Eng V Ireland Sunday 23rd Feb 2020

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3pm at Twickers.
Ref: Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France), Assistant 2: Alexandre Ruiz (France), TMO: Marius Jonker (South Africa)

England:: Daly; May, Tuilagi, Farrell (capt), Joseph; Ford, Youngs; Marler, George, Sinckler, Itoje, Kruis, Lawes, Underhill, Curry.

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Launchbury, Ewels, Earl, Heinz, Slade.




Ireland: Ireland: Larmour; Conway, Henshaw, Aki, Stockdale; Sexton, Murray; Healy, Herring, Furlong, Henderson, Ryan, O'Mahony, van der Flier, Stander.

Replacements: Kelleher, Kilcoyne, Porter, Toner, Doris, Cooney, Byrne, Earls.

Where's Kearny when you need him!

lol

Can't believe England have caught Ireland twice the same way ...

What are ireland thing in their back back field?!

Stockdale looked uninterested

Do we know what got Stander so worked up with Itoje? Or was he just angry after being flatened by Tuilagi

He and another defender were being held on the ground by Itoje, who managed to pull his shirt off

England just starting to give away a few daft pens ...

Heaf wrote:England just starting to give away a few daft pens ...

Yes but they are in the right places. The May one was a fine line between the penalty and genius

Do Ireland have an attacking ganeplan...?

Great play by England 14-0 so far.

lostinwales wrote:

Heaf wrote:England just starting to give away a few daft pens ...

Yes but they are in the right places. The May one was a fine line between the penalty and genius

Yes May's was fine - a toenail away from being perfect

Happy to say I was very wrong about this England selection so far.

Daly has been very good. JJ good on the wing even if some of his best work has been in turning up in the centre

Lawes good too

A lot of dirty cheap shot clearouts from Ireland.

No ones playing badly. Very good first half all round unless you're Ireland s defence coach.

No 7&1/2 wrote:No ones playing badly. Very good first half all round unless you're Ireland s defence coach.

Or attack coach. Every Irish attack has gone backwards

Well, well, well. Only comment from that half - time for Murray to be called in... just nothing there. He's had his chances to play himself back into top level International standard, and he isn't getting there.

Sinckler has to be carefull, he's doing a lot of shoving and slapping around the breakdown...

Ireland's gameplan is rather dul ball in hand, similar to how Wales persisted in giving the French rush defence targets to hit Ireland are losing 10 yards per play, offering no tie in to the tight and wider pack in defence

Sexton is not having a good day, England rush defence has him panicked, Ireland need to exploit the space behind the rush defence with more accurate kicks, their tactical kicking has been poor so far.

Old Man wrote:Sexton is not having a good day, England rush defence has him panicked, Ireland need to exploit the space behind the rush defence with more accurate kicks, their tactical kicking has been poor so far.

.... and that's a positive analysis

Is this the world cup? As we are playing like it is.
Slow ball being passed to people standing still. Poor kicking from 9 and 10.
Bring cooney on now and Doris. Give sexton ten minutes to sort himself out

Well what can I say. People saying Ireland playing poorly? They are but that is down to the intensity from England. England are by far the better team in every aspect of the game so far.

I would take Sexton, Murray and Stockdale off putting on Byrne, Cooney and Earls for a start.

Its also only a matter of time before Ireland get pinged for their collisions at the breakdown, some very late ones coming in.

carpet baboon wrote:Is this the world cup?  As we are playing like it is.
Slow ball being passed to people standing still. Poor kicking from 9 and 10.
Bring cooney on now and Doris. Give sexton ten minutes to sort himself out

Yep, the new generation - win or lose - must have the bulk of these games from here on in. Neither Murray nor Sexton nor a handful of others are the future. Farrell has given these guys a chance to turn 2019 form around....but even then, they're not the future. They've been well rumbled by the best sides.

eirebilly wrote:Well what can I say. People saying Ireland playing poorly? They are but that is down to the intensity from England. England are by far the better team in every aspect of the game so far.

I would take Sexton, Murray and Stockdale off putting on Byrne, Cooney and Earls for a start.

Its also only a matter of time before Ireland get pinged for their collisions at the breakdown, some very late ones coming in.

Ireland played their final against Wales

A complete performance by England in the first half. Untouchable when they produce it. Did it against Ireland last year, and against Australia (for sixty minutes) and New Zealand in the World Cup.

England putting them under pressure but Ireland need to move on from Murray and Sexton.

eirebilly wrote:Well what can I say. People saying Ireland playing poorly? They are but that is down to the intensity from England. England are by far the better team in every aspect of the game so far.

I would take Sexton, Murray and Stockdale off putting on Byrne, Cooney and Earls for a start.

Its also only a matter of time before Ireland get pinged for their collisions at the breakdown, some very late ones coming in.

England are just playing well. Not close to top gear for them. There was a time we'd be at least able to meet them for a fight in the middle. But there is absolutely no teeth in this Irish performance.

SecretFly wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Well what can I say. People saying Ireland playing poorly? They are but that is down to the intensity from England. England are by far the better team in every aspect of the game so far.

I would take Sexton, Murray and Stockdale off putting on Byrne, Cooney and Earls for a start.

Its also only a matter of time before Ireland get pinged for their collisions at the breakdown, some very late ones coming in.

England are just playing well.  Not close to top gear for them.  There was a time we'd be at least able to meet them for a fight in the middle.  But there is absolutely no teeth in this Irish performance.

That's because England came out with the Pliers and pulled the Irish teeth out in the fist 2 minutes...

No changes... At the very least I expected Cooney on for Murray...

I didn't see it Billy. I just saw Ireland as rabbits in headlights unecessarily so. England are very good. But not needing best form this time.

eirebilly wrote:No changes... At the very least I expected Cooney on for Murray...

Yup would be the sensible thing to do

England did very well originally there, but then also got lucky not to give away the pen.

Turned the maul touchline, then 3 English forward offside.

Story of Ireland's day, just getting out muscled

If, after 50mins or, England score next then changes must be made.

I would put CJ to 6 with POM off and Doris to 8
Cooney on for Murray
Earls on for Stockdale

Then maybe Byrne for Sexton

Silly from both CJ and Farrell

Not sure what Farrell was trying to argue there

Wow not even reversed. That should be at least a yellow to stander.

Farrell at fault originally, but odd he took zero action against Stander.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Wow not even reversed. That should be at least a yellow to stander.

Handled well I thought, both were stupid.

But incorrectly. You cant throw punches. Ireland and stander incredibly lucky.

Why would stander get penalised there? He was held, and was frantically trying to push Farrell off him...

Hahahaha punches? With a palm?

No 7&1/2 wrote:But incorrectly. You cant throw punches. Ireland and stander incredibly lucky.

They weren’t punches! He was open handed!

Yeah I didn't see any punches!

Farrell seemed to be trying to argue he was within his rights to hold onto him, which just isn't true...

Stander kept his hands open so was just slapping - didn't look great though

Farrell Snr must have really torn shreds off the lads at half time...

Threw 3 punches. Bizarre decision. And now 7 points when we should be half way down the pitch. I can only assume the south african tmo is living 40 years in the past.

England tur the ball over again.

So you can now punch the England Captain. Strange rule but we see how that plays out!

Stupid by Farrell anyway as England were just about to clear their lines - that ended up costing them 5 points

3 punches lol

You've never been punched!

Well taken try. Horrible conversion

Johnny Sexton's kicking at goal today is pathetic.