrous kick off times compared to their Irish counterparts.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:59 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:That was 5 years ago Munchkin

You completely miss the point, Chunky. Deliberately?

The point being that it is an eight-man board of directors, fact that is also supported by wiki, that the board of directors is made up of two directors representing each of the four unions involved - two Welsh - two Scots - two Italians - two Irish. That the eight directors you posted are not likely to be all Irish and that they do not all have voting rights.

But they are running the competition. The Irish run it. For the Irish. You are the one missing the point.

Here's a question, please answer it - If the competition suddenly announced a restructure, and moved to Cardiff, with 8 Welsh Directors instead, do you think we'd see a difference in things like tv broadcast deals and fixture times?

No they don't run the competition. This is a figment of your imagination. I do believe you actually believe this, but you are completely mistaken. The facts are there, Chunky. The competition is run by an eight-man board of directors with a chairman who happens to be Welsh.

Your question is ludicrous. The PRO12 is not ran by an eight man board consisting of eight Irish directors. It is ran by a board consisting of eight directors representing two from each nation. I couldn't care less if it moved to Wales as long as it made sense to move to Wales. It made sense to move to Ireland.

You didn't answer the question.

by Sin é Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:00 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:That was 5 years ago Munchkin

You completely miss the point, Chunky. Deliberately?

The point being that it is an eight-man board of directors, fact that is also supported by wiki, that the board of directors is made up of two directors representing each of the four unions involved - two Welsh - two Scots - two Italians - two Irish. That the eight directors you posted are not likely to be all Irish and that they do not all have voting rights.

But they are running the competition. The Irish run it. For the Irish. You are the one missing the point.

Here's a question, please answer it - If the competition suddenly announced a restructure, and moved to Cardiff, with 8 Welsh Directors instead, do you think we'd see a difference in things like tv broadcast deals and fixture times?

No.

Garret FitzGerald (Munster CEO) is the Irish Provinces rep on the Board of Celtic Rugby, yet Munster gets plenty of Friday night games which really don't suit Munster because of the distances involved and unlike the Welsh Regions, Munster actually do have supporters who will travel when they can.

by Chunky Norwich Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:02 pm

Munster didn't play a game on Sunday last year. You are taking the p1ss now.

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